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Where Is Flacco's Ceiling?

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  1. 1. will flacco reach the level of rodgers,brady,brees,rivers and manning?


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With all the talk this offseason from doubters of Joe i figured this would be the year he would want to prove everyone wrong and take the nfl by storm.He has the weapons,the defense,and the run game to help him become the next breakout qb this year but so far hes gotten off to a rocky start.This is his fourth year in the nfl so i think its more than fair to predict what type of qb he will be for the rest of his career so i want to ask a question.Does anyone believe Joe will come into his own and reach the level of the current top 5 qbs(Rodgers,Brady,Brees,Manning,Rivers)?if so when?if not why?With me being one of his biggest fans it gets hard to see the truth because i still think he'll be better than montana and brady haha so i need to hear some other perspectives.
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I think Joe can eventually be that top 5 QB, the question is when will he get to that point. He has shown improvements every single year in the league. This year for instance, he has shown exceptional pocket awareness but then he has a play Sunday night where he scrambles out of the pocket and had to know he had guys behind him, whoops, a lost fumble. Part of it is Joe needing to improve some facets of his game, he is still having problems reading some types of coverages. He also needs some time to fully get that timing and chemistry with his receivers going, the only receiver he has on the team that has been here with him since his rookie year is Ray. He has been throwing to everyone else for a year (Boldin, Dickson, Pitta) or less (Evans, all the rookie WRs, Leach) so I'm certainly giving them all plenty of time to mesh. Even though I know Joe is taking more control of the offense, a lot of the playcalling doesn't match up with what our personnel that are currently on the field at that moment in my opinion and that aspect is on Cam. For example, if your o-line isn't holding up, stop calling play action and 7 step drops and have your receivers run routes that allow Joe to have a quick release. So in conclusion, I would say Flacco's celing is as high in relation to how much support he has. Ozzie has done a great job of putting the best talent possible around Joe and for Cam to use this year, for once I think we really have a complete offense. But Joe has to continue to improve, his receivers have to continue to improve and Cam has to be able to put these guys in the best position to succeed (which he has done on AND off for his Ravens career). If those 3 things are happening, the sky is the limit for Joe
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He need the work ethic of drew brees. Only then will Joe Flacco be best of the best. For now, he looks to be on the pace to be the next Jay Cutler of the future.
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As long as Cam , runs the offense it will continue to struggle against good defenses. Flacco is only the quarterback , trying to work with Cams offense, that has yet to be effective, in a consistent manner. If we ever get an offensive coordinator that builds the offense around the players talents and not one that that works on paper but is almost impossible to "Execute" constantly, the Ravens offense will continue to have a roller coaster offense.
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I think the 5-7 range is going to be more of Flacco. I don't think he will be better than Rodgers, Brady, and Manning. I think he could be as good as brees or Rivers. I think that his ceiling is from the 4-6 range. But I think he will be in the category as a Big Ben. Hopefully he is a winner. Because that's all I'm worried about
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[quote name='Raven146' timestamp='1317917838' post='817440']
As long as Cam , runs the offense it will continue to struggle against good defenses. Flacco is only the quarterback , trying to work with Cams offense, that has yet to be effective, in a consistent manner. If we ever get an offensive coordinator that builds the offense around the players talents and not one that that works on paper but is almost impossible to "Execute" constantly, the Ravens offense will continue to have a roller coaster offense.
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This.

Although Flacco should really IMO just take charge and change the plays when he doesn't like them. Like Favre would do sometimes. Cam's fatal flaw is adjustment. If he fixes that than I'll have more hope.

Flacco will be elite in his generation, idk about being in the best of all time conversation like Brady and Manning. Time will tell though.
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I say no, those guys are special talents. Joe, at this point doesn't seem like a special talent to me. He can, cartainly lead us to the Super Bowl though. Though, the way his career numbers are trending.. he may just be a special QB.

Looking at guys like Jim Kelly, Phil Sims, Bert Jones, Drew Bledsoe etc... He's on course to surpas them statiscally and maybe win the Big ONE!
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1317920100' post='817467']
I say no, those guys are special talents. Joe, at this point doesn't seem like a special talent to me. He can, cartainly lead us to the Super Bowl though. Though, the way his career numbers are trending.. he may just be a special QB.

