Where Did All The Flacco Haters Run Off To?

[Natty Boh]

They will all be back in full force the minute after Flacco has a less than stellar game...unfortunately.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1317006035' post='804993']
You forgot Matt Stafford and Cam Newton.
[/quote]
Statistically that may have been the best game of his career. Now, looking at the competition, lets not get ahead of ourselves. This is the reason you have Flacco haters in the first place, because some of the Flacco supporters just go wild, after a game where he should put up big numbers. Not saying you are one of them just venting. Not taking anything from Joe but this game was easy to predict him going off in. I'll let you in on another secret, he should be able to do it again against the Jets who have traveled to Oakland, now back to Baltimore to take us on at home.

[callahan09]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1317134715' post='806466']
nice.. Total qbr.. Thats the stat thing that everyone hates right? Well thats cool i guess.. Lets see him dismantle the jets and he'll get the wide respect he has deserved for awhile
[/quote]
Yep, that's the one everyone hates haha. I came up with my own QB score that takes into account what the player does outside of throwing the ball (sacks, yards lost, rush attempts, rush yards, rush touchdowns, fumbles lost), because people seemed to like (at first) the idea of a score that isn't just a "passer rating", but then they didn't seem to like the subjectivity of the scores that ESPN introduces, so I worked on a simple rating that would encompass those other statistical facets without having any subjectivity. It's derived from passer rating, but introduces the other stats to make it a simple qb rating, as I like to call it. "Simple" because it's more or less an extension of the existing passer rating, not some complicated new formula. Only I had it work out to a score between 0 and 100, because that seemed logical and it nicely differentiates it from passer rating.

I don't know if I'll post the results here, though. For now, I'm happy with ESPN's score because it rightly accounts for the fact that when the game mattered, Joe was nigh on *perfect*, and the hit that his stat line takes on completion percentage and his lost fumble only really occurred during a commanding lead and were therefore irrelevant to the game outcome. My score isn't as friendly in considering Joe's mid 50's completion percentage and his lost fumble and couple of sacks because it just objectively uses the stat-line numbers.
As a result, Joe isn't #1 in the week based on my rankings (he's #9, actually).

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1317059364' post='805714']
I think one of the greatest misconceptions in society is that being "negative" and being "realistic" are synonymous. Here's a great quote: "The optimist believes we live in the best of all worlds while the pessimist fears that this is true."

Similarly, there is a difference between being critical of Flacco in hopes that he will improve on his (considerable) success and declaring that he's not capable of taking us to the superbowl because of occasional poor play.

It is much easier to be a pessimist than to be an optimist, but nothing good ever comes easy.
[/quote]
Wow great quote plus one thank you. Glass half empty half full. Everyone wants Flacco to play well, just have different ways of getting him there. Some have the Harbaugh not throwing you under the bus approach, and some have the Mike Ditka in your face, I'll tell you how i feel approach. Both work

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1317053512' post='805615']


Aww, I see sparks flyin'! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wub.png[/img]
[/quote]

not like that bruh! not like that! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_snapoutofit.gif[/img]

LOL!

~Mili

[scrock]

its the same thing every week, and like i said after the Titans game..its a TEAM game, the OL played better this week..they got the run game going when we needed to and Joe had time to make his reads and throw the ball...

Look at Matt Ryan and Tom Brady...Brady cost his team the game, 4 INTS!!!!!

its week to week in this league and the QB takes alll the blame even if its not warranted

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1317141119' post='806571']
its the same thing every week, and like i said after the Titans game..its a TEAM game, the OL played better this week..they got the run game going when we needed to and Joe had time to make his reads and throw the ball...

Look at Matt Ryan and Tom Brady...Brady cost his team the game, 4 INTS!!!!!

its week to week in this league and the QB takes alll the blame even if its not warranted
[/quote]
Takes all the blame? He threw 4 picks one for a touchdown. Yeah that would be on the quarterback.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1317141433' post='806581']
Takes all the blame? He threw 4 picks one for a touchdown. Yeah that would be on the quarterback.
[/quote]

Not every interception comes solely down to the QB.

[Marc2k6]

Flacco hater's!? We put up good numbers in this game across the board, it was a great day vs a sorry team, SORRY but at the same time we had a great day vs a good team also. We are only 3 games in and I want to see more vs better, looking forward to going to Sunday's game to see it all live. I want to see the Ravens open up running lanes for Ray Rice by throwing the ball down field first and then ramming it down the Jet's throat!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1317141554' post='806585']

Not every interception comes solely down to the QB.
[/quote]
I got that point. Thanks. However, I watched that game and yeah they were on him all but one.

[FerrariFan87]

If Joe gets protection against the Jets, we will dominate. We've witnessed what Joe can do with time and with receivers who can actually get open!

[Jabara]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, and I never hated on Joe, but for his own health he really needs to slide more at the end of a run.
I thought he was going to get injured on Sunday, he got nailed for not sliding on one run, I'll bet he's got bruised ribs.
Get down Joe!
Again, he showed that he is mobile.

