Flacco a.k.a. Jekyll and Hyde?

[Militant X 1]

for all of you cats that keep mentioning Brady's 4 ints in a game to prove that Flacco is doing okay....questions:

how often does Brady throw ints like that in one game? and how does Brady do (overall) against some of the "best" defense in the league?

~Mili

[bmore187]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1317669780' post='814668']

Yes because we all know Tom Brady throws 4 INTs every single game right? And of course we had no problem with it because well..he torched our biggest rival. No one expected him to throw 4 TDs, 450 yards, and no INTs...but your kidding yourself if you haven't seen any inconsistency in Flacco this year.







I'm watching the same game you were obviously. You probably just missed a few..well by the looks of it...every bad pass from Flacco last night. No I'm not going all "edreedfromtheu" on Joe right now. I support him as much as you guys do but the difference I see here is that I'm not afraid to straight up admit when he was a horrid game. Or I'm not afraid to point out the fact that he has had inconsistent performances this year so far and it seems like his accuracy has actually regressed.

Dickson did have a few bad drops but that's not the SOLE reason Flacco's completion percentage was so bad. He's missed a lot of throws not only last night, but the entire season. There were more than a few times we targeted Torrey Smith deep while he WAS open and Flacco failed to put it in there. I'm not saying he should be able to hit it everytime but with the amount of times we targeted the deep throw he should have been able to drop it in there at least once, but he failed to do it obviously. You can use the excuse "but Jets are an elite defense/secondary blah blah" but really...come playoff time, do you really think that excuse is going to slide?

The point I was trying to make is that Flacco has been inconsistent so far this year. Not calling for his head since I'm still fully behind him and want him too succeed like everyone else, but his accuracy is a problem that NEEDS to be fixed soon if we even hope of going deep into the postseason.
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This^^^^^^^

[Ravens Beast]

Can't anyone be satisfied after a whooping of the Jets??? Geeze, it's like we lost 50-0 in here.

Flacco had a bad game against the best secondary in the league...and it's only Joe's 4th year. He has a lot of new weapons as well.
CHILL OUT. He had a bad game. EVERYONE DOES.

[bmore187]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1317670380' post='814679']
for all of you cats that keep mentioning Brady's 4 ints in a game to prove that Flacco is doing okay....questions:

how often does Brady throw ints like that in one game? and how does Brady do (overall) against some of the "best" defense in the league?

~Mili
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Right, everyone fails to mention that in that same game Brady threw for 400 yds and 4 Tds

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1317671178' post='814699']
Right, everyone fails to mention that in that same game Brady threw for 400 yds and 4 Tds
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But here is the important part....THEY LOST

[hawkprey]

Joe's had the hardest schedule of any QB so far with 2 of his top wideouts our most of the time. He's played the #1, #3, #13, and #14 teams in terms of pass defense by QB rating. Surprisingly, the #13 team is Pittsburgh.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1317670380' post='814679']
for all of you cats that keep mentioning Brady's 4 ints in a game to prove that Flacco is doing okay....questions:

how often does Brady throw ints like that in one game? and how does Brady do (overall) against some of the "best" defense in the league?

~Mili
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There is absolutely no comparison between Flacco and Brady. Flacco had the announcers laughing last night with his ring around the posey running. I love my Ravens but you guys have to see it. Joe is just plain awful under pressure. Sure he looks like a champion when he has all day to throw but he looks like Elmer Fudd when he has people in his face. Its sad to say but Joe Flacco does not now nor will he ever have the tools to get us to and also win a Superbowl. In my humble opinion JOE MUST GO!!!

[SecretAgentMan]

If Flacco can be consistant, look out, he is one of the best.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1317661815' post='814434']
His pocket presence is getting a lot better. He was able to move around and extend the play. He made a few bad throws, was working with rookie WRs, Ed Dickson dropped some passes, and not having a completion for over two quarters was poor.

There was some plays he did well and others that weren't great. I expect him to get more consistent when Lee Evans returns and you add a veteran WR. The young recieving corps will get better with time and I expect Dickson to step up.

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Exactly. Flacco played better than the final numbers indicated. I saw at least 5 drops, and there could have been PIs against Revis on that bomb to Smith and on Wilson on the throw to Dickson in the Endzone. Even the INT wasnt completely on Flacco, Rice just stopped his route when Joe clearly expected him to continue. The one play that really stood out as being poor was the sack/fumble.

