Raiders Acquire Carson Palmer

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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319146721' post='829368']
Ray Rice has the 2nd most yards from scrimmage in the last 3 years, ONLY behind CJ. So, again, you've stated just an opinion and put a guarantee behind it. Flacco has a low completion percentage this year, no doubt. Cannot dispute that. But, to bring up last years season for Palmer, is laughable considering the year he had. Granted, you, for some reason, are going off strictly total yards, the rest of his numbers were horrible. Here a little game for ya....take Palmer's attempts and see how many yards Mr Flacco would have had. Hint - its a lot more than Palmer [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] AND he threw only 1 less TD BUT half as many picks. Again, this isn't 2005/2006. NO EXCUSES ON THE INT PORTION - he averages something like 17/18 picks a year!
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If we are going straight off of total yards, then Ray Rice is on pace for 2,240 total yards while McFadden is on pace for 2,029. Just saying...

[Ravens Lover]

doesn't surprise me at all, Im surprised it didn't happen earlier

[Blex64]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319120602' post='829068']


Raiders don't need anything at WR. They have the fastest Wr corp maybe ever assembled. These guys aren't track stars but genuine football players with blazing speed. DHB 6'2 215 sub 4.3 (probably Raiders sixth best wr. Denarius moore 6'195 now that he has a Qb watch his numbers go way up. Jacoby Ford 5'9 185(might be the fastest Nfl player) , Chaz Schilens 6'4 225 4.38 (probably Raiders best overrall Wr who is made out of glass. Louis Murphy 6'2 200 - only downside is he does drop the easy one. D Hagan 6'2 215 Closest thing Raiders have to a possessin reciever

Throw in probably the best trio of running backs (Mcfadden , M Bush and taiwan Jones) All can run and catch the football with the best of them.

A unique weapon in FB Marcel reece- 6'3 245 4.41 who really a Wr playing FB


A Bevy of TEs K Boss 6'6 255(one of the best all round Tes. David Ausberry 6'4 245 4.47 and R Gordon 6'4 265 4.61 T Pryor with Carson Palmer the Qb he will probably get more looks at Wr or TE. Thats another 6'5 235 4.38 guy to play around with.

Last Point now throw in a young Oline that gets better every weeek.


If Carson Plamer is anywhere close tobeing Carson Palmer. You might be looking at one of the most explosive offenses inthe game.
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Carson Palmer has won, I believe, a whopping zero playoff games.

Zach miller was a better TE then anyone the raiders have currently.

Their receiving corps is a bunch of unproven speedsters who have yet to have any success in the nfl. Derrick mason is 37 and slow and better then anyone on their roster.

Palmer hasn't played football in forever, is learning a new playbook, and doesn't have any sort of rhythm with anyone on the team. Again, TO and TJ are both better then anyone they have, and they know Palmer. DMC is a monster but they won't get farther then the wild card round with the team they have now.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319146273' post='829364']


Again no Nfl guy would take Ray Rice over darren Mcfadden. Thats no slight against ray rice as I saw him alot playing in high schoool. Hes very good. http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?player1=MCF084974&player2=RIC154451&player3=null&player4=null&position=runningback&playerOne=Darren+McFadden&playerTwo=Ray+Rice&playerThree=Select+a+Player...&playerFour=Select+a+Player...[/quote]

Ray rice has the most total yards among rbs over the past 2 years. DMC is a monster...but right now AP and ray rice are a notch above the rest.


[quote]Joe Flacco completing 51% of his passes this year. I don't care how you try and spin that its horrible. [/quote]

It's obvious you just pulled up a stat sheet and looked for the worst thing you could find. It's bad...but flacco is not an inaccurate qb. He can also throw the ball longer then 20 yards.

[quote]Now on Carson Palmer interceptions. Yes by just going by stats he threw alot. The fact is his wr (TO and Chad Occhostinko) threw him under the bus. What do I mean. Your Qb expects you to run a certain route and throwing the football before you come out of your break. You change the pattern your running that Qb expects to be diffrent and the Qb not the Wr(who was at fault) looks like the bad guy. [/quote]

Are you really trying to say that TO and ochocinco were running poor routes, and not that carsons injured arm messed up his accuracy?

