#1 One Easy Fix For Our Offense, Right Now

[nk02442]

You know, I havent liked cam from the start. Never been a big Flacco fan either as I dont think he has what it takes mentally to rise into a franchise QB. He has shown flashes of promise followed by huge letdowns and poor decsion making for a 3rd/4th year Vet QB. With that being said, what drives me the most insane when the ravens offense takes the field is Clock Management:

Lining up with less than 10 seconds to go. I dont know what the deal is , but the ravens always are lining up late. How can joe have time to read of the defense and make adjustments if we are always scrambling to beat the playclock. Its one of those easy fixes that I feel could win us ball games and has lost games for us in the past (Steelers 43's sack TD last year).

Watch all of the good QB, Brees, Brady, Rogers. They routinley line up with 15-20 seconds left on the play clock. This gives them time to make their adjustments, find mismatches, and audible out of the play. Why are the ravens always so late to line up. This is a HUGE deficency that I cannot fathom why the coaching staff hasent fixed by now. There is no excuse whatsoever to have a delay of game or haveing to take a timeout beacuse you cant get the play off.

Clock management for the ravens is their biggest weakness. They set themselves up to make mistakes and failures by not giving themselves enough time to evaulate the personal and the schemes on the field. How the hell can joe audible out of a play if A. He doesnt have time to read the defences, and B doesnt have enough time to even audible. This is lunacy.

Whether it is cams slow play calling or joe taking his good old time, it needs to be fixed. Over the last 4 years its been the same crap and no improvement. Fix this one thing and it will result in fewer turnovers, and more wins, I gurantee it.

[The Raven]

I agree completely. I don't know what's takin them so long to get set, but it's gotta change.

[marylandmike12]

[b][u]I totally agree we couldve won alot more games but whos fault is it cam or joe[/u][/b]

[flynismo]

Yeah, this is something that rubs a lot of us the wrong way. Needs to be addressed asap.

[Clutch Ravens]

Harbaugh's from the Andy Reid tree of coaching.

Reid's No.1 rule is as follows: "Thou must not manage the clock effectively under any circumstances. If a clock is managed correctly at any time, the perpetrator of good clock management shall be put to death."

[Irish Raven]

Never more evident then the drive in Tennessee when they scored the late FG

Took their sweet time on every snap, what's the delay

[gabefergy]

I dont think clock management is an issue with the Ravens or Harbaugh. He does a good job for the most part. There was a little lack of urgency in the 4th quarter of the Titans game that irked me, but we dont really find ourselves coming from behind too often either.

Now, I do agree with what you are saying about getting to the line faster. I see it as a separate issue from clock management though. I guess it's more of a "play-clock management" issue. I dont understand why we run the offense the way we do, but I'll surmise it has something to do with Cam and perhaps he doesnt want to give away too much. The more time you spend at the line, the more time the defense has to dissect the play as well.

[Guest RBates]

I totally agree, because defenses can then tee off when they know when you have to snap the football. Our offense doesn't try to draw teams off sides or anything just line up, and run or pass.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1318091503' post='818797']
You know, I havent liked cam from the start. Never been a big Flacco fan either as I dont think he has what it takes mentally to rise into a franchise QB. He has shown flashes of promise followed by huge letdowns and poor decsion making for a 3rd/4th year Vet QB. With that being said, what drives me the most insane when the ravens offense takes the field is Clock Management:

Lining up with less than 10 seconds to go. I dont know what the deal is , but the ravens always are lining up late. How can joe have time to read of the defense and make adjustments if we are always scrambling to beat the playclock. Its one of those easy fixes that I feel could win us ball games and has lost games for us in the past (Steelers 43's sack TD last year).

Watch all of the good QB, Brees, Brady, Rogers. They routinley line up with 15-20 seconds left on the play clock. This gives them time to make their adjustments, find mismatches, and audible out of the play. Why are the ravens always so late to line up. This is a HUGE deficency that I cannot fathom why the coaching staff hasent fixed by now. There is no excuse whatsoever to have a delay of game or haveing to take a timeout beacuse you cant get the play off.

Clock management for the ravens is their biggest weakness. They set themselves up to make mistakes and failures by not giving themselves enough time to evaulate the personal and the schemes on the field. How the hell can joe audible out of a play if A. He doesnt have time to read the defences, and B doesnt have enough time to even audible. This is lunacy.

