What About Kindle?

[BmoreRavens732]

Jus want every1's take on this....because of signing Bryant mcann (possible spelling error) mainly for ST's does this mean Sergio won't be activated? Because he was vs J.E.T.S. Suck suck suck and made plays on ST's and was in on the last drive or 2 vs jets and forced pressure and was inches away from a sack on dirty sanchez a few times...sacks are great but pressure is just as important as they can force a QB to make bad decisions

[uhhhh]

I thought that the signing of mcann was because of d.reed's health status. Anyway Serg looked good in the game. I see him getting more snaps.

[codizzle]

I really dont remember seeing anything special from him in the game.. If he's active this week or not, will prolly be based off of how he has practiced this past week.

If grubbs carr n jimmy are a go then na he wont be active

[BmoreRavens732]

He didn't really make a huge play on D cuz he was only in on a few snaps but the snaps he took he came pretty dam close to a sack...particularly the very last play he pressured sanchez on fourth down n forced a bad throw that was off target to Dustin Keller who had B A beat by a step or two n possibly could of resulted in a first down but HIS pressure got there n he made a tackle or two on ST's

[SecretAgentMan]

Put JJ at MLB with Lewis, JJ is a smart player, who is much stronger than an above avarage LB, and also a good student of the game. That's why we brought in Kindle, so JJ could move to MLB, and take over the defense when 52 retires.

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1318502740' post='822243']
Put JJ at MLB with Lewis, JJ is a smart player, who is much stronger than an above avarage LB, and also a good student of the game. That's why we brought in Kindle, so JJ could move to MLB, and take over the defense when 52 retires.
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I doubt at any moment that this coaching staff thought that jj would take over this defense. He isn't young himself and isn't as great as some ravens fans make him out to be. He's an average olb

[BmoreRavens732]

JJ is way to slow to be a MLB.....only time he's in coverage is in a zone coverage n he's only covering the flat routes outside...never in man situations

[Alexir]

Kindle and Kruger will get their shot last year because I just don't see us re-signing JJ. He's getting up there, doesn't generate a pass rush, solid in run blocking though but like I've said before, we didn't spend 2 second round picks on these guys for them to ride the bench and run out the endzone on kick offs.

[berad]

McCann's a return man so I don't think that will eat into any potential Kindle time. Sergio was only activated for the first time, last week. We have to let it come along slowly. I think his role will continue to grow as the season goes on and he could become a solid rotational player by the end of the year... with nothing but room to improve.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1318507358' post='822254']
Kindle and Kruger will get their shot last year because I just don't see us re-signing JJ. He's getting up there, doesn't generate a pass rush, solid in run blocking though but like I've said before, we didn't spend 2 second round picks on these guys for them to ride the bench and run out the endzone on kick offs.
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Agreed but this means we need to give Kindle some more time to see how well he copes with defensive reps. I expect his role to increase as the season progresses but I won't pretend I'm not a little disappointed with how little we've seen of him in the regular season.

[Bltravens]

You would think after last years game we would dress at least 4 hybrid DE/OLB pass rushers considering we only had 3 dressed for last years game and they were gassed in the 4th quarter.

[BMORE HIGH]

Our defense has alot of depth ,I think he'll be used later in the year.

[gabefergy]

I dont think he will be active, unless we still have a lot of injured guys that cant go. I assume its possible he may get the nod over McClellan but he would have to prove he can be a reliable ST guy.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1318491040' post='822229']
Jus want every1's take on this....because of signing Bryant mcann (possible spelling error) mainly for ST's does this mean Sergio won't be activated? Because he was vs J.E.T.S. Suck suck suck and made plays on ST's and was in on the last drive or 2 vs jets and forced pressure and was inches away from a sack on dirty sanchez a few times...sacks are great but pressure is just as important as they can force a QB to make bad decisions
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Not really, the McCann signing was about getting a returner. Of course if he's added to the active roster someone is gonna be the odd man out and that may be Sergio or it may be someone else. I'd like to see Kindle contribute, but he may just not be ready. He hasn't played much in a game in 2 years and he is just recovering from what could have been a career ending injury. So I think we should just be patient.

[Gordo52]

I just wanna see him get a sack

[hawkprey]

[i]<Forget>[/i] the special teams, I want to see him on defense. Or at least know why the coaching staff isn't putting him out there.

[wayne]

With how great the pass rush has been its not an immediate need to rush him sort to speak for playing time ( same situation with our Jimmy Smith and our CB situation ). They will work Sergio in slowly with it being situational times of course. Its great to see how everything panned out with us having so much QUALTITY depth at positions where we don't have to rush players onto the field ( Grubbs, Jimmy, and Sergio are all perfect examples ). Also, Kruger hasn't been doing too bad him self so all that factors in to Sergio.

[counts52]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1318526231' post='822393']
I just wanna see him get a sack [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sad.png[/img]
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agreed

[CapoRocky]

I hope he gets a few reps in the Houston game. Kindle will never get confidence unless he first tastes success.