[quote]There is a reason Carson Palmer was dead set against ever playing for the Bengals. [/quote]

Because its an awful organization. But he's just trading one for the other at this point so....

[quote]This is the most explosive weapons C Palmer has ever played with.
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Most explosive is a clever way to say "al Davis liked to try an make track stars who can't catch into nfl wideouts"

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319144599' post='829347']
D MCfadden is the best rb in the game. The trio OF Mcfadden. M Bush and Taiwan Jones I wouldn't trade with anyone trio.

Qb your joking right- Flacco is not even in the same league as Carson Plamer(threw the sixth most yards last season) When can you ever say that about Flacco.

Raiders Oline is playing as well as any Oline in the game(only going to get better when Bruce campbell, and Joe Barksdale eventually join starting lineup. Raiders are the number 2 rushing team and have only given up 7 sacks all year(K Boller ran into two of them) With carson Palmer release alot faster than Jason Campbell those numbers are only going toget better.


Now with a real Qb behind center, Not only will Raiders show their Wr corp is faster but way better than the ravens.


Defense thats another story. Your defense is playing as well as any defense right now.
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There is so much stupidity in their I dont know where to start. Not saying your dumb but the keyboard on your computer is not doing you any favors. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/point.gif[/img]

[Raider9175]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319146721' post='829368']
Ray Rice has the 2nd most yards from scrimmage in the last 3 years, ONLY behind CJ. So, again, you've stated just an opinion and put a guarantee behind it. Flacco has a low completion percentage this year, no doubt. Cannot dispute that. But, to bring up last years season for Palmer, is laughable considering the year he had. Granted, you, for some reason, are going off strictly total yards, the rest of his numbers were horrible. Here a little game for ya....take Palmer's attempts and see how many yards Mr Flacco would have had. Hint - its a lot more than Palmer AND he threw only 1 less TD BUT half as many picks. Again, this isn't 2005/2006. NO EXCUSES ON THE INT PORTION - he averages something like 17/18 picks a year![/quote]


The Fact is Raiders offer D Mcfadden straight up for ray Rice. The Ravens couldn't agree fast enough. They be like Ray Rice who? There is nothing Ray Rice can do that D Mcfadden can't do better. Nothing.

NOw are we talking yards after catch. So the Bengals oldies at Wr last year and you really expect them to have alot of them. Jason Campbell who wasn't even as good as he was this year had 7.3 average. C Palmer will probably average closer to 8 yards per average with the raiders. Easy when you have a Darren Mcfadden, jacoby Ford that can take a short one and gop to the house(that adds to average reception big time. Not to mention all the speed Raiders have at WR. Jason Campbell was one of the worst deep passers .

[Raider9175]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319146978' post='829372']
Didnt feel like editing my post above, but you HONESTLY think what you have is more explosive than Chad Johnson in his prime, TJ Housh in his prime and Rudi Johnson stacking 1,500 yard seasons over and over (just to clarify, I am referring to the time from about 2004 - 2006)? McFadden is great, YES! But the rest? Really?[/quote]

Couple points Rudi Johnson versaus Mcfadden. No need to even debatethat because R Johnson couldn't hold Mcfadden jock strap. The Bengals Wr trio OF chad Johnson, TJ Housmandeh and Chris Henry was a scary good WR corp. That group right now would be better than Raiders Wr top three easy. (can't argue that)

But were not talking one Position but the depth of those weapons at alot more positions . Total offense weapons.

Here the point. RBs - Raiders trio with Mcfadden, Bush and Taiwan jones( fastest running back ever to wear a Raider uniform) Now throw in FB marcel Reece- no one has this unique weapon. Hes a 6'3 245 former Wr that playing FB. They have so many options here to hurt a defense.

Now Raiders Wr corp can't match that Bengal Trio . Raideres can't put out a three man that would rival that group now but this is such a young Wr corp that might in the future. (these guys are only going to get better now that they have a qb) Raideers Wr while not as good as that group probably are more explosive than that Bengal group. All Raiders Wr corps can fly( alot of guys with sub 4.3 speed and 4.3 something speed. Its a much deeper Wr corp. Those Bengals Wr were in their prime(thats as good as they are going toget) Raiders Wr corp are just kids just stratching the surface how good they will become.