I am not concerned at all about Flacco's ability moving forward. With Grubbs and Evans hopefully coming back healthy the offense should only improve.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1317670380' post='814679']
for all of you cats that keep mentioning Brady's 4 ints in a game to prove that Flacco is doing okay....questions:

how often does Brady throw ints like that in one game? and how does Brady do (overall) against some of the "best" defense in the league?

~Mili
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Brady had one of the worst games of his career against the Jets in the playoffs last season.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1317645334' post='814053']

I'm as big as a Flacco supporter as anyone. But you can't blame the guy for posting this. Granted we did play a great D, but it was the second game Flacco has struggled. A win is all that is important right now, but we need consistency to be able to win the division and do what we want to do.
To answer the question, I think Flacco will rebound. He has shown inconsistency early in the season before, but will turn it around. The last 3/4 or so of last season was really good for him. I believe over 100 rating. Also a lot of it is due to play calling, yesterday was just called wrong by Cam and Flacco couldn't do anything with what little he was given. With Evans hopefully back soon, and the young receivers progressing, he should come around. But poor performances should be expected after being locked out, and having so many new offensive pieces.
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I'll give you Tennessee, I don't know what was up in that game and Joe should have been better. But the Jets, come on, we know they're one of the best passing defenses in the league. Derelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie may be the best cornerback tandem in the game, and we all know how good players like Leonard and Scott are, plus Rex Ryan is one of the most gifted defensive masterminds out there. Joe had a bad night, but still managed to play enough mistake free football that we won. That's all we should care about. If he struggles against weaker defenses, then I will be concerned, but the fact is he's played Rex Ryan twice and managed to come away with the win, which not many quarterbacks can say. I think Joe is allowed to have an off game or two during the course of a season, and what I get so upset about is that we just won the game, a game we knew would be one of the toughest on our schedule, and all people want to do is complain. If any one of the complainers could name one legitimate replacement for Joe who would be better, then I'd be all for it, but as far as I can see, he's the best quarterback available by a wide margin. If Joe plays like this against Houston, Jacksonville, and Arizona, then I will be concerned. But people need to stop acting like every time Joe doesn't have a passer rating over 100 that it's time to go in a new direction.

[callahan09]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1317672958' post='814743']
There is absolutely no comparison between Flacco and Brady. Flacco had the announcers laughing last night with his ring around the posey running. I love my Ravens but you guys have to see it. Joe is just plain awful under pressure. Sure he looks like a champion when he has all day to throw but he looks like Elmer Fudd when he has people in his face. Its sad to say but Joe Flacco does not now nor will he ever have the tools to get us to and also win a Superbowl. In my humble opinion JOE MUST GO!!!
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Absolutely ridiculous. "JOE MUST GO!!!"? You can't be serious.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1317677376' post='814863']

I'll give you Tennessee, I don't know what was up in that game and Joe should have been better. But the Jets, come on, we know they're one of the best passing defenses in the league. Derelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie may be the best cornerback tandem in the game, and we all know how good players like Leonard and Scott are, plus Rex Ryan is one of the most gifted defensive masterminds out there. Joe had a bad night, but still managed to play enough mistake free football that we won. That's all we should care about. If he struggles against weaker defenses, then I will be concerned, but the fact is he's played Rex Ryan twice and managed to come away with the win, which not many quarterbacks can say. I think Joe is allowed to have an off game or two during the course of a season, and what I get so upset about is that we just won the game, a game we knew would be one of the toughest on our schedule, and all people want to do is complain. If any one of the complainers could name one legitimate replacement for Joe who would be better, then I'd be all for it, but as far as I can see, he's the best quarterback available by a wide margin. If Joe plays like this against Houston, Jacksonville, and Arizona, then I will be concerned. But people need to stop acting like every time Joe doesn't have a passer rating over 100 that it's time to go in a new direction.
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Granted the game is about winning and losing-but it's the same thing every year. Now it's Joes 4th year and so far his 2 off games this year have been as bad of a QB showing I have ever seen. Great QBs win games against great defenses and they do it all the time maybe not every time but they do win and last night if it wasn't for our great defense Joe would have lost that game., I have seen Joe Flacco make the worst mistakes at the worst time for years. I wish everyone would stop pretending. At the beginning of the year Joe made the ridiculous boast that " I'm pretty damn good". Well from my vantage point hes pretty damn good when he has all the time he needs in the pocket to find an open receiver--oh and by the way, he' pretty damn good at folding up like a lawn chair under pressure, and pretty damn good at throwing the most ridiculous interceptions and did I mention he's pretty damn good at fumbling at the most inopportune time? Did you see his effort at tacking the guy he threw the interception too? I got a huge guffaw from that blunder. If it had been me I would have broken a leg to try and stop that guy from getting in the end zone. I promise before this year is over every Raven in Maryland will be yelling JOE MUST GO!

