What Can Torrey Smith Do For The Ravens?

[Romo Ravens]

As we all know, his speed is his best asset. The ability to fly down the field in a hurry is something that the Ravens' offense has always seemed to lack. But watching him last night, it's evident that Torrey can do some other things which seems to bode well for his future. He was running some nice routes, and if Flacco put the ball on the money, Torrey would have beaten Revis for a long TD. Actually, Torrey should have had another monster performance like he did last week in St. Louis, but Flacco failed to get him the ball.

Because his first step and burst is so quick and sudden, he's able to gain seperation from DB's. He has shown a lot of Ravens fans, including myself, that he's working on his hands and he's getting better since his first start. So if Torrey can improve on some the aspects of his game, what do you guys see him as? Just a speed demon that can get down the field and blow the top off of the defense, or a complete WR that can eventually turn into a number one?

[ravens rule]

Torrey will become better as the season goes on. He and Evans are gonna scare defenses.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317672351' post='814729']
As we all know, his speed is his best asset. The ability to fly down the field in a hurry is something that the Ravens' offense has always seemed to lack. But watching him last night, it's evident that Torrey can do some other things which seems to bode well for his future. He was running some nice routes, and if Flacco put the ball on the money, Torrey would have beaten Revis for a long TD. Actually, Torrey should have had another monster performance like he did last week in St. Louis, but Flacco failed to get him the ball.

Because his first step and burst is so quick and sudden, he's able to gain seperation from DB's. He has shown a lot of Ravens fans, including myself, that he's working on his hands and he's getting better since his first start. So if Torrey can improve on some the aspects of his game, what do you guys see him as? Just a speed demon that can get down the field and blow the top off of the defense, or a complete WR that can eventually turn into a number one?
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We could always use his talents for End Arounds.

He'll need to develop his route running more and improve upon catching balls in traffic. But he will probably be used as that deep threat for at least the near future. He has the speed to kill and defenses have to plan for it. If they plan for it, then some other area of our game will be better. If they don't gameplan for it, then see the Rams.

[colljb9]

Torrey smith is going to continue to get better because the natural raw talent is there and his work ethic appears to be one that will not let himself fail. The thing i love right now is i dont think I have seen a play on torrey smith's side of the field where he has not blocked for (note rices 53 yard catch with torrey smith leading the way). As a rookie he'll make his impact in the passing game on some plays, but this guy again as a rookie is proving that he wants to help the ravens in every aspect of the game. Im really excited to see this guy in the texans game hopefully with lee evans and after 2 more weeks of solid practice.

[hawkprey]

Joe hasn't had enough time to practice with Torrey to hit him consistently on deep routes. That chemistry usually takes more than 4 weeks and a shortened offseason. Once he does, Torrey can actually get open and we will have a better deep threat.

Just think of what Torrey AND Evans together can do. Probably end up dropping both safeties and really opening the field.

[AsianRice]

Joe underestimate how fast Torrey is sometimes; the pass in the endzone was so behind Torrey otherwise it would be a TD. The pass to Torrey vs Revis in the deep field was just precautious throw due to Revis on Torrey. When Joe knows Torrey's speed, he'll have a monster game with Torrey.


Torrey is going to be the next Randy Moss

[ROH522155]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1317679894' post='814932']
Joe underestimate how fast Torrey is sometimes; the pass in the endzone was so behind Torrey otherwise it would be a TD. The pass to Torrey vs Revis in the deep field was just precautious throw due to Revis on Torrey. When Joe knows Torrey's speed, he'll have a monster game with Torrey.


Torrey is going to be the next Randy Moss [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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But I thought he was a bust?

[bauer77]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1317675653' post='814815']

[b]We could always use his talents for End Arounds[/b].

He'll need to develop his route running more and improve upon catching balls in traffic. But he will probably be used as that deep threat for at least the near future. He has the speed to kill and defenses have to plan for it. If they plan for it, then some other area of our game will be better. If they don't gameplan for it, then see the Rams.
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I'd like that only if we didn't use him like another Stallworth, more carries than catches.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1317675653' post='814815']

[b]We could always use his talents for End Arounds.[/b]

He'll need to develop his route running more and improve upon catching balls in traffic. But he will probably be used as that deep threat for at least the near future. He has the speed to kill and defenses have to plan for it. If they plan for it, then some other area of our game will be better. If they don't gameplan for it, then see the Rams.
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To say I would be livid would be an understatement.