Tes- who was the Bengals Te that im forgetting. Raiders TE corp going tobe real dangerous group. You have Kevin Boss (one of the better two way Tes in the game. Richard Gordon 6'4 265 4.64 a beast of blocker but raw reciever. David Ausberry 6'4 247 4.47 Former Wr has just have to work on his blocking. Now that Pryor isn't going to be playing Qb for next couple years. He a 6'5 235 4.38 weapon they can utilize at TE.

Raiders do have alot more weapons than the Benglas had. Every defense knew where the bengals would be attacking them. (three wr corps) Raiders can atack you in many areas- less predictable.

Here is the facts. Raiders Oline,RBs , Wrs and Tes are just kids. This group has a chance to be real special . Carson Palmer gets chance to grow with this group.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1319165325' post='829565']


Carson Palmer has won, I believe, a whopping zero playoff games.

Zach miller was a better TE then anyone the raiders have currently.

Their receiving corps is a bunch of unproven speedsters who have yet to have any success in the nfl. Derrick mason is 37 and slow and better then anyone on their roster.

Palmer hasn't played football in forever, is learning a new playbook, and doesn't have any sort of rhythm with anyone on the team. Again, TO and TJ are both better then anyone they have, and they know Palmer. DMC is a monster but they won't get farther then the wild card round with the team they have now.[/quote]


Who cares. R Gannon came to Raiders at 34 years of age. Carson Palmer coming to Raiders at 31 with crazy young roster that loaded everywhere on offense. Now that raiders have a QB this offense has a chance to really take off. In time might be the best offense in football.

Zach Miller is not a better allround TE than Kevin Boss. K Boss blocks way better than zach Miller ever could(Raiders been using that skill alot more- keeping him in) and is a way bigger threat down the seam.

Raiders have so many big time youngsters at Te. R Gordon 6'4 265 4./64 - great blocker, David Ausberry 6'4 247 4.47 and T Pryor(Raiders have to get him on the field) 6'5 235 4.38


Last point No wr corp is going to look good when you have Jamarcus russell, Garbagekowski and Jason campbell at QB. That like having a Joe flacco at Qb and expecting better. Carson Palmer has the ability to get the football to there wr when they are open.

You do know that Hue Jackson was C Palmer OC and Qb coach at Usc. The Bengal playbook isn't that much diffrent than the raiders playbook. C palmer hasn't been sitiing around on his couch . he been working out everyday with Ken Obrien.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1319165877' post='829574']

Ray rice has the most total yards among rbs over the past 2 years. DMC is a monster...but right now AP and ray rice are a notch above the rest.




It's obvious you just pulled up a stat sheet and looked for the worst thing you could find. It's bad...but flacco is not an inaccurate qb. He can also throw the ball longer then 20 yards.







Are you really trying to say that TO and ochocinco were running poor routes, and not that carsons injured arm messed up his accuracy?



Because its an awful organization. But he's just trading one for the other at this point so....



Most explosive is a clever way to say "al Davis liked to try an make track stars who can't catch into nfl wideouts"[/quote]

IF raiders wanted D Mcfadden to have the most yards(passing and recieving) they can easily do that. D Mcfadden has wr skills as a Rb. Why do the raiders want to wear down or shorten D Mcfadden career by overusing him. The more you lean on RaY Rice the more your shorten his career. Again there is nothing than ray Rice can do better than D Mcfadden.(run. Reciever or block)

Now you can spin Flacco 51 percent completion percentage anyway you want. Now throw in the fact that a high number of his completions are to ray Rice RB that makes it even more disturbing. (not that hard to complete)

Yes chad Johnson and Terrell Owens were running alot of patterns that weren't called . Again your throwing it out of their break and he changes it. Tell me whats going to happen. Yes I say alot of interceptions were those two fault. Sure his elbow also been a problem. Raiders don't make that trade(give up that ransom) without making sure his arm is 100% healthy. Whose your momma been working out with Carson Plamer alot t6his offseason and he says his arm hasn't been this god in a long time.