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1317681301' post='814964']
Granted the game is about winning and losing-but it's the same thing every year. Now it's Joes 4th year and so far his 2 off games this year have been as bad of a QB showing I have ever seen. Great QBs win games against great defenses and they do it all the time maybe not every time but they do win and last night if it wasn't for our great defense Joe would have lost that game., I have seen Joe Flacco make the worst mistakes at the worst time for years. I wish everyone would stop pretending. At the beginning of the year Joe made the ridiculous boast that " I'm pretty damn good". Well from my vantage point hes pretty damn good when he has all the time he needs in the pocket to find an open receiver--oh and by the way, he' pretty damn good at folding up like a lawn chair under pressure, and pretty damn good at throwing the most ridiculous interceptions and did I mention he's pretty damn good at fumbling at the most inopportune time? Did you see his effort at tacking the guy he threw the interception too? I got a huge guffaw from that blunder. If it had been me I would have broken a leg to try and stop that guy from getting in the end zone. [b]I promise before this year is over every Raven in Maryland will be yelling JOE MUST GO![/b]
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I promise that this won't happen... just like every other prediction you've made

[Greatness]

QUICK! SOMEONE GET TROY SMITH ON THE PHONEZ!

[Alexir]

I know Flacco played bad but wheres all the criticism on Boldin?

Dude couldn't get any separation what so ever and is the 2nd slowest guy out there catching the ball right behind Vonta Leach.

It was frustrating though to see Flacco over/under throwing Torrey down field but it made me happy that we actually tried going downfield like that. Joe and Dickson need to get on the same page too. 4 catches on 12 targets isn't good enough.

Ray Rice didn't do much on the ground averaging under 3 yards a carry, so what this thread should be called is Ravens Offense a.k.a. Jekyll and Hyde.

This is why I didn't forgive Cam Cameron last week like most of you, we can't seem to get our offense going against good secondaries.

[Alexir]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1317681301' post='814964']
Granted the game is about winning and losing-but it's the same thing every year. Now it's Joes 4th year and so far his 2 off games this year have been as bad of a QB showing I have ever seen. Great QBs win games against great defenses and they do it all the time maybe not every time but they do win and last night if it wasn't for our great defense Joe would have lost that game., I have seen Joe Flacco make the worst mistakes at the worst time for years. I wish everyone would stop pretending. At the beginning of the year Joe made the ridiculous boast that " I'm pretty damn good". Well from my vantage point hes pretty damn good when he has all the time he needs in the pocket to find an open receiver--oh and by the way, he' pretty damn good at folding up like a lawn chair under pressure, and pretty damn good at throwing the most ridiculous interceptions and did I mention he's pretty damn good at fumbling at the most inopportune time? Did you see his effort at tacking the guy he threw the interception too? I got a huge guffaw from that blunder. If it had been me I would have broken a leg to try and stop that guy from getting in the end zone. I promise before this year is over every Raven in Maryland will be yelling JOE MUST GO!
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You most break a lot of promises. I promise you it would be CAM MUST GO! if anything.

[wizard1]

Well maybe not every Raven-I forgot some of them don't speak English or speak at all for that matter but if they could I can almost hear the sqwaking now-sqwaak skwaak. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img]

[wizard1]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1317682020' post='814973']
I know Flacco played bad but wheres all the criticism on Boldin?

Dude couldn't get any separation what so ever and is the 2nd slowest guy out there catching the ball right behind Vonta Leach.

It was frustrating though to see Flacco over/under throwing Torrey down field but it made me happy that we actually tried going downfield like that. Joe and Dickson need to get on the same page too. 4 catches on 12 targets isn't good enough.

Ray Rice didn't do much on the ground averaging under 3 yards a carry, so what this thread should be called is Ravens Offense a.k.a. Jekyll and Hyde.

This is why I didn't forgive Cam Cameron last week like most of you, we can't seem to get our offense going against good secondaries.
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Truth be said right there dude-it is a team sport but everything starts and ends with the QB and in my opinion Flacco is a mix between John Unitas and Gomer Pyle

[counts52]

wizard1-who would you replace joe with?

