My Thoughts - Jets @ Ravens

[FerrariFan87]

Defense was amazing. Joe has a ton of work to do. He looked like a rookie tonight. He's just got to get better... can't really get much worse.

[Guest RBates]

Joe bounces back against terrible teams. Im tired of it. If you want to take the next step, he has to have a good game, against a good team. Every time the Ravens get on Prime time we look like poooo. Joe on his naked boots is not letting his blockers that are rolling, get to there blocks. A lot of times he scrambled way to early instead of letting the play develop. The pick six you can call its Rice's fault, but that ball should not have been thrown. Quarterbacks in the Nfl are taught to see the throw. Up 27-7 there is no way you make that throw on your side of the field. There was no need to gamble. Overall terrible coaching on the offensive side tonight. Head coach was bad too. Why not take Flacco out when he was doing nothing positive offensively? Defense my hat is off to you. Outstanding game. Kruger is coming along well. Webb is a beast and Cary williams....wow extremely impressed. Thank God we have a bye week. Flacco needs work.

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317615007' post='813665']
Revis did nothing of the sort. Joe missed Torrey a few times on easy Nfl throws. Dont start with the excuses again, Joe played horrible.
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Last time I checked...deep balls...don't really count as "easy". I would say a drag route, or a button hook is an "easy" throw...

Joe played as you would expect against a team who has 3 good corners (Wilson is not great, but the boy plays tight man coverage). Revis Island is pretty legit, and Cromartie could run with Torrey....Doss can't generate seperation...So, Joe did an excellent job targeting the safeties and linebackers by focusing his throws to the TE's and Rice.

The INT was 95% Rice's fault, he stopped moving when it was OBVIOUS that Flacco pumped back and was going to hit him on the crossing pattern....

The low point for Flacco tonight was the fumble just because he had that ball out there too far.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317616050' post='813700']
Joe bounces back against terrible teams. Im tired of it. If you want to take the next step, he has to have a good game, against a good team. Every time the Ravens get on Prime time we look like poooo. Joe on his naked boots is not letting his blockers that are rolling, get to there blocks. A lot of times he scrambled way to early instead of letting the play develop. The pick six you can call its Rice's fault, but that ball should not have been thrown. Quarterbacks in the Nfl are taught to see the throw. Up 27-7 there is no way you make that throw on your side of the field. There was no need to gamble. Overall terrible coaching on the offensive side tonight. Head coach was bad too. Why not take Flacco out when he was doing nothing positive offensively? Defense my hat is off to you. Outstanding game. Kruger is coming along well. Webb is a beast and Cary williams....wow extremely impressed. Thank God we have a bye week. Flacco needs work.
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For being a football player who has excelled (per his own admission) at high levels, why do you take your starting QB out of a game in which you're winning? That doesn't and shouldn't happen! Off game, 100%! Oh yeah, and your closed minded statements about Flacco never having had a good game against a good team is ridiculous and just not founded!

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317616050' post='813700']
Joe bounces back against terrible teams. Im tired of it. If you want to take the next step, he has to have a good game, against a good team. Every time the Ravens get on Prime time we look like poooo. Joe on his naked boots is not letting his blockers that are rolling, get to there blocks. A lot of times he scrambled way to early instead of letting the play develop. The pick six you can call its Rice's fault, but that ball should not have been thrown. Quarterbacks in the Nfl are taught to see the throw. Up 27-7 there is no way you make that throw on your side of the field. There was no need to gamble. Overall terrible coaching on the offensive side tonight. Head coach was bad too. Why not take Flacco out when he was doing nothing positive offensively? Defense my hat is off to you. Outstanding game. Kruger is coming along well. Webb is a beast and Cary williams....wow extremely impressed. Thank God we have a bye week. Flacco needs work.
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ugh dude...the point of a "naked" bootleg is that you have no blockers..................hence the term naked?