That true and than Raiders stole him.

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[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319197188' post='829679']


IF raiders wanted D Mcfadden to have the most yards(passing and recieving) they can easily do that. D Mcfadden has wr skills as a Rb. Why do the raiders want to wear down or shorten D Mcfadden career by overusing him. The more you lean on RaY Rice the more your shorten his career. Again there is nothing than ray Rice can do better than D Mcfadden.(run. Reciever or block)

Now you can spin Flacco 51 percent completion percentage anyway you want. Now throw in the fact that a high number of his completions are to ray Rice RB that makes it even more disturbing. (not that hard to complete)

Yes chad Johnson and Terrell Owens were running alot of patterns that weren't called . Again your throwing it out of their break and he changes it. Tell me whats going to happen. Yes I say alot of interceptions were those two fault. Sure his elbow also been a problem. Raiders don't make that trade(give up that ransom) without making sure his arm is 100% healthy. Whose your momma been working out with Carson Plamer alot t6his offseason and he says his arm hasn't been this god in a long time.

That true and than Raiders stole him.
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"Stole" him? Ha, for two 1st's? This could either turn out to be a decent trade or a monumental mistake and classic "mortgaging of the future" error. Definitely not a trade where something was "stolen", at least not on Oaklands side

And, again, you're just stating your opinion about the Ravens FO trading Rice for McFadden! Opinion....no facts again!

Thank you for conceding that you were wrong and that the Bengals weapons from 2004 thru 20007 were more potent than what you have now. You have a fast team, sure, I'll give you that

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[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319196083' post='829675']



Who cares. R Gannon came to Raiders at 34 years of age. Carson Palmer coming to Raiders at 31 with crazy young roster that loaded everywhere on offense. Now that raiders have a QB this offense has a chance to really take off. In time might be the best offense in football.

Zach Miller is not a better allround TE than Kevin Boss. K Boss blocks way better than zach Miller ever could(Raiders been using that skill alot more- keeping him in) and is a way bigger threat down the seam.

Raiders have so many big time youngsters at Te. R Gordon 6'4 265 4./64 - great blocker, David Ausberry 6'4 247 4.47 and T Pryor(Raiders have to get him on the field) 6'5 235 4.38


Last point No wr corp is going to look good when you have Jamarcus russell, Garbagekowski and Jason campbell at QB. That like having a Joe flacco at Qb and expecting better. Carson Palmer has the ability to get the football to there wr when they are open.

You do know that Hue Jackson was C Palmer OC and Qb coach at Usc. The Bengal playbook isn't that much diffrent than the raiders playbook. C palmer hasn't been sitiing around on his couch . he been working out everyday with Ken Obrien.
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Okay, missed the part where you compared Russell, Campbell and Gronkowski (sp?) to Flacco. You are off the grid and I am not sure I can "debate" with you anymore. Good luck with your Raiders and the "toys" you have! Just make sure to ask Palmer how his left knee, throwing elbow and throwing shoulder are doing

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

I cant believe the arrogance of some people. Their team sucks for almost a decade and then want to come to a perennial playoff teams website and talk about how their team has a much more talented team in any aspect. And the argument of well he could do that if we wanted is a childs argument because if McFadden could have RR's numbers (2nd most from scrimmage in the last 3 years), than I am pretty sure they would have used him that way, although if there was one team that would screw that up it would have to be between the raider's and the Redskin's. When was the last time the raider's sniffed the playoff's? A long freakin time!!!! When is the last time this team did it?

And lets operate under the assumption that the Raiders's O is better (even though that is nowhere close to true.) Their line is pedestrian, McFadden has not had a 100 yard game in 3 weeks, and Carson Palmer was sittting on a couch last week. But if somehow they do pull it together, their coaching has just recently improved and the coaching wont be there to stop people from fumbling stupid mental errors, or just flat getting beat. And while I mourn for Al Davis I am not going to sit here and pretend that he was a great GM. In fact next to the redskins he was the worst, sorry but that is true. SO your team does not have the depth to be contenders and then compile that with the fact that next year they have 2 draft picks. Apparently they are as dumb as ever because the raiders are not a "built to win now team" Sure they win some meaningless games but, the big dance is not in their future for a long while because while teams around them get better selling this years draft and then the following year second rounder is going to prove too much for this terribly run team to succeed. The only thing they got going for them is Hue Jackson. Hopefully he picks the staff because other than that it will be the same raider's.