Looking at guys like Jim Kelly, Phil Sims, Bert Jones, Drew Bledsoe etc... He's on course to surpas them statiscally and maybe win the Big ONE!
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Your post went from Debbie downer to top of the world....lol
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He reminds me of Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason who were very good franchise QBs.
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[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1317920274' post='817470']

Your post went from Debbie downer to top of the world....lol
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Well , its sort of like this: He's a good QB right now, and IF he continues to improve... He COULD be special, but it's too early to say. If the numbers incrementally improve how they have over the first 3 years, he'll be slightly lower then those guys at his ceiling.
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i put no because i dont know if joe can be on their level i really think its all up to joe. is he gonna continue to go to the side lines and just sit there or is he gonna study tape and discuss with his teammates what to do in certain situations.
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I'm not a Flacco hater but those QB's are some of the great ones. I think it would be unrealistic for anyone to think that a QB would reach their level of success.
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I don't think Flacco has the potential to reach the level of the highest QBs of today. Brady and Manning are two of the best to have ever played and Brees and Rodgers are two incredibly good QBs as well. I think that there's a drop off to the next level of Rivers and Ben and that's the area I would put Joe's potential in.
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[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1317924771' post='817531']
I don't think Flacco has the potential to reach the level of the highest QBs of today. Brady and Manning are two of the best to have ever played and Brees and Rodgers are two incredibly good QBs as well. [b]I think that there's a drop off to the next level of Rivers and Ben and that's the area I would put Joe's potential in.[/b]
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I'd take that all day
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Eh, tough to say....I can guarantee no one thought Brady would be who he is.  I mean, hes better now than he was when the Pats won their 3.  They were more of a complete team then and had Adam V (the real hero back then).  Stats aren't everything, but Bradys numbers were very average early in his career.  Its really been the last 3-4 years (07 on) that his numbers have been nasty!
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No. Its unfair to have Manning and Brady expectations on anyone.

But as long as Cam is here, I can't see him becoming anything more than he is now.
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[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317925078' post='817536']

I'd take that all day
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Yeah, I definitely would too. I would tend to say that he'll fall more in the Roethlisberger area in that any success he has will always be somewhat credited to his defense, maybe not put up eye-popping stats but successful nonetheless.

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1317925204' post='817540']
No. Its unfair to have Manning and Brady expectations on anyone.

But as long as Cam is here, I can't see him becoming anything more than he is now.
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I agree with you about the Cam comment but hypothetically where do you see his ceiling if Cam was to leave?
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Thanks guys for being honest but i still say he could atleast hit rivers and rodgers level.In the right system and with the right attitude he might even be able to look like brees,but like Ravenseonbeast said hed have to want it enough to put in the work brees puts in(for all we know he might already do put in that type of work).The other 2 are hall of famers and was just wishful thinking lol.The thing that seems to be holding him back the most is the mental side of the game.Those top four guys are five steps ahead of the defense before the game even starts and idk why Joe hasnt picked that up more than he has already.The other thing like a couple of you pointed out is his accuracy but i blame that on the lockout and the change over of receivers.The reason i asked this is because these days you need a guy of that caliber to win it all so if he cant even come close then we could be in for alot of playoff heartache.To me he will be a 3800-4200 yds 25-35 td 10-14 int guy which is great but not over the top great or elite.But if he can be consistant game to game and be at his best in the big games then he'll be a elite qb in my book.
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[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1317925759' post='817548']
I agree with you about the Cam comment but hypothetically where do you see his ceiling if Cam was to leave?
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I'm not a big believer in predicting anyones ceiling. I mean how could anyone possible know someones ceiling? Who would have thought Brees would have been as good as he as now, back when he was in San Diego? Who would have thought Brady(who didn't even start in college, and had a pretty average arm at best) would turn out to be one of the best QB's ever? Who would have thought Rogers would be this good? His arm strength has completely transformed since his college days.

Really, what is the logic in knowing someone ceiling?