[wizard1]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1317682072' post='814974']

You most break a lot of promises. I promise you it would be CAM MUST GO! if anything.
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Ok I'm down with that - [size=5][b]Cam and Joe must go[/b][/size][img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_shemademe-2.gif[/img]

[wizard1]

[quote name='counts52' timestamp='1317682889' post='814996']
wizard1-who would you replace joe with?
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I would bring in David Garrad and play T. Taylor-at least he can avoid the pressure and doesn't turn into pudding when he is under attack!

[Alexir]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1317682667' post='814991']
Truth be said right there dude-it is a team sport but everything starts and ends with the QB and in my opinion Flacco is a mix between John Unitas and Gomer Pyle
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He's not that bad. I don't think he is elite but I think he is a serviceable QB who is still trying to get on the same page with his receiving corps. I would take him over anyone in the AFC East (Brady wouldn't survive a snap with this offensive line), anyone in the AFC South (Right now) and anyone in the AFC West not named Phillip Rivers (even he isn't having a great year).

He is better than a lot of other QBs out there and I think you will only see his real skill set when he gets help at the QB coach and offensive coordinator position.

[Alexir]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1317683049' post='815003']
I would bring in David Garrad and play T. Taylor-at least he can avoid the pressure and doesn't turn into pudding when he is under attack!
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Joe has been doing much better this year evading the pass rush.

David Garrard is still a free agent. If you cut Joe Flacco, 31 teams will put a waiver in for him because he has the tangibles and the arm to play in this league, he just hasn't done it consistently. You are too hard on the guy.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1317683095' post='815005']

He's not that bad. I don't think he is elite but I think he is a serviceable QB who is still trying to get on the same page with his receiving corps. I would take him over anyone in the AFC East (Brady wouldn't survive a snap with this offensive line), anyone in the AFC South (Right now) and anyone in the AFC West not named Phillip Rivers (even he isn't having a great year).

He is better than a lot of other QBs out there and I think you will only see his real skill set when he gets help at the QB coach and offensive coordinator position.
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Right now, he's arguably a better bet than anyone in the AFC North too.

[Alexir]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1317683298' post='815013']
Right now, he's arguably a better bet than anyone in the AFC North too.
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Agreed! I don't know whats going on with Big Ben but with his receiving corps, he should be playing a lot better!

NFC West is another division to add there too.

Can't say NFC North (Rodgers), East (Vick) or south (Brees) though lol

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1317683244' post='815011']

Joe has been doing much better this year evading the pass rush.

David Garrard is still a free agent. If you cut Joe Flacco, 31 teams will put a waiver in for him because he has the tangibles and the arm to play in this league, he just hasn't done it consistently. You are too hard on the guy.
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Your right, as irrelevent as I am, he is right, if Flacco can get some consistancy than the Ravens will be legit superbowl contenders. Now (for the Irrelevent Part) bring in Burfect, start practicing, and treat every opponet like Pitsburgh Joe, we need to win more games. Andre Johnson is the best in the game, and he is hurt. Tear up ther secondary. Consistancy can come through practice, what Joe needs.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1317683417' post='815019']

Agreed! I don't know whats going on with Big Ben but with his receiving corps, he should be playing a lot better!

NFC West is another division to add there too.

Can't say NFC North (Rodgers), East (Vick) or south (Brees) though lol
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I may be being hard on Flacco but I want Superbowl winners here in Baltimore our defensive guys deserve it they are all beasts!!! and I know we will never win a Superbowl with Flacco so why put it off? Flacco is an inconsistent guy who wont even fight hard enough to try and tackle someone who intercepted him and ran right through him for a touchdown last night-that made me gag!

[mdrsharon]

I would not replace Joe - at this point, he is still "learning".
Every QB in the league is pretty inconsistent. Yes, it is annoying to watch,usually the draw play every first down, but sometimes it actually works and he comes out passing. Joe seems to fit well into Harbaugh's master game plan - I think that is the key, as poor Joe doesn't have the killer mentality, so he needs to be guided.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1317670380' post='814679']
for all of you cats that keep mentioning Brady's 4 ints in a game to prove that Flacco is doing okay....questions:

how often does Brady throw ints like that in one game? and how does Brady do (overall) against some of the "best" defense in the league?

~Mili
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How often does Brady actually play one of the best defenses? Not too often. Just look at their division. And how have the Patriots fared in the playoffs when they DO have to face those defenses? Oh, not so well. Instead of bashing Flacco for one bad game I'm more inclined to be grateful that we have an overall pretty darn good team which means we can come out of a game where our O doesn't play well with a win. Just as we came out with a win when our D didn't play well vs the Bills last season. Without Flacco and our O we lose that game.