Unfortunately this thread is about offense not the team because we thrash the Raider's D it is not even close.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319201535' post='829710']
Okay, missed the part where you compared Russell, Campbell and Gronkowski (sp?) to Flacco. You are off the grid and I am not sure I can "debate" with you anymore. Good luck with your Raiders and the "toys" you have! Just make sure to ask Palmer how his left knee, throwing elbow and throwing shoulder are doing [/quote]

I don't have to ask Carson Palmer how his left Knee, Throwing elbow and throwing shoulder are doing. Raiders didn't give up two numbers 1 and make an investment in Carson Palmer without checking those things out. They did there homework and he 100% healthy. Maybe you should be more concerned with Joe Flacco than worry about Carson palmer. Raiders have alot better chance to go farther with carson Palmer under center, than you are with Joe Flacco.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1319204518' post='829725']I cant believe the arrogance of some people. Their team sucks for almost a decade and then want to come to a perennial playoff teams website and talk about how their team has a much more talented team in any aspect. And the argument of well he could do that if we wanted is a childs argument because if McFadden could have RR's numbers (2nd most from scrimmage in the last 3 years), than I am pretty sure they would have used him that way, although if there was one team that would screw that up it would have to be between the raider's and the Redskin's. When was the last time the raider's sniffed the playoff's? A long freakin time!!!! When is the last time this team did it?

And lets operate under the assumption that the Raiders's O is better (even though that is nowhere close to true.) Their line is pedestrian, McFadden has not had a 100 yard game in 3 weeks, and Carson Palmer was sittting on a couch last week. But if somehow they do pull it together, their coaching has just recently improved and the coaching wont be there to stop people from fumbling stupid mental errors, or just flat getting beat. And while I mourn for Al Davis I am not going to sit here and pretend that he was a great GM. In fact next to the redskins he was the worst, sorry but that is true. SO your team does not have the depth to be contenders and then compile that with the fact that next year they have 2 draft picks. Apparently they are as dumb as ever because the raiders are not a "built to win now team" Sure they win some meaningless games but, the big dance is not in their future for a long while because while teams around them get better selling this years draft and then the following year second rounder is going to prove too much for this terribly run team to succeed. The only thing they got going for them is Hue Jackson. Hopefully he picks the staff because other than that it will be the same raider's.

Unfortunately this thread is about offense not the team because we thrash the Raider's D it is not even close.[/quote]

Who cares what you did in the past. ITs all about 2011. (ask Rex Ryan and the Jets about that - living off two afc championship games)

Tell me the last two drafts who has a bigger haul than the raiders. Not the ravens. They nailed those drafts as they got so much talent especially late that their future set up quite nicely.(do your homework)

Raiders oline is Pedesterian. Okay they are the second leading rushing team and their OLine has given up seven sacks. (your oline 10) Less games played. They put a 225 rushing yards on Jets defense. Did you even come close to that.

Carson Plamer for most of his career is been a top five QB. Joe Flacco has never been anything but a big dissapointment- Whats his playoff record again.


Raiders are 11 ranked offense thats only going upo as they have a Qb now./ You have fourteen rated offense and where is the hope. Joe Flacco won't suck as bad.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319201259' post='829705']
"Stole" him? Ha, for two 1st's? This could either turn out to be a decent trade or a monumental mistake and classic "mortgaging of the future" error. Definitely not a trade where something was "stolen", at least not on Oaklands side

And, again, you're just stating your opinion about the Ravens FO trading Rice for McFadden! Opinion....no facts again!