Whether it is cams slow play calling or joe taking his good old time, it needs to be fixed. [u][b]Over the last 4 years its been the same crap and no improvement.[/b][/u] Fix this one thing and it will result in fewer turnovers, and more wins, I gurantee it.
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i agree!

however, it is in reference to "my" viewpoint of what you mention here as being the inconsistency of playing a good offensive game week after week. sure, some games will just get away from you offensively. some things just won't go right offensively (i.e. vs the Jets) but, to me....that type of game should be few and very far between....NOT...nearly every week due to piss-poor offensive game play! three and outs! checkdowns! QB scrambling around like a chicken w/head cut off! dropped passes! Poor QB protection and QB under and overthrows of the WRs. smh!

that is what "i" mean by the same crap and no improvement!!!!

~Mili

[nk02442]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1318094099' post='818835']
I dont think clock management is an issue with the Ravens or Harbaugh. He does a good job for the most part. There was a little lack of urgency in the 4th quarter of the Titans game that irked me, but we dont really find ourselves coming from behind too often either.

Now, I do agree with what you are saying about getting to the line faster. I see it as a separate issue from clock management though. I guess it's more of a "play-clock management" issue. I dont understand why we run the offense the way we do, but I'll surmise it has something to do with Cam and perhaps he doesnt want to give away too much. The more time you spend at the line, the more time the defense has to dissect the play as well.
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I dont know what team you watch, but for the last 4 years i have watched us blow time outs beacuse of mad clock management. That is ithe definition.

Futhermore, they already know who your personal grouping is before you line up. Your not giving anything away they wouldnt already have seen anyway.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1318106757' post='818934']

I dont know what team you watch, but for the last 4 years i have watched us blow time outs beacuse of mad clock management. That is ithe definition.

Futhermore, they already know who your personal grouping is before you line up. Your not giving anything away they wouldnt already have seen anyway.
[/quote]

Honestly, clock management hasnt been bad. I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Blowing timeouts early also isnt a clock management issue per se. It can come back to haunt the team, but when the time on the game clock is winding down I have watched Harbaugh use timeouts wisely. Not sure how you can think otherwise. We have lost timeouts in the past because Harbaugh has made some dumb challenges, but he is far from the bad clock manager Andy Reid or Rex Ryan are.

Also, just because the defense knows your personnel, doesnt mean they know how the players will line up. I'm not saying that is definitively why our O doesnt line up faster, just a thought.

[nk02442]

Calling a timeout when you see a def scheme that you cannot beat is smart

Calling a timeout when you dont have enough time to make adjustments or get the play off is poor clock management. This is what the ravens do constantly. I don't know how else I can say it.

[ravensfan160]

It would be nice if we got to the line soon enough to make the defense declare what they are doing before we snap it but there are a lot of things I would like.

[Raven146]

First half in the Jets game Flacco called 2 time outs because he did not have the play from Cam. How do I know he looks at the game clock turns around to the sideline throws his arms outs to his side with his hands open, waits then throws up the time out. Cam in the end of the games often does not strive to get first downs, willing to allow the defense to end the games. The Jets game was an excellent example of that, 4 3 and out, play call run right , run right , run right punt. There was no attempt to get the first down after they were stopped nor adjustment to change the runs to something else.

[BMORElegacy]

Poor clock management is on the OC. If Cam isn't getting Joe the play, Joe has his hands tied. I hate it too, snapping the ball with 2 seconds left isn't right. Not to mention it tells the Defense exactly when you're snapping the ball.

I wish we did more no-huddle anyway.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1318282341' post='820248']
Poor clock management is on the OC. If Cam isn't getting Joe the play, Joe has his hands tied. I hate it too, snapping the ball with 2 seconds left isn't right. Not to mention it tells the Defense exactly when you're snapping the ball.

I wish we did more no-huddle anyway.
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This ^^^

[omar586]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1318091503' post='818797']
You know, I havent liked cam from the start. Never been a big Flacco fan either as I dont think he has what it takes mentally to rise into a franchise QB. He has shown flashes of promise followed by huge letdowns and poor decsion making for a 3rd/4th year Vet QB. With that being said, what drives me the most insane when the ravens offense takes the field is Clock Management:

Lining up with less than 10 seconds to go. I dont know what the deal is , but the ravens always are lining up late. How can joe have time to read of the defense and make adjustments if we are always scrambling to beat the playclock. Its one of those easy fixes that I feel could win us ball games and has lost games for us in the past (Steelers 43's sack TD last year).

Watch all of the good QB, Brees, Brady, Rogers. They routinley line up with 15-20 seconds left on the play clock. This gives them time to make their adjustments, find mismatches, and audible out of the play. Why are the ravens always so late to line up. This is a HUGE deficency that I cannot fathom why the coaching staff hasent fixed by now. There is no excuse whatsoever to have a delay of game or haveing to take a timeout beacuse you cant get the play off.

