Flacco a.k.a. Jekyll and Hyde?

[bmore187]

Weeks 1 & 3 (vs Steelers at Rams)

44 for 77 613 yds 6 Td's 0 int's (2-0) W-L

Weeks 2 & 4 (at Titans vs Jets)

25 for 63 360 yds 1 Td 3 int's (1-1) W-L


will Flacco turn it around or will we have inconsistency throughout the season?

[Milton145]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1317634139' post='813997']
Look brother, please do yourself a huge favor and S T F U! We won for crying out loud. You bashers will never be pleased. What do you want?? Golden Boy.performance with 4 Tds and still lose??
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No he just wants his QB to be consistent..don't we all ?

[Ravenslifer]

@bmore187 Are you an Elvis Grbac or Chris Redman fan? Are you a Rex Ryan fan that thinks he is the "real" head coach of the Ravens? What more do you want? We won. We're 3-1. We dominated the Steelers and the Jets, two teams every "expert" in the offseason picked to finish over us. Get out of your fantasy football world. This isn't a pretty game. Sometimes you play well, and sometimes you don't. Bottom line: we won, and won big. We've shown we can pass on teams, and run on teams. We have a good passing defense and a good run defense. We are a tough team to beat, no matter what unit or player is having an off night. Focus on that. And like I said, watch some film from about 2001-2005. Then you'll gain a much better appreciation for what a 4th year quarterback could do that established veterans (and Kyle Boller, the guy Ozzie gave up a first round draft pick for) couldn't.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1317635367' post='813998']

No he just wants his QB to be consistent..don't we all ?
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The guy played maybe the best passing defense in the league. When he torched the Steelers, nobody on this board seemed to have a problem. Maybe you'd rather have the "consistent" Tom Brady and his four INTs vs the Bills?

[Renediffie]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1317635628' post='814000']

The guy played maybe the best passing defense in the league. When he torched the Steelers, nobody on this board seemed to have a problem. Maybe you'd rather have the "consistent" Tom Brady and his four INTs vs the Bills?
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Who in his right mind wouldnt rather have Brady than Flacco?

[T-ray]

[quote name='Renediffie' timestamp='1317636752' post='814006']


Who in his right mind wouldnt rather have Brady than Flacco?[/quote]

Went right over your head, now didn't it???

[TXRaven]

Not to worried about it. I had a little issue that we were still throwing the ball with a big lead, but I will get over that since we dominated the Jets and got the W. The Jets are a much better defensive group than the Rams and the were healthier than the Steelers in week one. Remember Joe dropped some beautiful passes right into Dicksons hands that were not caught 3-1 going into the bye and that is what matters most.

[BmoreRavens732]

I got a question for all the flacco haters who want fantasy numbers every game....I know it's the jets n they can't play the ravens in the superbowl but say that game was the bowl n flacco put those same numbers up? Would u guys be sittin here still killin Joe or actually be happy we won? Smh flacco can't stop TE's n WR's from droppin perfectly place catchable passes n it's not his fault Ray rice stopped on his route on the INT...come on now!!!

[CorvusCorax]

There were some key throws that were dropped. Ed Dickson should've had a superstar day, not Flacco's fault. Is he Aaron Rodgers? No, but he's certainly a lot better than other QBs out there and certainly the best QB our franchise has had so far.

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1317635367' post='813998']

No he just wants his QB to be consistent..don't we all ?
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I am with you on this one but at the same time, it's not like Joe was going against the Rams defense out there last night. The Jets secondary will give any quarterback nightmares, not just Joe.

Overall though, a win is a win. Get the team some rest for the next week and give us the fans a week to enjoy of not having to bite our nails.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Renediffie' timestamp='1317636752' post='814006']


Who in his right mind wouldnt rather have Brady than Flacco?
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Totally missed my point dude. Brady is the best quarterback in the league, especially with Manning out right now. He'd beaten the Bills like 20 times in a row or some ridiculous number like that. And they made him look bad. What was supposed to be a gimme for the Patriots turned into a loss, and a lot of it was Brady's fault. Does that mean he's a bad quarterback? No, it means he had an off night. Joe had an off night, but still managed to not make too many critical mistakes, is my point. Brady's mistakes cost his team the game, but I don't hear anyone calling for his head. Now obviously Flacco is not Brady, and may never get to Brady's level, but he's earned the right to have off games and not have every fan on this board questioning his right to be the Baltimore Ravens starting qb, especially since all I ever hear is "Is Flacco the quarterback to lead us, should we get someone else" blah blah blah, and nobody comes out and gives me someone who can replace Flacco. We won, we beat what was supposed to be a contender, and now we move on. Flacco will be better. But the one thing I can't stand is "fans" who only show up on this board to bash one or more players when they play poorly, especially when [u]we won[/u]. And in case people forgot, Rex Ryan managed to make both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning look pretty average last year, Brady twice. Brady had 4 ints all last season, and the two teams he coughed the ball up to were: the Ravens and the Jets.