Thank you for conceding that you were wrong and that the Bengals weapons from 2004 thru 20007 were more potent than what you have now. You have a fast team, sure, I'll give you that [/quote]

You win in this league with the QB. This is an offense league now. The Ravens defense has been one the best and how far has that got you with Joe Flacco in the playoffs.
Any team would trade two number 1 to get a diffrence maker at the most important position- QB.

Carson Palmer is healthy(Raiders don't make this trade if he wasn't) Last time raiders were relevant than had R gannon at Qb . The last last nine years all you have to look at whose been QB for them.

Raiders aren't sacfricing there future as they already nailed the last two drafts. They have added so much talent that adding more young talent to an already young team on both sides of the ball isn't the answer. (better to bring in veterans to complement their core players.

Nevber admitted anything . YEs at Wr Bengals had more. But when you add all the positions Raiders have more weapons now than what those Bengal teams had.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

And in 2011 we have the better record. Let me guess its not about the record either.

LAst two draft who has been better. OK thats easy we have. Sergio Kindle, terrance Cody, Ed Dickson, and David Reed. McClain and Veldheer, outside of that what did you do in 2010.

This last years draft is not even close. Jimmy Smith, Torrey SMith, Tandon Doss, Pernell McPhee, Tyrod Taylor, and Anothony Allen.

You Guys:Wisniewski was good, Demarcus Van Dyke was a 5th round draft grade and again all davis drafts way out of place, same with chekwa, out side of that nobodies. And Taiwian Jones hasnt shown anything except that he is fast which is the only requirement to be a Raider.

And your O-line who have they played ?? Nobody Impressive right. And considering we have an all pro injured, and we just acquired a new peice and shuffled it around, it should not be as close as it is but we are the ones that will truly get better.

Good Question what is Joes Play off Record well he has some wins thats for sure. Can Palmer say that. On no thats right he cant he was one and done with an awesome 53.8 passer rating that game. I am so glad you pointed this out.

The hope is that we get a receiver who has actually proven himself as more than fast back, as well as an all pro guard, and another speed receiver who actually has hands not to mention depth everywhere on the field. But yeah you can go with yours if it makes you feel better.

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[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319204808' post='829728']
I don't have to  ask Carson Palmer  how his left Knee, Throwing elbow and throwing shoulder are doing.    Raiders  didn't give up two numbers 1 and make an investment  in Carson Palmer without checking those things out.    They did there homework and he 100% healthy.   Maybe you should be more concerned with Joe Flacco than worry about Carson palmer.    Raiders have alot better chance to go farther with carson Palmer under center, than you are with Joe Flacco.
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Only time will tell, but we have already gone pretty far with Flacco. Again, good luck with Mr. Palmer. His stats sure show he's healed well, oh wait....

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319205743' post='829733']
Who cares what you did in the past.   ITs all about 2011.   (ask Rex Ryan and the Jets about that - living off two afc championship games)  
Tell me the last two drafts who has a bigger haul than the raiders. Not the ravens.   They nailed those drafts as they got so much talent especially late that their future set up quite nicely.(do your homework)  
Raiders oline is Pedesterian.  Okay they are the second leading rushing team and their OLine has given up seven sacks. (your oline 10)  Less games played.   They put a 225 rushing yards on Jets defense.   Did you even come close to that.    
Carson Plamer for most of his career is been a top five QB.  Joe Flacco has never been anything but a big dissapointment- Whats his playoff record again.  
Raiders are 11 ranked offense thats only going upo as they have a Qb now./  You have fourteen rated offense and where is the hope.  Joe Flacco won't suck as bad.
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"WHATS FLACCO'S PLAYOFF RECORD AGAIN?"  Its 4-3!  Whats Palmers?  Talk about doing your homework!!

And we still score more points than you

[ravens__]

Gosh... Fans like yourself ruin the image of fanbases around the league.. You'd think so many years of irrelevance and horrible seasons would make fans be a little more wary and cautious of what's wrong and what's right with their organisation..

