HGH Testing

[arnie_uk]

I was reading a thread on another forum where someone said they would not be at al surprised if alot of players for different teams fail these tests when they start.

One particular player was mentioned, and that was ray lewis. He didnt say he will fail, or he thinks he will, be if Ray did, he wouldnt be surpirsed, his reasoning behind - how can this man do what he does, 36 years old, 16 years, only missed 7 snaps all last year, is never injured and is playing at the same level year in year out.

I was wondering what your views on this are, not just ray lewis but other raven players, or other players in the league. is there any body else youd suspect of this?
another name mentioned was Big Ben because he always gets injured, eg broken feet, ankle sprains etc, and then plays the next week - HGH speeds up healing.

also have the outlined procedures if you do Fail?

[Natty Boh]

I have also seen a lot of people on other sites saying they think Ray Lewis will be the first to get popped for HGH. A lot of haters but you know, nothing in sports surprises me now with this stuff.

[CalvinSmoke]

well there's some flaws in this theory, you said Ray never gets hurt but he missed almost half a season in like... 05. But anyway to say that Ray must be the human growth hormones because he doesn't get injured and then say Big Ben must be on it because he's always injured is just flawed. That's what you call a witch hunt man. And besides, HGH isn't a steriod so they don't have the same side effects, completely different.

[arnie_uk]

it wasnt me said any of this, i read it on another forum and the OP said ray, someone said Ben becuase you always here of him getting hurt one week, then hes fine and dandy the next. The thought actually never crossed my mind tbh, just thought it was an interesting topic..

[CalvinSmoke]

gotcha, my bad i wasn't trying to aim things at your directly lol. Most guys that are taking the most stuff are probally the muscle heads on the practice squads anyway.

[arnie_uk]

it would be very dissapointing if he was, i dont think he is, someone like that wouldnt want to be in the limelight and be the "man" the face of a franchise in case it came out i dont think, i think they would keep there head down kinda..

[hawkprey]

Ray is too passionate about his body and mind to do something like take HGH. He doesn't train for the game, he "trains for life". You don't mess up your hormones because you're training for life. And Ray puts in the work like no one else does. That's how he keeps on top of his game for so long. Don't undermine him and think he must be taking HGH because he's "too successful".

[Adam Jones]

I was also wondering what the penalty would be if a player was caught with it. I know that Brain Cushing tested positive for "Performance Enhancers" and was suspended four weeks but the league did not disclose what it was. I remember reading somewhere that this is going to be more widespread than people are thinking, and it could really affect the game temporarily.

[GrimCoconut]

I would be disappointed if Ray was using HGH, but it is extremely unlikely. Ray values his body and does not condone the use of artificial assistance to improve productivity. Either he is a hypocrite or he is sincere, and I go with the latter.

If anyone on the team is using HGH it's Flacco. Guy has taken how many hits? He's inhuman. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if any player was caught taking it. I would be disappointed, though.

[i82much]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1318891239' post='826679']
Ray is too passionate about his body and mind to do something like take HGH. He doesn't train for the game, he "trains for life". You don't mess up your hormones because you're training for life. And Ray puts in the work like no one else does. That's how he keeps on top of his game for so long. Don't undermine him and think he must be taking HGH because he's "too successful".
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Sorry my man, I love Ray-Ray but if he was doing the deer velvet stuff then what's the diff?

[go4ravens]

[quote name='i82much' timestamp='1318894099' post='826719']

Sorry my man, I love Ray-Ray but if he was doing the deer velvet stuff then what's the diff?
[/quote]

Deer Velvet is a vitamin you can get at any GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, etc. I've taken it and it truly works wonders. According to what I've read, there's something similar in deer velvet that makes it read as HGH in a drug test, but it's not in any way human growth hormone.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='i82much' timestamp='1318894099' post='826719']

Sorry my man, I love Ray-Ray but if he was doing the deer velvet stuff then what's the diff?
[/quote]

Sleep does wonders for you too. How long until that's illegal? There's a difference. HGH is banned because it's actually bad for your body in the long run. Just like steroids and drugs. They don't want players to have to negatively affect their lives to be competitive via external substance.

[i82much]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1318896658' post='826775']

Sleep does wonders for you too. How long until that's illegal? There's a difference. HGH is banned because it's actually bad for your body in the long run. Just like steroids and drugs. They don't want players to have to negatively affect their lives to be competitive via external substance.
[/quote]

Who the heck knows whether deer velvet is ok for your body in the long run? It's IGF-1 supplementation. I am fine with him using anything as long as it is legal under the NFL rules (and criminal law), but please don't tell me Ray's body is a temple and he would never dream of such a thing. Come on.