[ROH522155]

An occasional end around isn't necessarily a bad idea but because of what happened last year, everybody will hate on Cam whenever they see one haha.

And by occasional I mean once every few games maybe.

[kagejb]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317672351' post='814729']So if Torrey can improve on some the aspects of his game, what do you guys see him as? Just a speed demon that can get down the field and blow the top off of the defense, or a complete WR that can eventually turn into a number one?
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I hope he develops into something similar to Mike Wallace; a track star in his first season that utilized his pure speed in games and developed into a capable receiver that complements possession receivers nicely. I have no reason to believe otherwise that he has the potential to attain this level or even go beyond, but we'll have to wait and see for ourselves.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Right now, he's got tons of upside but isn't a finished product. If we just continue to utilize his strengths he will produce. Torrey has a very explosive burst which gives him the ability to get separation from just about anybody. I think Flacco and him just need more time together, so Flacco will know exactly where to put the ball, and know that Torrey will get it. I think Flacco has the ability to "throw him open" as well, he just needs to be more comfortable with it. But anyway he's a very fast very explosive player, a bit unpolished on routes, but he definitely has NFL-level hands which some people questioned. Right now it's just building a repertoire with Joe, he's not always gonna be wide the hell open like he was at the Rams, but he won't need to be.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

I have been thinking about this a lot and the only thing i could come up with is we could become one of the most devasting offenses in a long time. I am talking greatest show on turf good. 07 pats good. You get the point. Bear with me for a second.

One thing we have over those teams is versatility. We can be one of the greatest "ground and pound team in the league" the kind that rex would wake up a new tent if he had. the possibility of a max protect with leach blocking for williams, or rice is not something that anybnody in this league would want to try and line up against and stop on a 3 down basis even the steelers got owned with it and either them or the jets have the best run D in the league (next to us of course) and we have had good ground games on both of them. That in it of itself is scary knowing that you cant stop the run.

Now when we want to humiliate people in the 1st before we grind them out and still just embarrass them we get to the passing game.

I am not sure in what order I would put speed on our team but it owuld be something like:

Torrey
Evans
Reed
Q.

Coincidentally enough people think those are our 4 best receivers, and Tandon definitely makes his case as well but lets just go with the list for a moment.

Have Lee on one side by himself, have a bunch formation with torrey taking the seam, Q on his slants and crosses, and reed running a flag or post route. There are 3 guys who if you get the ball in their hand have the ability to make you pay and one of the best YAC guys in the league. Nobody but the raiders have that kind of speed, they just drafted guys who cant run routes or catch, we did. So we have four burners.

Lee draws the 1 corner probably and the deep safety,

a safety will be on torrey(mismatch all day)

Reed will draw the 2nd corner on his flag so the entire deep middle is cleared out chasing our speed demons.

Q in the slot against a nickel is going to be a huge mismatch all day.

that would be insane.

And that is only one variation that my mind came up with, go ahead dream the possibilities

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1317684676' post='815051']
I have been thinking about this a lot and the only thing i could come up with is we could become one of the most devasting offenses in a long time. I am talking greatest show on turf good. 07 pats good. You get the point. Bear with me for a second.

One thing we have over those teams is versatility. We can be one of the greatest "ground and pound team in the league" the kind that rex would wake up a new tent if he had. the possibility of a max protect with leach blocking for williams, or rice is not something that anybnody in this league would want to try and line up against and stop on a 3 down basis even the steelers got owned with it and either them or the jets have the best run D in the league (next to us of course) and we have had good ground games on both of them. That in it of itself is scary knowing that you cant stop the run.

Now when we want to humiliate people in the 1st before we grind them out and still just embarrass them we get to the passing game.

I am not sure in what order I would put speed on our team but it owuld be something like:

Torrey
Evans
Reed
Q.

Coincidentally enough people think those are our 4 best receivers, and Tandon definitely makes his case as well but lets just go with the list for a moment.

Have Lee on one side by himself, have a bunch formation with torrey taking the seam, Q on his slants and crosses, and reed running a flag or post route. There are 3 guys who if you get the ball in their hand have the ability to make you pay and one of the best YAC guys in the league. Nobody but the raiders have that kind of speed, they just drafted guys who cant run routes or catch, we did. So we have four burners.