All I know is, I see an elite QB in the making, given the right OC.
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I had to say no but I hope he proves me wrong. I really really hope he proves me wrong. All those elite QBs are their team leaders. They all put the game in their hands and capitalize...most of the time. I think Flacco will get better and more consistent, I just really hope we dont have a Romo kind of QB here.
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[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1317927105' post='817571']
I'm not a big believer in predicting anyones ceiling. I mean how could anyone possible know someones ceiling? Who would have thought Brees would have been as good as he as now, back when he was in San Diego? Who would have thought Brady(who didn't even start in college, and had a pretty average arm at best) would turn out to be one of the best QB's ever? Who would have thought Rogers would be this good? His arm strength has completely transformed since his college days.

Really, what is the logic in knowing someone ceiling?

All I know is, I see an elite QB in the making, given the right OC.
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Fair enough, I can't really argue about the haziness regarding the ceiling of QBs.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1317917176' post='817434']
He need the work ethic of drew brees. Only then will Joe Flacco be best of the best. For now, he looks to be on the pace to be the next Jay Cutler of the future.
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Look, with this team, he can win five superbowls and be a hall of famer(though it isn't likley). I think he is a pro bowler though
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Joe Flacco will never be a top 5 QB. But who cares?

Was Brady really a top 5 QB when he won those 3 super bowls? Right now he is the best, but back then? Flaccos stats over his first 3 seasons are right on par with Bradys first 3 seasons, where he won first 2 super bowls. In fact they are better. The Patriots didn`t win 3 super bowls on Bradys arm alone. They had a great defense and a balanced offense.

Which is what we need to have to win a super bowl. And not air it out for 60 minutes. We can barely do that against bad teams. When we destroy a team, the game usually have our defenses fingerprints all over it. Not a 400-500 passing yard perfomance by Flacco. He hasn`t thrown for 400 yards in a game yet. Something Cam Newton did in his first start.

Joe Flacco is a game manager. A very good one. But I don`t think can ever carry this team. When the defense fails us, and the running game fails us. Can Flacco carry us to a victory? Maybe if the opponents defense is horrible, but we`ve faced horrible defenses and Flacco has yet to destroy a team in the passing game. I thought he was gonna do that against the Rams in week 3, but after that first quarter he really didn`t play all that well, and ended with around 50% in completion percentage. They tried, because they kept airing it out, but they couldn`t do it. Take away that first quarter and his stats probably looks similar to the once he had this week against the Jets.

Flacco is very inconsistent. Hot and cold, or whatever you want to call it. He has never had a complete game. A game where he was good througout the whole game. Until he can show enough consistensy to complete 1 game. How am I supposed to believe he can be consistent week to week?

When Flacco is good, he is a top 10 qb, when not, he is maybe in the top 20. So right now I would say he is in the 10-15 range.

But who says you have to have a top 5 QB anyway? If Flacco can be consistent in the top 10, I think we can win multiple super bowls with him as our QB.

Hopefully we wont pay Flacco as a top 5 QB, then we might be in trouble.
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In the modern NFL, the real measuring stick for QBs is championships. The Ravens are poised to be a SB contender not only this year, but for years to come. So yes, I think Flacco will be regarded as one of the best because I think he will lead the Ravens to at least 1 Lombardi.
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I say no b/c I still don't think Joe is a student of the game. He has ALL of the physical attributes to be elite, I just don't think he possesses the mental side. I still don't see Joe as a leader. If you look at the names the OP listed, there's no doubt that those guys are the leaders of their team. Joe doesn't seem comfortable in that role. I know, I know that Ray Lewis is the face of the franchise, but heck Joe isn't even the face of the offense. It appears to me that he's comfortable in the role that he's in and if that's the case I don't think he'll ever build himself up to be the mental leader of this team.
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No flacco will never be like Peyton n Brady. He will grow into his own elite self n win this team a superbowl n maybe a few years from now we will be asking if another young very smart n talented QB can reach joes level....joe is our franchise QB n will continue to do great n as for now he's getting used to his new weapons and I give it by week 8 or 9 this will be a breakout offense that Joe runs
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