It's one of those threads I'd want to dig back up two years from now just to see some people's faces.. On the bright side, you'll only lose a 2nd rounder two years from now 'cause let's face it, you ain't going to no AFC Championship within two years with this team.. Time for a reality check

[1/28/01]

Weird - from NFL.com

[quote]The last time Carson Palmer was on an NFL field, he was finishing up one of the worst statistical seasons of his eight-year career for the Cincinnati Bengals. [/quote]

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319201535' post='829710']
Okay, missed the part where you compared Russell, Campbell and [b]Gronkowski [/b](sp?) to Flacco. You are off the grid and I am not sure I can "debate" with you anymore. Good luck with your Raiders and the "toys" you have! Just make sure to ask Palmer how his left knee, throwing elbow and throwing shoulder are doing [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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Pretty sure you meant [b]Gradkowski[/b] lol [u]Gronkowski[/u] is a TE for the Patriots.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1319210493' post='829792']

Pretty sure you meant [b]Gradkowski[/b] lol [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] [u]Gronkowski[/u] is a TE for the Patriots.
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You are correct...cant keep track of all of Oaklands garbage QB's.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319210682' post='829794']
You are correct...cant keep track of all of Oaklands garbage QB's.
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ROFL... so true, and sad. Although Gradkowski knocked Pitt out of playoff contention a couple of years ago.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1319207332' post='829756']And in 2011 we have the better record. Let me guess its not about the record either.

LAst two draft who has been better. OK thats easy we have. Sergio Kindle, terrance Cody, Ed Dickson, and David Reed. McClain and Veldheer, outside of that what did you do in 2010.

This last years draft is not even close. Jimmy Smith, Torrey SMith, Tandon Doss, Pernell McPhee, Tyrod Taylor, and Anothony Allen.

You Guys:Wisniewski was good, Demarcus Van Dyke was a 5th round draft grade and again all davis drafts way out of place, same with chekwa, out side of that nobodies. And Taiwian Jones hasnt shown anything except that he is fast which is the only requirement to be a Raider.

And your O-line who have they played ?? Nobody Impressive right. And considering we have an all pro injured, and we just acquired a new peice and shuffled it around, it should not be as close as it is but we are the ones that will truly get better.

Good Question what is Joes Play off Record well he has some wins thats for sure. Can Palmer say that. On no thats right he cant he was one and done with an awesome 53.8 passer rating that game. I am so glad you pointed this out.

The hope is that we get a receiver who has actually proven himself as more than fast back, as well as an all pro guard, and another speed receiver who actually has hands not to mention depth everywhere on the field. But yeah you can go with yours if it makes you feel better.[/quote]

2011
2. Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
3a. DeMarcus Van Dyke, CB, Miami
3b. Joseph Barksdale, T, LSU
4a. Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State
4b. Taiwan Jones, RB, Eastern Washington
5. Denarius Moore, WR, Tennessee
6. Richard Gordon, TE Miami
7. David Ausberry, WR, USC

2010
1. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
2. Lamarr Houston, DT, Texas
3. Jared Veldheer, T, Hillsdale
4a. Bruce Campbell, T, Maryland
4b. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
5. Walter McFadden, CB, Auburn
6. Travis Goethel, LB, Arizona State

Lets see 2010 1. Starting Mlb Rolando Mcclain 2 Starting LDE L Houston- has a chance to be one of the top Dlineman 3 Starting LT Jared Veldheer(hasn't alowed a sack all year has a work ethnic second to no0ne. 4 Bruce Campbell going to be a stud he will eventually be Cooper carlisle replacement at RG(Raiders just don't want that much youth starting on oline.
4 Jacoby Ford- mR electric makes everyone look like they are playing in slow motion.

6 Travis Goethel would have been the starting weakside LB if he didn't get hurt.

2011 2Stephon Wisniewski- been great at LG but will eventually move to center Gives raiders a dominmant Left side Veldheer and Wisniewski

2 DVD- Rod woodson handpicked Cb is going to be very good. Just needs more experience and to get in weight room. As he really paper thin as biggert Cb can man handle

3 Joe Barksdale- future starter at LG . Same reason B Campbell not starting as you can't have that much youth starting at same time. Not Bad to get 4-5 of your Oline in the last two years. LT Veldheer Lg Joe Barksdale C S wisniewski RG Bruce Campbell and RT Khalif Barnes

4a Chimdi Chedwa- has played very well when he played but has been battling hamstring problems

4b- Taiwan Jones- hyasn't gotten a chance yet on offense Probably the fastest Raider . Big special team player on converage and blocking units. No doubt going to be a big time player

5 Denarius Moore- has become forgotten the last weeks but with Carson palmer at Qb will show he is as good as any RB

6 TE Richard Gordon 6'4 265 4.64- avery good Blocker that they used as sixth olineman. Still a raw reciever He plays alot because his blocking huge.

