Rex, Suggs, Lewis, And Jj

[beasy2487]

For all the talking and tough play... how awesome was it to see those four re-unite at the end?

[D_UP]

I been reading about how all week long Rex been gushing over jj and its my guess that if we don't resign jj he will be a jet next year. Just my opinion.

[BMOREHAWAII]

I hope we re-sign him, He's true Raven bloodline. I remember him taking a paycut 2 years ago to stay in Baltimore.

[nk02442]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1317626025' post='813974']
I hope we re-sign him, He's true Raven bloodline. I remember him taking a paycut 2 years ago to stay in Baltimore.
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Right on. Cut forxworth and there is more than enough there to make JJ happy. We need to lock this guy up for the long term, expecially if Ray retires in the next year or 2. Having JJ and Suggs there to help guide the young backers will be crucial.

I think players may hesitate to run to rex like they did in years past. He hasnt made the SB in the two years hes promised and I dont know if the jets will even make the playoffs this year the way the Pats and the Bills are playing. Bart Scott, like the A. Thomas were really a product of the ravens system. Take them out of it and they are average at best. I do miss Jim Lenord though, he is a hell of a saftey when healthy.

[True]

I thought it was a great moment. I saw a bit of his press conference and he looked broken up almost a hint of sadness when talking about the Ravens. You could tell how bad he wanted to still be a part of the Ravens.

He gets a lot of hate here, but Rex wil always be a Raven to me.

[H8R]

Nope... Not in Purple and Black, not a Raven. Sorry Rex, dont write checks with your mouth that your........ cant cash.
Pags was glad to show you the Ravens D is back and maybe BIG MAYBE better then ever. I wish Jimmy could have been playing all this time to pick up some experience.

[colljb9]

We need JJ, hes healthy this year and is really playing well. We know he's not a pass rusher which is why we brought in all these defensive lineman and linebackers who are coming up big. We should not let JJ go just because one part of his game is slightly limited but as we have seen already, Ngata and suggs are enough but when you add kurger and mcphee along with pollard, reed, webb, and cary williams off the edge our blitzes and normal pass rush looks fine. JJ is an above average linebacker who solidifies that side of the defense and is a great teacher. Im more worried about whose going to replace our middle linebacker spot because we need a guy to step in. Mcclain and ellerbe play well because they play next to Lewis, not because they are great talents.

[nk02442]

Yea did you see JJ chasing down LT and Geen to the flats. They coudlnt get around him. JJ looks better then ever.

He already took a huge paycut to stay here, he has earned a decent payday and knows if he goes somewhere else he wont be as productive like BS and AT.

[JO_75]

As much as I would like to see Kindle or Kruger take over and us not re-signing JJ, I would rather us re-sign JJ with a good payday, make him a Raven for life and rotate him with Kruger & Kindle to keep him healthy during the season.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1317622132' post='813941']
For all the talking and tough play... how awesome was it to see those three re-unite at the end?
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It was cool, but honestly i kinda felt bad for Rex , you could tell he was pissed. But hey , better him than us.

[colljb9]

JJ is 30 years old, lets give him a decent 3 year payday to make him retire happy at the end of his career in baltimore. We need to get younger but with reed and lewis leaving soon JJ's leadership will really make a difference in these next couple of years as we try to find replacements for those guys in the next couple of drafts.

[Bullrush]