[BmoreRavens732]

@ravenslifer: I'm with u 100% man...it's like these so called fans want fantasy numbers from Joe every week smh I seriously just laff at em lol we had boldin on revis island n a bunch of rookies to play with not to mention all the dropped passes from our recievers n tightends but once these flacco haters set there mind to hatin on him they don't look at what plays into it

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1317635367' post='813998']

No he just wants his QB to be consistent..don't we all ?
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Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game. We had inexperienced WRs going against top notch CBs. Dickson dropped quite a few perfect passes. Rice stopped on his route which led to the INT. The Jets were getting some serious pressure on Flacco because NO ONE WAS OPEN. Yes, Flacco tried forcing some to make something happen. Yes, we looked good in the first quarter because we used Rice as a decoy. That sort of thing only works for so long though. We have a lot of new faces on offense. We aren't going to look as streamlined as the Patriots after only 4 games. Sorry folks. It's the NFL and doesn't work that way. We ran the ball like everyone wanted and what happened? 3rd and 9 and the Jets' brought the house. Hello hit on Flacco and fumble. We ran the ball again and what happened? Hello Ricky Williams fumble. These things happened because we played scared and made ourselves one dimensional on offense. Thankfully our D had the game well in hand.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1317635539' post='813999']
@bmore187 Are you an Elvis Grbac or Chris Redman fan? Are you a Rex Ryan fan that thinks he is the "real" head coach of the Ravens? What more do you want? We won. We're 3-1. We dominated the Steelers and the Jets, two teams every "expert" in the offseason picked to finish over us. Get out of your fantasy football world. This isn't a pretty game. Sometimes you play well, and sometimes you don't. Bottom line: we won, and won big. We've shown we can pass on teams, and run on teams. We have a good passing defense and a good run defense. We are a tough team to beat, no matter what unit or player is having an off night. Focus on that. And like I said, watch some film from about 2001-2005. Then you'll gain a much better appreciation for what a 4th year quarterback could do that established veterans (and Kyle Boller, the guy Ozzie gave up a first round draft pick for) couldn't.
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I'm as big as a Flacco supporter as anyone. But you can't blame the guy for posting this. Granted we did play a great D, but it was the second game Flacco has struggled. A win is all that is important right now, but we need consistency to be able to win the division and do what we want to do.
To answer the question, I think Flacco will rebound. He has shown inconsistency early in the season before, but will turn it around. The last 3/4 or so of last season was really good for him. I believe over 100 rating. Also a lot of it is due to play calling, yesterday was just called wrong by Cam and Flacco couldn't do anything with what little he was given. With Evans hopefully back soon, and the young receivers progressing, he should come around. But poor performances should be expected after being locked out, and having so many new offensive pieces.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1317640587' post='814029']


Totally missed my point dude. Brady is the best quarterback in the league, especially with Manning out right now. He'd beaten the Bills like 20 times in a row or some ridiculous number like that. And they made him look bad. What was supposed to be a gimme for the Patriots turned into a loss, and a lot of it was Brady's fault. Does that mean he's a bad quarterback? No, it means he had an off night. Joe had an off night, but still managed to not make too many critical mistakes, is my point. Brady's mistakes cost his team the game, but I don't hear anyone calling for his head. Now obviously Flacco is not Brady, and may never get to Brady's level, but he's earned the right to have off games and not have every fan on this board questioning his right to be the Baltimore Ravens starting qb, especially since all I ever hear is "Is Flacco the quarterback to lead us, should we get someone else" blah blah blah, and nobody comes out and gives me someone who can replace Flacco. We won, we beat what was supposed to be a contender, and now we move on. Flacco will be better. But the one thing I can't stand is "fans" who only show up on this board to bash one or more players when they play poorly, especially when [u]we won[/u]. And in case people forgot, Rex Ryan managed to make both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning look pretty average last year, Brady twice. Brady had 4 ints all last season, and the two teams he coughed the ball up to were: the Ravens and the Jets.
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Perfectly said, sir....perfectly said!

OP - Oh yeah, its Jekyll (missing an "l"). Had to point it out to further show my distaste for this thread!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1317645334' post='814053']


I'm as big as a Flacco supporter as anyone. But you can't blame the guy for posting this. Granted we did play a great D, but it was the second game Flacco has struggled. A win is all that is important right now, but we need consistency to be able to win the division and do what we want to do.
To answer the question, I think Flacco will rebound. He has shown inconsistency early in the season before, but will turn it around. The last 3/4 or so of last season was really good for him. I believe over 100 rating. Also a lot of it is due to play calling, yesterday was just called wrong by Cam and Flacco couldn't do anything with what little he was given. With Evans hopefully back soon, and the young receivers progressing, he should come around. But poor performances should be expected after being locked out, and having so many new offensive pieces.
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We can blame anyone we want when at any sliver of a poor performance, the guy (Flacco) gets berated. Go look at Brees' day/stats and see that they still won. Bad games happen, get over it!

