Anybody Else Notice Torreys 51Yrd Hit Ground?

[neoi78]

I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that on Torrey's 51yrd catch from Flacco, he caught the ball, but when he hit the ground it did pop out, but he cradled it back quickly. He should be really careful body catching so often, but HEY, if he keeps making plays, and the refs never see the sketchy catches like today, im fine with it. I just hope that every game he grows as a WR and his hands grow too. And - he has been growing.

Anyways, how many others caught that? Heres the link:

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8232dfbf/Smith-s-51-yard-catch"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8232dfbf/Smith-s-51-yard-catch[/url]

[PurpleCorsair]

I did too, and so did the coaches as I think they got up quickly to try and snap the ball.

[redrum52]

I noticed and was wondering why it took them so long to line up and hike. I was waiting for the challenge flag front the Texans. I also thought they completed the 4th down play but he was short. It's funny how lately the last thing we've been worrying about is the refs cheating us. Calls and non calls been going in our favor this season(cody face mask).

[neoi78]

I thought they took a little bit too long to get to the line to snap the ball as well.

[MKdave]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1318828678' post='825903']
I was just wondering if anyone else noticed that on Torrey's 51yrd catch from Flacco, he caught the ball, but when he hit the ground it did pop out, but he cradled it back quickly. [b]He should be really careful body catching so often[/b], but HEY, if he keeps making plays, and the refs never see the sketchy catches like today, im fine with it. I just hope that every game he grows as a WR and his hands grow too. And - he has been growing.
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Well, he was body catching earlier in the season, but he tried to catch that with his hands. He basically dropped it, but he got lucky that his face was in the way. That's why he didn't really have control of it going to the ground.

[RavensPunkXVX]

I was at a restaurant watching and yelling "get to the line! hike it!" haha I thought it would get challenged. Could have been a huge set back had it been called back.

[Thepurplehaze]

Yeah the announcers didn't catch it at all..and neither did Torrey. lol

[ravensdfan]

Yeah. I chalked it up to them owing us one since they let the Texans hold all game long.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1318852171' post='826088']
Yeah. I chalked it up to them owing us one since they let the Texans hold all game long.
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Not to mention all the face-masking they didn't call.

[redrum52]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1318852171' post='826088']
Yeah. I chalked it up to them owing us one since they let the Texans hold all game long.
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This too. When I saw the flag for Webb I thought it was for holding on the o line cause the left side of there line was holding DIRTY on that play. I still don't get how you don't call it when someone is blocking a player sideways. They are strong but not that strong.

[FerrariFan87]

I think Torrey had control regardless, and the ball is allowed to touch the ground so long as the receiver has control of the ball... it would have been too close to overturn anyway.

[Purple Nurple]

I was screaming at the tv as well. Cody also got away with a real nasty looking face mask call. In slow motion it looked like he was trying to rip dudes head off.

[robbcs3]

Torrey took like 3 steps after catching the ball, wouldn't it have been ruled a fumble at this point? Which he recovered on his own if anything.

[Runnin Raven]

Hate to say it but that wasn't a catch.

[baadbobby]

I think he took 4 steps.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' timestamp='1318865801' post='826254']
Hate to say it but that wasn't a catch.
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[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_327321_Spy_23x22.gif[/img] Yes it was. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_327321_Spy_23x22.gif[/img]

[colljb9]

Instead of focusing on one play why dont we look at how well smith played. He caught a 51 yard bomb and had a couple nice catches on out routes and comeback routes. This kid seems like he's not only working on his hands because he did catch a lot of balls with his hands today but he's also really working on his routes. Theyre looking sharper and he's not just rounding off but hes really cutting and his deep threat is forcing cornerbacks to play off of him

[LGTEXAN1]

As a Texan, I say it hit the ground...no doubt. We can't get Kubiak to challenge squat. As for the facemask, we did pull on it....but I thought the "no-call" was a make-up for the facemase on Foster on 4th down. We got the ball back anyway on the fumble....but I thought the facemask should have been called both times. Can defend holding non-calls.....we're pretty good at it. Your 4th down challenge (had no bearing on the game) was a surprising over-ruling. I thought that either way, whatever the rulling on the field was, would stand. Didn't seem that it was conclusive enough either way. But my original assessment was that he was short. Surprised they gave him the forward progress. But after they did, the replay I saw didn't match up to what they came back and said. "His right foot did not touch ground?" Please! Could have been my "Texan" goggles. But the long pass definetely hit the turf and should have been incomplete or challenged. That was a huge play at the time.