Clock management for the ravens is their biggest weakness. They set themselves up to make mistakes and failures by not giving themselves enough time to evaulate the personal and the schemes on the field. How the hell can joe audible out of a play if A. He doesnt have time to read the defences, and B doesnt have enough time to even audible. This is lunacy.

Whether it is cams slow play calling or joe taking his good old time, it needs to be fixed. Over the last 4 years its been the same crap and no improvement. Fix this one thing and it will result in fewer turnovers, and more wins, I gurantee it.
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i hope harbaugh is reading this,

[The Raven]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1318282341' post='820248']
Poor clock management is on the OC. If Cam isn't getting Joe the play, Joe has his hands tied. I hate it too, snapping the ball with 2 seconds left isn't right. Not to mention it tells the Defense exactly when you're snapping the ball.

I wish we did more no-huddle anyway.
[/quote]

Are you positive Cam is getting the play in slow? I'd love to hear your proof on this matter. I'm not saying it's Joe or Cam, but someone is delaying the process. My instinct is to say it's on Flacco. Typically, the offensive coordinator has a plan for every situation on his gameplan, similar to the gameflow option on madden. Offensive coordinators sometimes plan out entire drives. Because of this, I have reason to believe Flacco is the cause of it, especially by the fact I see the offense walking to the line. I think if it was Cam getting the play in late, Flacco would hurry more, but most of the time, I see everyone walking to the line and taking their grand old time.

[Ravenseconbeast]

100% agree.

[3-4ravdef509]

I suspect the many recent changes on offense have something to do with it. Whoever said more no-huddle is dead on.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1318373245' post='821097']
I suspect the many recent changes on offense have something to do with it. Whoever said more no-huddle is dead on.
[/quote]
That was me

[jdynamite]

We do waste too many timeouts because of poor play clock management.... It really annoys me when we waste a time out on like 3rd and 7 then next play we come out throw a drop off pass to a back that gains 2 yds.
I believe we should run a hurry up more often because seem to move the ball well during those rare occasions.

[admartian]

[quote]
#1 One Easy Fix For Our Offense, Right Now
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Megatron.

[BmoreRavens732]

We need to work on the short passin game to give Joe a little more confidence and chemistry with his younger recievers and that's where boldin excels...plus with quick bursts with Torrey they can hook up on slants n shallow crossing routes and with his speed and boldins physical play YAC will excel...that will open up the deep ball for sure especially since D'z are growing weary of torries physical play n speed they are playing off a few yards but with quickies they will play closer and BOOM there goes torrey...we also can use dickson out wide with pitta in at TE or either way but main thing that could open up things is running more then we are

[codizzle]

So some people blame our new pieces as the explanation for our poor clock management. I agree with that.
But then the same people say we need to do more hurry up! Ha if some of our new players cant get it right when we are using a full playclock how they gonna do it in a hurry up set up.

[RedFire]

Defense has less time to adjust to the formation. I think we should incorporate no huddle for change of pace purposes...as should be getting to the line sooner. But lining up w/ 10sees on clock ain't terrible.

[Twistidfunk]

Consistency is a tough thing to maintain in the NFL. Only a few QB's can mangage it and even those that do, it took them a while. Even then, they can throw up an egg from time to time. No one is infallable in the NFL and I think Flacco is a damn good qb. Can he be frustrating? Hell yeah! But he wins a ton of games and we are always in the playoffs. There are a lot of teams that consistently DON'T make playoffs. They would kill for a QB like Flacco.

As for play clock...I don't think stepping to the line with 10 seconds is so bad. That is plenty of time. Make sure you get the right play and everyone on the same page.

If there is anything I would fix in the Offense I would say open up the short and quick passing game. That is something we rarely see. We can't air it out all the time.

[pick6raven]

i completly agree on the poor clock management. but its not just that. cam kept calling pass plays when we were up on the jets by 17. and flacco throws a pick 6. thank God harbaugh mustve got in his ear to quit being cute and un the ball. i thought i was having deja vu of last years loss to pitt in baltimore. maybe pagano could call the offensive plays too? he seems to be the only good play caller we have. yes i still hate cam.

[RAYvenFan20]

Am I the only one who wants to see some kind of hard count?

[The Raven]

[quote name='RAYvenFan20' timestamp='1318774238' post='823924']
Am I the only one who wants to see some kind of hard count?
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I'd like to see that too, but I'd imagine we already use a hard count sometimes. Of course, getting to the line late kind of negates the effect of the hard count.