[The Raven]

I've said it before, the coaches won't put him on the field unless he brings something good to the table. I'm not saying he'd bad by any stretch, but what does he bring the the defense that Suggs, Kruger, JJ, and Mcphee don't? If he wants extensive playtime, he needs to play the run better, he was lackluster at that in the PS. And while he is an exceptional pass rusher, Suggs, Kruger, McPhee, and Redding have proven to be a dominant pass rushing defensive line. The [i]need [/i]for Kindle isn't really there. But, his time will come.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1318505145' post='822244']


I doubt at any moment that this coaching staff thought that jj would take over this defense. He isn't young himself and isn't as great as some
ravens fans make him out to be. He's an average olb
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I agree with u. I don't see anyone picturing JJ taking over this defense. He is hard worker, respectable player, but they drafted kindle in hopes of developing JJ's replacement...

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1318507358' post='822254']
Kindle and Kruger will get their shot last year because I just don't see us re-signing JJ. He's getting up there, doesn't generate a pass rush, solid in run blocking though but like I've said
before, we didn't spend 2 second round picks on these guys for them to ride the bench and run out the endzone on kick offs.
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While I know what u meant to say, did u read this before posting?? The first line. They will get their shot last year?
Gosh we went for a Trip Back to the Future lol.
Just joking

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1318502740' post='822243']
Put JJ at MLB with Lewis, JJ is a smart player, who is much stronger than an above avarage LB, and also a good student of the game. That's why we brought in Kindle, so JJ could move to MLB, and take over the defense when 52 retires.
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JJ could never be a average MLB, let alone a good one. He has very limited lateral speed, which is undoubtedly the most important skill a MLB can possess.

[Kinda_Dante]

How did this thread go from being about Kindle to being about how people don't like JJ?

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='Kinda_Dante' timestamp='1318558433' post='822699']
How did this thread go from being about Kindle to being about how people don't like JJ?
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For the record, I love JJ as a player (see "trade block" thread). I just know he can't play middle backer. There are skill sets for each position....and you either have them or you dont. JJ has a relentless motor, and can perform his assignments consistently without being "beat" or "fooled"....his preparation shows, because...like a good corner...his name isn't said much on the telecast.

He has his flashes...like any good athlete...but to think he could simply shift inside is nieve at best, and stupid at worst. Thus, my arguement

[ball hawkin 20]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1318559831' post='822708']

For the record, I love JJ as a player (see "trade block" thread). I just know he can't play middle backer. There are skill sets for each position....and you either have them or you dont. JJ has a relentless motor, and can perform his assignments consistently without being "beat" or "fooled"....his preparation shows, because...like a good corner...his name isn't said much on the telecast.

He has his flashes...like any good athlete...but to think he could simply shift inside is nieve at best, and stupid at worst. Thus, my arguement
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He can do all of that, except rush the passer. 18 sacks by a starter in 120+ games is emberassing

[BmoreRavens732]

JJ is very smart and is pretty consistent in mainly run stopping because his pass rushing sometimes creates pressure but doesn't always get home...however with him being very football smart that wud help him in beig a mlb but you have to be able to cover TE And RB and the speed just isn't there

[Radinho84]

back on topic: i would love to see more of sergio. i think he will be a very good player. the coaches know if he is ready or not and i trust them. they don´t throw people out there in baltimore if they don´t think they are ready to contribute. that saves them from ending up like kaybin or curry. kindle showed a lot of promise in the preseason and i think he will start by the end of the year or next season. right now we don´t need him to go out there because we are playing the best defense in the league at the moment...

[Kinda_Dante]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1318559831' post='822708']
He has his flashes...like any good athlete...but to think he could simply shift inside is nieve at best, and stupid at worst. Thus, my arguement
[/quote]
I wasn't talking about you i was talking about everybody on this thread who doesn't like jj as a player at all.

[Dudeman]

It's funny that last year everyone said the Ravens needed a pass rusher opposite Suggs, but that JJ is consistently under-rated. Coaches and former coordinators rave about his toughness and football smarts. Yet time and time again his role and it's value to the team is over-looked. Let's examine some of those nuances here.

For starters JJ was re-habbing in the off-season last year, and went on to play the entire season without taking many snaps off. Often times more than not JJ is on garbage duty, therefore he doesn't get many flashy stats. JJ's role is to contain his edge, stop the run, and occasionally cover a TE running out into the flat. Basically clean up duty for the D-line. Yet for the first time in his career he has a DPOW award to his credit and is starting to gain the notice of the media. Quite possibly JJ also has the hit of the season when he crushed Hines Ward instead of trying to run down Rothlisberger. How many players would be able to run full speed and think full speed like JJ has shown he is capable of doing? Furthermore, he also is much healthier this year, and his play has gone from above-average to possibly pro-bowl as a result. Health has a big role in how a player plays, and how much they play. In the case of JJ his toughness overcame that a year ago, and lack of depth behind him (because of Kindle's injury) limited the impact of anyone stepping in behind him.

Let's also not over-look that we changed our philosophy on defense between this year to last in that we went from being more of a prevent defense to an attacking defense. Instead of rushing the same 3-4 guys, we rush full time from every position and angle with more people. We are also staying fresher by rotating guys in more often (like Kindle, Kruger, and Mcphee on the d-line.)

So the bottom line is that the team seems to have found the right formula, and that Kindle is going to be part of that equation. But like a lot of young guys on the team his role is going to have to keep growing. Make no bones about it that we are really good now, but the team is capable of being great for a long time if these young guys round into form in the next few years.