Lastly, I wouldn't call a 2 yard check down a "gamble", he was trying to just get the ball out of his hands and into the hands of his playmakers....like any good NFL QB does. Rice stopped dead, and Flacco was trying to lead him so that Rice could use his speed....IF you looked at the replay there was no one to the left of the throw, thus, Rice would have caught the pass, bringing Harris, and the backer chasing Rice into each other, and giving us another Ray Rice highlight to hoot and holler about as Ray Rice breaks off for 25 yards down the field.

[atljbo]

That D was serious...

[berad]

Flacco had a bad game. The INT was a miscommunication but the fumble and some of the over/inaccurate throws were all on Flacco. There were a couple of drops, but still no excuse for a 10/31 game - some of which were throw-aways to avoid sacks, mind you.

Still, can't be too mad. He made the plays he had to make, converted his share of third downs.

[ratedr]

I'm just glad for a win. The offense was a disaster. But to be fair, the Jets offense was horrible too. And as overrated as I think Sanchez is, he is much better than he showed tonight, just like Flacco. I don't expect to see performances like this from either for the rest of the season.

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317616379' post='813718']
For being a football player who has excelled (per his own admission) at high levels, why do you take your starting QB out of a game in which you're winning? That doesn't and shouldn't happen! Off game, 100%! Oh yeah, and your closed minded statements about Flacco never having had a good game against a good team is ridiculous and just not founded!
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AMEN! Yeah, lets put in Tyrod Taylor for his first in game action against the best pass rushing team outside of the AFC North....not smart. We would have lost if that happened.

[Romo Ravens]

It's getting really hard to defend Flacco when he plays like this. There's no excuse for tonight. Torrey literally should have had a repeat of last weeks game, but he missed on the throws. Flacco should have seen the LB dropping back into the passing lanes, but once again, he doesn't read the defense successfully. Don't give me anything about Ray Rice either, because the throw shouldn't have even been made to start with. I also don't know how Flacco can look back and see the defender coming for him, and he still loses the ball. I've been a huge Flacco fan, getting on people that constantly get on his case, but I just want to see him succeed like I know we can and I get dissapointed when he has games like this.

Also, we were passing the ball a lot even after we went up by a huge lead because of everything that happened last season. Losing leads is extremely painful to watch and it's embarrassing, so I'm actually sticking by Cameron's side on this one. Not his fault Flacco wasn't executing or we couldn't get Ray Rice going. To defend Flacco a little though, I think he's so used to the slow WR's and TE's that he's had ever since his rookie year, he is having a hard time to adjuct throwing to Torrey Smith. The accuracy will come over time, but all I know is that we should have had a player(s) similar to Torrey when Flacco was a rookie.

At least we won.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1317616520' post='813727']
I'm just glad for a win. The offense was a disaster. But to be fair, the Jets offense was horrible too. And as overrated as I think Sanchez is, he is much better than he showed tonight, just like Flacco. I don't expect to see performances like this from either for the rest of the season.
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You're a different person in the game threads, as I mostly agree with what's above. Why do you go off like a child in the game thread?

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1317616495' post='813725']
Flacco had a bad game. The INT was a miscommunication but the fumble and some of the over/inaccurate throws were all on Flacco. There were a couple of drops, but still no excuse for a 10/31 game - some of which were throw-aways to avoid sacks, mind you.

Still, can't be too mad. He made the plays he had to make, converted his share of third downs.
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I agree. Dude threw a few rockets into tight man-man-coverage. Fact of the matter is that we don't have that good of recievers. Boldin is an excellent reciever, but good corners almost always limit his damage because he doesn't possess outstanding speed or height in which he gains a physical advantage over the corner. Smith is a rookie, and while he is exceptionally fast...he doesn't possess the body control yet to fight good jams and still use his speed. Our TEs are outstanding IMO, but in tonight's whether, Dickson's hands were questioned.

I too would have loved to see a game like last week, but come on now, it was the Jets....and Rex knows the Ravens well.....

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317616620' post='813732'] You're a different person in the game threads, as I mostly agree with what's above. Why do you go off like a child in the game thread?[/quote]

So what's with Sammy's?