Lee draws the 1 corner probably and the deep safety,

a safety will be on torrey(mismatch all day)

Reed will draw the 2nd corner on his flag so the entire deep middle is cleared out chasing our speed demons.

Q in the slot against a nickel is going to be a huge mismatch all day.

that would be insane.

And that is only one variation that my mind came up with, go ahead dream the possibilities
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And also our Tight Ends. Dickson I think has the upside of Jermichael Finley, in that he is a matchup nightmare for linebackers. He's faster than Finley and has similar size and good hands. Pitta is a good compliment to him, and I think we are capable of utilizing them both like the Pats have. Ray Rice is a Do-it-all Marshall Faulk type back. I think he's the best in the league at what he does and should really be the key stone of our offense.

[LouieDaLug]

Torrey showed last week wasn't a fluke.....He would have had 2 TD receptions in this game had Flacco delivered the ball.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='LouieDaLug' timestamp='1317685318' post='815062']
Torrey showed last week wasn't a fluke.....He would have had 2 TD receptions in this game had Flacco delivered the ball.
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Or you know Darrelle "I am the greatest because I will hold you 40 yards down the field" Revis, was not covering him. That should be his new moniker and I started noticing it at the end of last year but he does that to everybody almost every time. I am sure Flacco could be a shutdown CB if he got to tackle people at the LOS. The refs need to stop buying hype and call the game the same for everybody.

[ghost1986]

With both Torrey Smith and Lee Evans on the field, defenses are going to be shaking in their cleats. I can't wait for our Monday night game against the Jags. I personally would like to see Torrey or Lee burn Landry, but I mainly want to see it because I know Chucky's going to be singing Torrey Smith's praises (Along with the rest of our team's) and saying "I like this kid. He's got great speed and he's tough!" and I'll throw in "And don't forget he's a Terrapin"

[ghost1986]

So well put, Army Raven. I could not have said that better myself. I've said it in three other posts: Revis had his hands all over Torrey while the ball was in the air in Torrey's direction and a split second before the ball got there, Revis hooked his arm. He's good, but if the ball was on target, Torrey would have thoroughly embarrassed him.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1317685601' post='815067']

Or you know Darrelle "I am the greatest because I will hold you 40 yards down the field" Revis, was not covering him. That should be his new moniker and I started noticing it at the end of last year but he does that to everybody almost every time. I am sure Flacco could be a shutdown CB if he got to tackle people at the LOS. The refs need to stop buying hype and call the game the same for everybody.
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Ive seen that alot with Revis too. I dont know if he's good at hiding it or refs are just over it. But he plays CB like its 1995.

[Romo Ravens]

I agree with all of you guys. I said this earlier, but I believe Torrey would have had another monster performance had Flacco been able to put the ball on the money. He reminds me of a quicker Roddy White. As long as his hands become solid, he could be extremely dangerous. I also like that little screen play we ran last night. The last time we did that, the play was made for Housh -_______ -

Flacco just needs to get used to the speed. Hopefully that will develop in time.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='kagejb' timestamp='1317682722' post='814993']
I hope he develops into something similar to Mike Wallace; a track star in his first season that utilized his pure speed in games and developed into a capable receiver that complements possession receivers nicely. I have no reason to believe otherwise that he has the potential to attain this level or even go beyond, but we'll have to wait and see for ourselves.
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I was hoping for that when we drafted him. Hell, I would have been content knowing that he was just out there to run 9 routes all day because I was sick of Mason running them. But he's been showing me a lot more in just two starts. The ability to gain seperation, good hands, quick burst, etc. He's a little slower than Wallace, but not a lot is different.

[Militant X 1]

i feel that we just have to continue to try to get the ball to Torrey so that he can become confortable with being a go-to guy along with Boldin and Evans!

~Mili

[T-ray]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1317684676' post='815051']
I have been thinking about this a lot and the only thing i could come up with is we could become one of the most devasting offenses in a long time. I am talking greatest show on turf good. 07 pats good. You get the point. Bear with me for a second.

One thing we have over those teams is versatility. We can be one of the greatest "ground and pound team in the league" the kind that rex would wake up a new tent if he had. the possibility of a max protect with leach blocking for williams, or rice is not something that anybnody in this league would want to try and line up against and stop on a 3 down basis even the steelers got owned with it and either them or the jets have the best run D in the league (next to us of course) and we have had good ground games on both of them. That in it of itself is scary knowing that you cant stop the run.