Well he just turned 30, and for most of his career he was just a situational pass rusher. He can easily play another 5-6 years at a very high level. He's like a Willie McGinest. In my opinion the best run defender in the league. He always sets the edge, he takes on 2 guys to allow our other linebackers to make the tackles. People don't see that. They see the stat sheet and that he averages just a couple tackles per game but the fact is that he's probably the key to our run defense, him and Ngata of course. Those guys tie up up to 4 defenders on a play. JJ is almost like a nose tackle playing LB, that's his job. And he does it better than anybody else in the league. We can't afford to lose him.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1317716916' post='815446']
Well he just turned 30, and for most of his career he was just a situational pass rusher. He can easily play another 5-6 years at a very high level. He's like a Willie McGinest. In my opinion the best run defender in the league. He always sets the edge, he takes on 2 guys to allow our other linebackers to make the tackles. People don't see that. They see the stat sheet and that he averages just a couple tackles per game but the fact is that he's probably the key to our run defense, him and Ngata of course. Those guys tie up up to 4 defenders on a play. JJ is almost like a nose tackle playing LB, that's his job. And he does it better than anybody else in the league. We can't afford to lose him.
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This^^^^^

Would be very upsetting to lose him

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1317716916' post='815446']
Well he just turned 30, and for most of his career he was just a [b]situational pass rusher[/b]. He can [b]easily play another 5-6 years at a very high level.[/b] He's like a Willie McGinest. In my opinion the best run defender in the league. He always sets the edge, he takes on 2 guys to allow our other linebackers to make the tackles. People don't see that. They see the stat sheet and that he averages just a couple tackles per game but the fact is that he's probably the key to our run defense, him and Ngata of course. Those guys tie up up to 4 defenders on a play. JJ is almost like a nose tackle playing LB, that's his job. And he does it better than anybody else in the league. We can't afford to lose him.
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JJ was a situational pass rusher? Lol. I dont think he has 5-6 more years at a high level. He's 30. Not many LBs not named Ray Lewis are playing at a high level past 33. I love JJ, but he's already started declning imo.

I think we can afford to lose him, we have great young depth behind him.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1317725708' post='815453']

JJ was a situational pass rusher? Lol. I dont think he has 5-6 more years at a high level. He's 30. Not many LBs not named Ray Lewis are playing at a high level past 33. I love JJ, but he's already started declning imo.

I think we can afford to lose him, we have great young depth behind him.
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When did you start following the Ravens? 2009? JJ was a situational pass rusher here when he started out. He and Adalius Thomas are clones. Adalius was a better pass rusher at OLB but JJ is way better against the run. Other than that they're identical. Late round picks, played DL in college, same size, same skillset for the most part, same roles in the NFL. Adalius started out that way, situational pass rusher in our D-Line. Then he became a full time starter in the 3-4 at OLB. JJ took his job then as a pass rusher, and when Adalius left JJ took his job again. Not sure what you have been seeing...

Also watch this if you're not impressed with what JJ does for this team. [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d822b01ae/Playbook-Jets-vs-Ravens"]http://www.nfl.com/v...-Jets-vs-Ravens[/url]

3:20 - 4:50

Fans don't see that stuff, we see guys making tackles. But when you watch the tape and you see JJ taking on 2 blockers, hold his ground and force the run back to the inside so that Ray can make a tackle for no gain, you'll start to appreciate how great JJ really is. He doesn't make the tackles, but he makes sure that everyone else does. An unsung hero.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1317729730' post='815474']

When did you start following the Ravens? 2009? JJ was a situational pass rusher here when he started out. He and Adalius Thomas are clones. Adalius was a better pass rusher at OLB but JJ is way better against the run. Other than that they're identical. Late round picks, played DL in college, same size, same skillset for the most part, same roles in the NFL. Adalius started out that way, situational pass rusher in our D-Line. Then he became a full time starter in the 3-4 at OLB. JJ took his job then as a pass rusher, and when Adalius left JJ took his job again. Not sure what you have been seeing...

Also watch this if you're not impressed with what JJ does for this team. [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d822b01ae/Playbook-Jets-vs-Ravens"]http://www.nfl.com/v...-Jets-vs-Ravens[/url]

3:20 - 4:50

Fans don't see that stuff, we see guys making tackles. But when you watch the tape and you see JJ taking on 2 blockers, hold his ground and force the run back to the inside so that Ray can make a tackle for no gain, you'll start to appreciate how great JJ really is. He doesn't make the tackles, but he makes sure that everyone else does. An unsung hero.
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Well said.....I've always liked JJ and "unsung hero" is exactly what he's been to this team!