7 TE David ausberry 6'4 247 4.47 - was one of the top high school wr prospect who went to Usc and was injured and got lost in the numbers. No doubr going to be a big time recieving threat.


2012- 3 T Pryor- Hue Jackson drawing up plays for him as a QB, Wr, TE and RB thats another 6'5 235 4.38 weapon
7th round A Curry a 25 years old guy that was fourth pick in draft two half years.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1319209831' post='829785']Gosh... Fans like yourself ruin the image of fanbases around the league.. You'd think so many years of irrelevance and horrible seasons would make fans be a little more wary and cautious of what's wrong and what's right with their organisation..

It's one of those threads I'd want to dig back up two years from now just to see some people's faces.. On the bright side, you'll only lose a 2nd rounder two years from now 'cause let's face it, you ain't going to no AFC Championship within two years with this team.. Time for a reality check [/quote]

Again raiders are closer to playing in an AFC Championship game because Raiders have Carson Palmer while you have Joe Flacco at Qb. Thats a fact.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319214270' post='829846']
Again raiders are closer to playing in an AFC Championship game because Raiders have Carson Palmer while you have Joe Flacco at Qb. Thats a fact.
[/quote]

Hahaha, wow. How many playoff games has Carson Palmer won? You [i]really[/i] want to go there?

The answer is zero, in case you were wondering.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319209326' post='829782']
"WHATS FLACCO'S PLAYOFF RECORD AGAIN?" Its 4-3! Whats Palmers? Talk about doing your homework!!

And we still score more points than you [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img][/quote]


Flacco plays any worse 51 percent completion percentage. You Know what NFL stands for. NOT FOR LONG in this league. Guarntee Raiders score alot more points with palmer than Joe [i]<deleted>[/i] Flacco. Hey he keep playing bad Ray Lewis might take him out.

[Raider9175]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1319214450' post='829849']

Hahaha, wow. How many playoff games has Carson Palmer won? You [i]really[/i] want to go there?

The answer is zero, in case you were wondering.[/quote]

LOL when anyone crtizing someone else QB when they have Joe Flacco as their Qb . Carson Palmer been one of the top Qb when hes been healthy. Can you make that claim with Joe Flacco. You guys are more patetic than Jet fans. With M Sanchez. There sucess like your is based on your defense has won despite your Qb. Do you want me to post his playoff stats as a Qb.

Why don't you post Palmer Playoff stats Completions etc and that of Flacco.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319214612' post='829852']
Flacco plays any worse 51 percent completion percentage. You Know what NFL stands for. NOT FOR LONG in this league. Guarntee Raiders score alot more points with palmer than Joe'the joke" Flacco. Hey he keep playing bad Ray Lewis might take him out.
[/quote]

Come on, now. I'm not buying what you're trying to sell. Joe's early struggles are more due to lack of timing with his new WRs than anything else. I guarantee you Joe will be back near 60% or higher by season's end.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Raider9175' timestamp='1319215070' post='829854']
LMao when anyone crtizing someone else QB when they have Joe Flacco as their Qb . Carson Palmer been one of the top Qb when hes been healthy. Can you make that claim with Joe Flacco. You guys are more patetic than Jet fans. With M Sanchez. There sucess like your is based on your defense has won despite your Qb. Do you want me to post his playoff stats as a Qb.

Why don't you post Palmer Playoff stats Completions etc and that of Flacco.
[/quote]

Joe knows how to win in the playoffs. Palmer is a quitter and doesn't know how to win when it really counts. I don't care what his stats are, because the only stat that matters for Palmer is 0, which is his number of playoff wins.