[MLGWL20]

I love Ed, hes my favorite player but I wouldnt be super surprised if he failed. With the neck I could see him using it just to be able to continue playing. I hope not but you never know.

[SnOoPy]

Ray always took care of his body. I don't think he took any HgH. I hope not!

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='MLGWL20' timestamp='1318897393' post='826790']
I love Ed, hes my favorite player but I wouldnt be super surprised if he failed. With the neck I could see him using it just to be able to continue playing. I hope not but you never know.
[/quote]
haha, Ed Reed did get jacked out of no where lol. But idc if he's on elephant steroids, he's the man :-p

[TMacVC]

From our team Ray Rice could be doin it too... He just got completely built this year... But I got some names too tat could get busted

HGHarrison
Woodley
Timmons
Keisel
Timmons
Redman
Rothlesberger

[NgataForPresident]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1318889317' post='826640']
[b]One particular player was mentioned, and that was ray lewis. He didnt say he will fail, or he thinks he will, be if Ray did, he wouldnt be surpirsed, his reasoning behind - how can this man do what he does, 36 years old, 16 years, only missed 7 snaps all last year, is never injured and is playing at the same level year in year out.[/b]
[/quote]

I think Ray was already asked about this.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsmzem33Zk

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='NgataForPresident' timestamp='1318914536' post='827094']

I think Ray was already asked about this.........

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsmzem33Zk[/media]
[/quote]
awesome!! lol

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='NgataForPresident' timestamp='1318914536' post='827094']


I think Ray was already asked about this.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsmzem33Zk
[/quote]
That was fantastic. I forgot that had even happened!

[Radinho84]

i don´t think anybody truly believes that any player on any football team is completely without steroids, HGH or any other kind of support. just look at those guys. it´s all accepted. like when cushing got banned for 4 weeks after using steroids. in any other sport you would have risk your career.

i am fine with them being those steroid monsters. that makes the game what it is...

[nk02442]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1318893298' post='826707']
I would be disappointed if Ray was using HGH, but it is extremely unlikely. Ray values his body and does not condone the use of artificial assistance to improve productivity. Either he is a hypocrite or he is sincere, and I go with the latter.

If anyone on the team is using HGH it's Flacco. Guy has taken how many hits? He's inhuman. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if any player was caught taking it. I would be disappointed, though.
[/quote]

He used Deer velvet which has similar properties to HGH. Personaly I could not care either way.

Congress needs to worry about 1000 other things before it even looks into sports. What a person puts in their body, is between them and their doctor, no one else.

Futhermore, HGH and many of the banned susbstances would substatialy reduce injury time and increase performace. I am all for better, faster, stronger players. Football is a sport, IE entertainment. If you think players havent been jucing since the late 60's your blind. There is always another method to beat the tests. So instead of worring what someone does to their own body, worry about your crappy officiating and multi biliondollar advertisedment,s NFL. All you care about is the money away, so let the players put a better product on the field.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='NgataForPresident' timestamp='1318914536' post='827094']

I think Ray was already asked about this.........

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsmzem33Zk[/media]
[/quote]

i forgot all about this! lol! thanks for the reminder.

but....

alot of cats in the NFL would be effected by this testing....no doubt about it!

~Mili

[Clutch Ravens]

What good is HGH to a machine?

I think Cushing'll be one of the first to be hit by it.

[FerrariFan87]

I hope players aren't using HGH, but I know it's inevitable that some guys are using and will be caught eventually.

[1/28/01]

How do you think I have over 8,000 posts? This isn't all natural!!

[Kevin Mullins]

A little science for you all, primarily because I'm very tired of mis-information. As a personal trainer, and an exercise junkie, I've heard all types of opinions, and thoughts on the topic of HGH and steroids....I am not going to preach, but simply, inform in a quick and organized matter.

1. Growth Hormone is not a steroid. Steroids are "fat encompassed hormones that possess various properties that are characteristic of whatever hormone is within the micelle (the fat shell). Growth Hormone, on the contrary, are peptide based (protein based) hormones created within the brain itself that signal a localized site (i.e. a bicep) to begin the recovery processes, such as hypertrophy, and a hyperplasia.
a.Cholesterol is a steroid. CHOLE---STEROL..Sterols are the building blocks of "steroids". Thus, we all enjoy steroids when we eat 3 scrambled eggs.
b.Cortisone is a steroid, it reduces inflammation in joints as a result of an injury. However, it is extremely dangerous to the integrity of the joint, and there are only so many cortisone shots a joint can handle until it can no longer properly.
c. Androgenic Steroids, such as H-drol, winistrol (Roger Clemens) are performance enhancers in a sense that they rapidly increase two crucial processes in the human body that dictate muscle mass and strength. These processes, hypertrophy (muscle growth), and protein metabolism (more amino acids available for muscles)...allow the body to rapidly increase its size in a short period of time. There are downsides such as the acne, and other sex-related changes. However, there is no such phenomenon known as roid rage. There are no psychological agents in androgenic steroids, and as such, there are no direct changes in mood or attitude. However, the presence of more testosterone can make one agressive, but no more aggressive then a college kid with a few shots of whiskey in him.