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

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[Kwothdaraven]

All I know is that the d will be even better when jimmy gets back

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317616599' post='813730']
It's getting really hard to defend Flacco when he plays like this. There's no excuse for tonight. Torrey literally should have had a repeat of last weeks game, but he missed on the throws. Flacco should have seen the LB dropping back into the passing lanes, but once again, he doesn't read the defense successfully. Don't give me anything about Ray Rice either, because the throw shouldn't have even been made to start with. I also don't know how Flacco can look back and see the defender coming for him, and he still loses the ball. I've been a huge Flacco fan, getting on people that constantly get on his case, but I just want to see him succeed like I know we can and I get dissapointed when he has games like this.

Also, we were passing the ball a lot even after we went up by a huge lead because of everything that happened last season. Losing leads is extremely painful to watch and it's embarrassing, so I'm actually sticking by Cameron's side on this one. Not his fault Flacco wasn't executing or we couldn't get Ray Rice going. To defend Flacco a little though, I think he's so used to the slow WR's and TE's that he's had ever since his rookie year, he is having a hard time to adjuct throwing to Torrey Smith. The accuracy will come over time, but all I know is that we should have had a player(s) similar to Torrey when Flacco was a rookie.

At least we won.
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There is always an excuse when you play a top 5 defense in the NFL. and Torrey is just a rookie going man-man with Revis 50 yards downfield. Flacco hit the intermediate throws to Boldin, Dickson, and even Williams well tonight. It was just those down the field throws that challenged him in the rain and in the face of a relentless pass rush.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1317616743' post='813740']


So what's with Sammy's?
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Ha, have a little stake in it

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317616620' post='813732']
You're a different person in the game threads, as I mostly agree with what's above. Why do you go off like a child in the game thread?
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Doesn't almost everyone from this forum do this lol?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1317616388' post='813719']

ugh dude...the point of a "naked" bootleg is that you have no blockers..................hence the term naked?

Lastly, I wouldn't call a 2 yard check down a "gamble", he was trying to just get the ball out of his hands and into the hands of his playmakers....like any good NFL QB does. Rice stopped dead, and Flacco was trying to lead him so that Rice could use his speed....IF you looked at the replay there was no one to the left of the throw, thus, Rice would have caught the pass, bringing Harris, and the backer chasing Rice into each other, and giving us another Ray Rice highlight to hoot and holler about as Ray Rice breaks off for 25 yards down the field.
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The bootleg itself is naked, there are blockers that roll to the side in protection. That 2 yard check down was actually 5 yards and it was a gamble throwing on our side of the field right into the heart of the defense. Rice stopped, but as previously stated the ball should not have been thrown. The gamble wasn't in the pass it was in the protection of the 27-7 lead that we blew on a ill advised gamble by our quarterback. For the record great quarterbacks make mistakes sure happens all the time. They also take the sack when needed that's why they are great.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317616939' post='813751']


Doesn't almost everyone from this forum do this lol?
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Ha, but this dude goes a wall!

[ROH522155]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317616050' post='813700']
Joe bounces back against terrible teams. Im tired of it. If you want to take the next step, he has to have a good game, against a good team.
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Yea dude that Steeler defense is some weak sauce.

[colljb9]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1317613722' post='813562']
With the Jets game over, we only have 3 games that I would call difficult out of our remaining 12 (Pittsburgh, San Diego, and Houston).
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I would agree mostly. This is now a very interesting storyline because the chargers are known for having huge physical wide receivers. If we're about to put out williams and smith on floyd and jackson and possibly even put gorrer on antonio gates for a better size match up because its been shown a linebacker cannot cover him and safeties have trouble we could really potentially start to shut down passing attacks like the chargers have. A real worry for me is if we play a team like the patriots, i just feel like our corners do not match up very well against that kind of team because its harder for these taller guys to turn as quickly with little wide receivers. With the pass rush we're getting i wouldnt mind seeing us putting out 5 or 6 defensive backs on many plays because its been proven that pollard, cary williams, ed reed, and ladarius webb can all blitz. So wed basically just be blitzing the same way with ngata, cody, and pernell/redding but then having faster guys off the edges

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

did anyone hear Al Micheals at pregame when Ray Lewis was coming out the tunnel " I cant even hear myself think!"