Now when we want to humiliate people in the 1st before we grind them out and still just embarrass them we get to the passing game.

I am not sure in what order I would put speed on our team but it owuld be something like:

Torrey
Evans
Reed
Q.

Coincidentally enough people think those are our 4 best receivers, and Tandon definitely makes his case as well but lets just go with the list for a moment.

Have Lee on one side by himself, have a bunch formation with torrey taking the seam, Q on his slants and crosses, and reed running a flag or post route. There are 3 guys who if you get the ball in their hand have the ability to make you pay and one of the best YAC guys in the league. Nobody but the raiders have that kind of speed, they just drafted guys who cant run routes or catch, we did. So we have four burners.

Lee draws the 1 corner probably and the deep safety,

a safety will be on torrey(mismatch all day)

Reed will draw the 2nd corner on his flag so the entire deep middle is cleared out chasing our speed demons.

Q in the slot against a nickel is going to be a huge mismatch all day.

that would be insane.

And that is only one variation that my mind came up with, go ahead dream the possibilities
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Can we get this guy hired as our OC?? This plan is remarkable and just about unstoppable, as long as Flacco gets time to find the open man.

[T-ray]

Does anyone see any comparions between Roddy White and Torrey Smith?? I do. Smith has/had questions about his hands/route running coming out of college, just like White did. White didn't do anything major until he got a few years under his belt; many feel that Smith won't do much stats wise for the first few years (I think he can produce stats wise, but I think he's still a project except on deep routes). White has serious speed; Smith has serious speed. Both are just about the same size. And both almost look similar too haha.

Is this farfetched, or do you all see where I went with this?

[CNC]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317672351' post='814729']
As we all know, his speed is his best asset. The ability to fly down the field in a hurry is something that the Ravens' offense has always seemed to lack. But watching him last night, it's evident that Torrey can do some other things which seems to bode well for his future. He was running some nice routes, and if Flacco put the ball on the money, Torrey would have beaten Revis for a long TD. Actually, Torrey should have had another monster performance like he did last week in St. Louis, but Flacco failed to get him the ball.

Because his first step and burst is so quick and sudden, he's able to gain seperation from DB's. He has shown a lot of Ravens fans, including myself, that he's working on his hands and he's getting better since his first start. So if Torrey can improve on some the aspects of his game, what do you guys see him as? Just a speed demon that can get down the field and blow the top off of the defense, or a complete WR that can eventually turn into a number one?
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Only part I ddn't agree with is flacco getting him the ball. Torrey did drop a TD in the 2nd Quarter

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='CNC' timestamp='1317753805' post='815956']
Only part I ddn't agree with is flacco getting him the ball. Torrey did drop a TD in the 2nd Quarter[/quote]

I don't remember that.. Was that when Flacco placed the ball to the side of him and Torrey was able to get one hand on it?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317754023' post='815961']
I don't remember that.. Was that when Flacco placed the ball to the side of him and Torrey was able to get one hand on it?
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Yeah, I'd really like to have a second view at that. Live, during the game, I thought it was placed well behind Torrey (and also tipped), but quite a few here are saying it was a drop. Anyone have a clip of this particular play?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317754169' post='815967']
Yeah, I'd really like to have a second view at that. Live, during the game, I thought it was placed well behind Torrey (and also tipped), but quite a few here are saying it was a drop. Anyone have a clip of this particular play?[/quote]

Yea, Smith tipped it but I think it was a bad throw to start with. Torrey was by himself in the back of the end zone, so maybe Joe just needed to throw it higher. Either way, I wouldn't call that a drop.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317754800' post='815975']
Yea, Smith tipped it but I think it was a bad throw to start with. Torrey was by himself in the back of the end zone, so maybe Joe just needed to throw it higher. Either way, I wouldn't call that a drop.
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I think you're agreeing with me, but not entirely sure I said it was thrown well behind him and when I said "tipped", I meant by a Jet. I think it was actually touched by a Jet DB first, but I may be mistaken.

[-Truth-]

Personally, I thought he could've reeled it in. I don't recall it being tipped, however. The pass was behind Torrey, and while it wouldn't have been the easiest adjustment, he was practically standing still, looked it in the whole way and barely turned his body. It seemed as if he was attempting to catch it with his left hand.