[H8R]

JJ still needs to generate more pass rush, he's good against the run but we need more production.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1317622132' post='813941']
For all the talking and tough play... how awesome was it to see those four re-unite at the end?
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it was nice to see!

~Mili

[Alexir]

JJ is a great run defender but we have a log jam of young talent behind him with Kruger and Kindle. We didn't waste 2 second round picks on special teams and situational pass rushers. They are the future.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1317736649' post='815537']
JJ still needs to generate more pass rush, he's good against the run but we need more production.
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Yep. JJ has always been the unsung hero of the defense but it still doesn't change the fact that we need more pass rush from his side and the production is not there.

[Bullrush]

Speaking of young pass rushers, I can't help but see another Adalius Thomas / JJ in Pernell McPhee. Looks like another gem who could possibly have the same role on our D# JJ has and AD had.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1317729730' post='815474']
When did you start following the Ravens? 2009? JJ was a situational pass rusher here when he started out. He and Adalius Thomas are clones. Adalius was a better pass rusher at OLB but JJ is way better against the run. Other than that they're identical. Late round picks, played DL in college, same size, same skillset for the most part, same roles in the NFL. Adalius started out that way, situational pass rusher in our D-Line. Then he became a full time starter in the 3-4 at OLB. JJ took his job then as a pass rusher, and when Adalius left JJ took his job again. Not sure what you have been seeing...

Also watch this if you're not impressed with what JJ does for this team. [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d822b01ae/Playbook-Jets-vs-Ravens"]http://www.nfl.com/v...-Jets-vs-Ravens[/url]

3:20 - 4:50

Fans don't see that stuff, we see guys making tackles. But when you watch the tape and you see JJ taking on 2 blockers, hold his ground and force the run back to the inside so that Ray can make a tackle for no gain, you'll start to appreciate how great JJ really is. He doesn't make the tackles, but he makes sure that everyone else does. An unsung hero.
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2007 actually.

For a "situational pass rusher" he doesn't have very many sacks.....

[b]I'm not saying he's bad[/b]. I'm just saying, he's 30, declining, and we have capable replacements. And like people before me have said he needs to produce more. They do that stuff to Ngata and Suggs too, but they still make plays, do they not?

I appreciate what JJ does. I see what he does, I play the game! I understand team defense! I love him as a player. I don't have anything against him aside from his lack of pass rush. What I'm saying is, it wouldn't be the end of the world if he was to be let go this offseason. He's a great player, but still replaceable. Just like Hartwell, Bart, AD, etc...

[Bullrush]

Who's gonna replace JJ and do what he does? He just won D# player of the week even though the stat sheet shows you nothing. People don't get these awards for recording 2 tackles or returning a fumble for a TD. He did a lot of stuff that the cameras haven't caught. You can't find a JJ replacement just like that.

And his main job is to stop and play the run, he's not being asked to be Suggs in terms of pass rushing. He had 2 QB hits against the Jets which is really good. On obvious passing downs we have young guys like McPhee, Kruger, Kindle and Suggs obviously to go after the QB. That's not JJ's (main) job.

I know you're not saying he's bad. But you're not giving him the props he deserves. At this point he's not replaceable, because there's not a guy who does what he does at OLB. But let's just agree to disagree.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1317662451' post='814446']
Nope... Not in Purple and Black, not a Raven. Sorry Rex, dont write checks with your mouth that your........ cant cash.
Pags was glad to show you the Ravens D is back and maybe BIG MAYBE better then ever. I wish Jimmy could have been playing all this time to pick up some experience.
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Agreed.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

He's excellent against the run and obviously had a big game this past week, earning the AFC defensive player of the week award but another thing I noticed in the Jets game and most of this year so far is that Kruger has a great motor and I really think we could put him in JJs spot this time next year and not lose much if any of what JJ brings to the table. AND we'd be upping the pass rush in doing so.