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317645653' post='814058']
We can blame anyone we want when at any sliver of a poor performance, the guy (Flacco) gets berated. Go look at Brees' day/stats and see that they still won. Bad games happen, get over it!
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I guess when Boller had a game we should have just gotten over it.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1317646666' post='814077']


I guess when Boller had a game we should have just gotten over it.
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Yeah, that makes complete sense since Boller and Flacco are the same player and have both had the early success in their respective careers.

If this becomes recurring, yes Flacco should be looked at for sole blame of our shortcomings! BUT an off game by a 4th year QB is expected and not a typical showing for him. But, then again, that means squat to some of you and you just don't get it.

[izvoodoo]

I'm not worried, as I didn't expect our receivers to do well against the jets. I expected more from Dickson, but 2nd year players can have some drops.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Flacco has a couple of bad games a season statistically speaking. That's one of them and Tennessee is probably the other. Not to mention that his incomplete passes were almost always in a catchable radius and once again he was victim of numerous drops. The pick was terrible but aside of that I'm not hugely concerned about his performance.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317647006' post='814084']
[b]Yeah, that makes complete sense since Boller and Flacco are the same player[/b] and have both had the early success in their respective careers.
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About as much sense as Flacco being the same player as Brees.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1317648055' post='814108']


About as much sense as Flacco being the same player as Brees.
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That's cool and all, but I never said Flacco was Brees. So, yeah, completely invalid point (or attempt at one). Im assuming you think Flacco is equal to Boller, and for that, I am sorry for you!

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317645653' post='814058']
We can blame anyone we want when at any sliver of a poor performance, the guy (Flacco) gets berated. Go look at Brees' day/stats and see that they still won. Bad games happen, get over it!
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Definitely far from just one person's fault. A performance like that is a joint effort, and credit is due to a greatly coached defense with great personnel.
But nothing to get over for me, I'm not hung up on the game. Why would I be, we blew out a great team. Bye week to "look forward to". Can't wait for the Texans game.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317648240' post='814113']
That's cool and all, but I never said Flacco was Brees. So, yeah, completely invalid point (or attempt at one). Im assuming you think Flacco is equal to Boller, and for that, I am sorry for you!
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I never said Flacco was Boller.

[LouieDaLug]

Hey I'm a Flacco fan, I think he's good enough to take us to the Super Bowl, but I believe even Flac would admit he stunk up the joint in two games so far this season. Last night was even more of an anomaly in that Flac is usually lights out at home with almost all of his struggles coming in road games.

Last night after he fumbled Joe seemed to lose all confidence in himself. His body language was horrible....he looked dejected and played like it. He's gotta work on his confidence and body language when things aren't going well for him.

Nothing wrong IMHO for pointing out facts and the facts are two very bad games from Flacco so far this season. He's still gonna lead us to the Super Bowl, but he's gotta be much more consistent from this point on.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1317648585' post='814122']


I never said Flacco was Boller.
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Okay, so we have uncovered that Flacco is not Boller and Flacco is not Brees. He's a 4th year QB with a stingy defense, a big arm, off games (as any 4th year QB has), great RB behind him and now a bye week ahead of him to forget about this game. Perfect....

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317648737' post='814126']
Okay, so we have uncovered that Flacco is not Boller and Flacco is not Brees. He's a 4th year QB with a stingy defense, a big arm, off games (as any 4th year QB has), great RB behind him and now a bye week ahead of him to forget about this game. Perfect....
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We're all Ravens fans here but we're not always going to see eye to eye, you don't have to pull your hair out because somebody says what they think.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317648737' post='814126']

Okay, so we have uncovered that Flacco is not Boller and Flacco is not Brees. He's a 4th year QB with a stingy defense, a big arm, off games (as any 4th year QB has), great RB behind him and now a bye week ahead of him to forget about this game. Perfect....
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Yup... time to rest, get healthy, and focus on stopping Foster and the Texans in 2 weeks.

[Twistidfunk]

he wasn't playing well but you got to remember the Jets defense is still pretty good. They get after the qb.

One thing I like about Joe this season is his scrambling. Much improved. Just got to tuck the ball when doing it.

[lowrider]

Having an elite qb on this team would great. And hopefully Flacco at some point turns into that elite qb, but at this point he isn't. He is still inconsistent, and so is our entire offense for that matter. Receivers had some drops, offensive line was streaky, and Flacco just made some bad decisions. But there are games were our offense picks up our defense (last year there are more examples of that), and it just depends on the matchups we play.

The most important question is: Can we rely on our offense when we need them to? In my opinion, it's hard to say no. Sure they are inconsistent, but there is no team with the Jets pass defense and a powerhouse offense. Our offense is built to matchup with every team.

Now does our pass defense struggle with elite qb's and elite receivers? Yes. Does Flacco and our offense struggle against cover two and elite defenses? Yes. It's easy to point at Flacco and say "If you didn't make mistakes then we would win", which is true. But a team that relies on one player is relying too much on one player. We need a qb who can make plays at the end of the game. Flacco can do that. Our team doesn't fully rely on Flacco, but in my opinion, that is better than just a team with an elite qb and relies completely on them. Because those teams have glaring weaknesses and the ravens can beat those teams because of how we are built.