[berad]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1317616735' post='813739']

I agree. Dude threw a few rockets into tight man-man-coverage. Fact of the matter is that we don't have that good of recievers. Boldin is an excellent reciever, but good corners almost always limit his damage because he doesn't possess outstanding speed or height in which he gains a physical advantage over the corner. Smith is a rookie, and while he is exceptionally fast...he doesn't possess the body control yet to fight good jams and still use his speed. Our TEs are outstanding IMO, but in tonight's whether, Dickson's hands were questioned.

I too would have loved to see a game like last week, but come on now, it was the Jets....and Rex knows the Ravens well.....
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Dickson dropped that perfect pass, that could've been big. And I don't think the WRs are to blame as much as NYJ is to be credited. Revis is great and Cromartie is good albeit streaky - they're still a good defense.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317617003' post='813755']
Ha, but this dude goes a wall!
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I know. We could be up by 10 TDs in the first half, all of them thrown by Flacco, then he throws one pick, and I could name about 10 members that would say we're losing.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317616379' post='813718']
For being a football player who has excelled (per his own admission) at high levels, why do you take your starting QB out of a game in which you're winning? That doesn't and shouldn't happen! Off game, 100%! Oh yeah, and your closed minded statements about Flacco never having had a good game against a good team is ridiculous and just not founded!
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Because he is doing nothing positive for the team. He is rattled, if a running back fumbles twice and every time he hits the whole he starts tip toeing a coach will yank him. Same holds true at the Qb position you are 0-11 no touchdowns except to the other team, and you fumble the football. Why not pull you and see if our backup can give us a spark.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1317616889' post='813748']

There is always an excuse when you play a top 5 defense in the NFL. and Torrey is just a rookie going man-man with Revis 50 yards downfield. Flacco hit the intermediate throws to Boldin, Dickson, and even Williams well tonight. It was just those down the field throws that challenged him in the rain and in the face of a relentless pass rush.
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Which is why I believe Flacco is a little off because he's so used to playing with slow WR's. I believe the accuracy will show up and stay after the bye. All I know is that Torrey could have had another monster performance tonight. I couldn't believe he got past Revis. This dude looks to be pretty good.

[ratedr]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317616620' post='813732']
You're a different person in the game threads, as I mostly agree with what's above. Why do you go off like a child in the game thread?
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I get too excitable in the game threads.

But overall, I'm not panicking. The bye couldn't have come at a better time. The injuries can heal, and the offense has more time to work together.

The main issue with the offense, imo, is that they keep trying to go for the home run. We don't have to go deep on every other play. It's killing drives. The reason we were so incredible against Pittsburgh is because of our balance. We need to keep that, especially since there are still chemistry issues with Flacco and the revamped receiving core (and our receivers aren't 100% reliable yet).

[ratedr]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317617217' post='813766']
Because he is doing nothing positive for the team. He is rattled, if a running back fumbles twice and every time he hits the whole he starts tip toeing a coach will yank him. Same holds true at the Qb position you are 0-11 no touchdowns except to the other team, and you fumble the football. Why not pull you and see if our backup can give us a spark.
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Stupid idea. So your experienced starter has trouble with one of the toughest defenses in the league, so you think the rookie would be better against said tough defense? Foolish reasoning.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317617217' post='813766']
Because he is doing nothing positive for the team. He is rattled, if a running back fumbles twice and every time he hits the whole he starts tip toeing a coach will yank him. Same holds true at the Qb position you are 0-11 no touchdowns except to the other team, and you fumble the football. Why not pull you and see if our backup can give us a spark.
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Because our backup is a rookie. Being a football fan since 2005, I don't think I've ever seen a coach pull his borderline Pro Bowl QB because he's not playing well against a defense like the Jets. I'd actually be pissed if he was pulled. Flacco gives us the best chance to win. We've all seen his games where he sucks in the first half then puts on a clinic in the second to come from behind.