2. Growth Hormone does not PREVENT injuries. In fact, it will likely cause more injuries if taken in conjunction with extreme physical activity such as football. This is because of the fact the muscles have grown and expanded quite rapidly, and the ligaments and tendons that help support the muscular system are not yet fully adapted to the increased forces created on bones as a result of better "pulls" from muscles.

3. Growth Hormone is predominantly used to RECOVER from injury. GH, specifically somatotropin, will create an immune response around a injured muscle site and begin a serious of recovery procedures that operate outside of the typical hypertrophy, hyperplasia scale. For example, the body will have a torn hamstring, surgically repaired, but still incapable of operating normally, let alone athletically. The GH will initiate the production of more hemoglobin to carry more red blood cells, some of which are released from the red marrow in bones, and others created by other hemopoetin sites throughout the body. The increased flow of oxygen to a torn muscle will help the muscle be "fed" oxygen and proteins for which it will use to assimilate new contractile proteins, and new myonuclei (the brain of a muscle, there are millions in each).

To note: repairing ligaments is more based off satellite cells, which is far more complicated, and is heavily reliant on more blood flow to surounding muscles. AKA...to help repair a torn acl, once the athlete can move, you do leg extensions and leg curls to increase blood flow to quadriceps and hamstring so that nutrients can be in the region of the knee joint, as joints, and ligaments do not really have direct blood flow.


Now an opinion

While mandating and controlling anabolic androgenic steroids make perfect sense in the NFL, and other competitive companies such as the MLB and NBA. The control over HGH is not wise, as it is quite honestly a miracle drug with extremely limited side effects, and has been used to help burn victims have new skin, amputees to heal faster and adapt to bionic body parts, and to help "growth stunted" children grow to their actual potential, and not to the point that their hypothalmus was currently secreting.

Point is, is that the NFL, like all other competitive agencies, are not doing whats best for the league, or what is best for its players. It is, quite sadly, reacting to a public view of the drug, and fearfully creating a mandate that will punish those who use it. The punishment is so that the public thinks the NFL doesn't want "cheaters", a persona that every user will have to wear to their retirement because the public doesn't take the time, nor possesses the desire to actually learn what HGH is. Forming an opinion over something just because Fox News, or WJZ says its bad is ignorant at best, and completely uneducated at worst. In order to honestly voice your opinion you should have facts, and be ready to use them to defend your opinion to the death.

Sadly, America has evolved into a society where we don't take the time to cook a family meal, and instead buy a bunch of burgers and fries from McDonalds, every night. So, how can any respecting scientist, or health professional like myself expect that same lazy individual to do some research before opening his mouth.....................

I'm not pointing out anyone on the forums by the way, so NO ONE should take offense to that last statement. Just a little rant at the end of my post.

[Irish Raven]

Just an article here to Ray's training regime, I got tired just reading it
http://www.muscleprodigy.com/ray-lewis-workout-arcl-1093.html

I'd be disappointed if I learned he was using what's mentioned in this thread, somehow I just held him to such a high standard and he works harder then most any other player in the off season.
And even then he has lost a step, he's not twenty four anymore

It's certain some players in the NFL are using them. If league wide tests come in it's inevitable some Ravens players will be tested positive

[RedFire]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1318923877' post='827113']
i don´t think anybody truly believes that any player on any football team is completely without steroids, HGH or any other kind of support. just look at those guys. it´s all accepted. like when cushing got banned for 4 weeks after using steroids. in any other sport you would have risk your career.

i am fine with them being those steroid monsters. that makes the game what it is...
[/quote]

If u eat ya lean body weight in protein everyday you can bulk up bout a pound a week in combination with muscle building activities. They have trainers & nutritionist...not that hard. The biggest gains are between high skool & college simply from a diet standpoint.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='NgataForPresident' timestamp='1318914536' post='827094']

I think Ray was already asked about this.........

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGsmzem33Zk[/media]
[/quote]
I lol'd about the Dilfer question.