[PainKiller]

It didnt matter if it hit the ground. He caught the ball and had control, took a few steps, then got tackled to the ground. It would only matter if it hit the ground if he was catching the ball and going to the ground simultaneously.

[Runnin Raven]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1318866669' post='826271']
[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_327321_Spy_23x22.gif[/img] Yes it was. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_327321_Spy_23x22.gif[/img]
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Just callin it the way I saw it![img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

And hey, if Kubiak and the refs didn't have a problem with it, well, then maybe I'm wrong. That's certainly happened before.

[K-Dog]

I
saw
NOTHING...

[Natty Boh]

i have gone back and forth on this play but here is where I'm at on it now:

Stop the video at 29 seconds (actually its like 29.85 seconds) and you will see that both of Torrey's knees are down while he has control of the ball and being tackled. The ground cannot cause a fumble so it was a catch. My take anyway.

Video Replay: [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8232dfbf/Smith-s-51-yard-catch"]http://www.nfl.com/v...s-51-yard-catch[/url]

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1318870727' post='826336']
i have gone back and forth on this play but here is where I'm at on it now:

Stop the video at 29 seconds and you will see that both of Torrey's knees are down while he has control of the ball and being tackled.  The ground cannot cause a fumble so it was a catch.  My take anyway.
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But it can cause an incomplete pass.....I, unfortunately, would have called this incomplete under review. Good for us I am not a referee

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1318870824' post='826340']
But it can cause an incomplete pass.....I, unfortunately, would have called this incomplete under review. Good for us I am not a referee [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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I agree it can cause an incomplete pass but since he took a few steps after the catch with control, I figure that is out of the picture. I'm no NFL Ref though.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1318871111' post='826347']
I agree it can cause an incomplete pass but since he took a few steps after the catch with control, I figure that is out of the picture.  I'm no NFL Ref though.
[/quote]
Me neither....just my prospective is that he didn't have full control of the ball at any point, therefore the steps he was taking (2 or 3) wouldnt count as a "football move" or possession.

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1318871329' post='826352']
Me neither....just my prospective is that he didn't have full control of the ball at any point, therefore the steps he was taking (2 or 3) wouldnt count as a "football move" or possession.
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I can understand that perspective. And obviously we don't agree on the issue of Torrey's control of the ball but hey, that's what makes forums interesting.

We can only come to a few conclusions about why it was not challenged. Either the Ref, Kubiak, and Kubiak's guys upstairs in charge or overseeing replays missed it...or they felt there was not a winnable challenge there, Who knows?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1318871758' post='826359']
I can understand that perspective.  And obviously we don't agree on the issue of Torrey's control of the ball but hey, that's what makes forums interesting.

We can only come to a few conclusions about why it was not challenged.  Either the Ref, Kubiak, and Kubiak's guys upstairs in charge or overseeing replays missed it...or they felt there was not a winnable challenge there,  Who knows?
[/quote]
Agreed 100%...just nice debate here. I do think, however, it would have been difficult to overturn with conclusive evidence that it was either a fumble (which, like stated, wanted have made a difference except for proper stat keeping) or incomplete. Either way, loved it and went nuts in the stands. Didnt realize it was even close to being questionable until I got home!

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Looks like a catch to me.

[johnmike72]

Maybe some of U people think the Ravens should of lost?????

[Trilogique]

Looks to me like a catch. Had possession and it touched the ground for a sec.

Even if it was, by rule, an incomplete pass, the Texans got away with some stuff, too. Oh and the fumbles & INT going their way