I'm not knocking JJ but at the end of this season we'll have Kruger and Kindle ready to assume his position. Like many have said, he's already in decline whereas Kruger and Kindle will be getting closer to their primes.

[mrwideout]

I keep hearing about Bart Scott being a product of the Ravens system, and not being good or him being a dissapointment for the Jets. Alot of Raven and Jet fans seems to believe this.

First of all Bart Scott still plays for Rex Ryan, so it`s basically the Ravens system he`s still playing in.

Second of all is his role in that system. Which is to make the players around him look like stars, and the team is not nearly as effective without him. So in essense Scott makes the system better and not the other way around. He does the dirty work so other players can make the big plays.

Over the last 3 years Bart Scott rated second(by pro fotball focus) only to Patrick Willis as an inside linebacker in a 3-4. (that is not in competition with Ray Lewis btw, because they consider him a 4-3 middle linebacker, because the Ravens rarely use a base 3-4 set.)

So Bart Scott should deffinatly not be put in the same boat as Adalius Thomas and others.

I like our young linebackers. Especially McClain. Bart Scott he is not, but hopefully he is turning corner and becoming a quality starter. We`ll need someone to take over for Ray aswell.

Here are links to the linebacker rankings, and an article written about the underrated Bart Scott, for those interested.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/22/making-the-grade-middle-inside-linebackers-2008-2010/

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/bart-scott-the-art-of-linebacking-beyond-the-tackle/

[1/28/01]

[quote name='mrwideout' timestamp='1317908168' post='817342']
I keep hearing about Bart Scott being a product of the Ravens system, and not being good or him being a dissapointment for the Jets. Alot of Raven and Jet fans seems to believe this.

First of all Bart Scott still plays for Rex Ryan, so it`s basically the Ravens system he`s still playing in.

Second of all is his role in that system. Which is to make the players around him look like stars, and the team is not nearly as effective without him. So in essense Scott makes the system better and not the other way around. He does the dirty work so other players can make the big plays.

Over the last 3 years Bart Scott rated second(by pro fotball focus) only to Patrick Willis as an inside linebacker in a 3-4. (that is not in competition with Ray Lewis btw, because they consider him a 4-3 middle linebacker, because the Ravens rarely use a base 3-4 set.)

So Bart Scott should deffinatly not be put in the same boat as Adalius Thomas and others.

I like our young linebackers. Especially McClain. Bart Scott he is not, but hopefully he is turning corner and becoming a quality starter. We`ll need someone to take over for Ray aswell.

Here are links to the linebacker rankings, and an article written about the underrated Bart Scott, for those interested.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/22/making-the-grade-middle-inside-linebackers-2008-2010/

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/13/bart-scott-the-art-of-linebacking-beyond-the-tackle/
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Ha, Scott whiffs on tackles week in and week out. Jets over paid for him BIG TIME! I am SO thankful we kept Ray and Suggs when it came down to only being able to keep 2 of those 3. Man, could you imagine if we didn't?!!?!??

[mrwideout]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317909111' post='817356']
Ha, Scott whiffs on tackles week in and week out. Jets over paid for him BIG TIME! I am SO thankful we kept Ray and Suggs when it came down to only being able to keep 2 of those 3. Man, could you imagine if we didn't?!!?!??
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I am also glad we kept Ray and Suggs instead of Scott. I am just pointing out how underrated Bart Scott is. The reason being his best work goes unnoticed to alot of people because someone else makes the tackle.

We couldn`t afford to pay Scott that much, but the Jets did. They may have overpaid money wise. But they got a borderline pro bowl player for free. In the sense that didn`t have to give up any draft picks or players to get him. Atleast not directly. I will gladly overpay for that, if I can afford it. In the large scheme of things, what`s really 1 million a year in difference? If they don`t have a lot of players they overpay. Then it`s no problem right?