[callahan09]

I've been a stats-aholic since this season started, and here comes another stats-filled post for all of you.
This one is going to go into a bit of detail on how Joe has performed versus the team's he's played against in comparison to how those teams have played against the rest of the QBs they've faced this season.

So in other words, we're looking at how Joe did against the Steelers vs. how the Steelers have done against all other QBs besides Joe. This should give us an indication of whether he's performing better than or worse than an average QB against each team he has played against.

The team numbers are, in case this isn't clear just from looking at it, the sum of the numbers posted by QBs *against* the team in question, not counting what Joe did against them. So for the Steelers, we're talking about Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, and Tarvaris Jackson.

I am responsible for all stat-gathering, and all stats come directly from NFL.com.




Pittsburgh Steelers (Excluding Joe Flacco)
38 / 69, 312 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 6 Sacks, 35 Yards Lost
3 Rush, 12 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 66.8

Joe Flacco (Against Pittsburgh Steelers)
17 / 29, 224 Yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 1 Sack, 9 Yards Lost
0 Rush, 0 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 117.6




Tennessee Titans (Excluding Joe Flacco)
41 / 63, 348 Yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 3 Sacks, 16 Yards Lost
5 Rush, 10 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 76.7

Joe Flacco (Against Tennessee Titans)
15 / 32, 197 Yards, 1 TDs, 2 INTs, 3 Sacks, 13 Yards Lost
0 Rush, 0 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 51.2




St Louis Rams (Excluding Joe Flacco)
33 / 62, 410 Yards, 4 TDs, 1 INTs, 6 Sacks, 39 Yards Lost
15 Rush, 85 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 88.8

Joe Flacco (Against St Louis Rams)
27 / 48, 389 Yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 2 Sacks, 4 Yards Lost
9 Rush, 29 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 103.6





PIT + TEN + STL (Excluding Joe Flacco)
112 / 194, 1070 Yards, 6 TDs, 3 INTs, 15 Sacks, 90 Yards Lost
24 Rush, 107 Yards, 0 TDs, 3 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 77.0

Joe Flacco (Against PIT + TEN + STL)
59 / 109, 810 Yards, 7 TDs, 2 INTs, 6 Sacks, 26 Yards Lost
9 Rush, 29 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 91.9



Joe significantly outperformed the Steelers versus how others have performed against them, as well as substantially outperforming the average against the Rams. His performance against the Titans on the other hand was significantly below average.

Overall, Joe is outperforming the average numbers against the teams he has played against by quite a bit! The average non-Joe QB playing against the three teams Joe has played has a 77.0 rating, while Joe has a 91.9.




And just to make it interesting, I've also decided to post the statistics on which defenses put up the biggest challenge for opposing QBs, ordered by lowest average opposing QB rating to highest. These numbers for the Steelers, Titans, and Rams do include Joe's numbers against them.



1 -- New York Jets
52 / 88, 609 Yards, 2 TDs, 5 INTs, 7 Sacks, 43 Yards Lost
8 Rush, 24 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 64.0625

2 -- Tennessee Titans
56 / 95, 545 Yards, 3 TDs, 4 INTs, 6 Sacks, 29 Yards Lost
5 Rush, 10 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 68.0921052631579

3 -- Detroit Lions
66 / 105, 610 Yards, 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 8 Sacks, 46 Yards Lost
7 Rush, 39 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 69.1468253968254

4 -- Baltimore Ravens
68 / 115, 804 Yards, 3 TDs, 5 INTs, 9 Sacks, 68 Yards Lost
4 Rush, 31 Yards, 0 TDs, 3 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 71.0688405797101

5 -- San Francisco 49ers
64 / 112, 786 Yards, 5 TDs, 5 INTs, 7 Sacks, 55 Yards Lost
5 Rush, 18 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 75.2232142857143

6 -- Washington Redskins
57 / 98, 774 Yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 8 Sacks, 53 Yards Lost
3 Rush, 1 Yards, 1 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 77.5085034013605

7 -- New York Giants
63 / 110, 847 Yards, 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 8 Sacks, 82 Yards Lost
10 Rush, 46 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 79.6212121212121

8 -- Cleveland Browns
53 / 94, 619 Yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 11 Sacks, 57 Yards Lost
6 Rush, 14 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 81.8262411347518

9 -- Pittsburgh Steelers
55 / 98, 536 Yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 7 Sacks, 44 Yards Lost
3 Rush, 12 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 81.8452380952381

10 -- Houston Texans
59 / 105, 737 Yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 7 Sacks, 58 Yards Lost
8 Rush, 25 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 82.1230158730159

11 -- Arizona Cardinals
67 / 111, 884 Yards, 4 TDs, 4 INTs, 9 Sacks, 59 Yards Lost
16 Rush, 33 Yards, 2 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 82.5638138138138

12 -- Jacksonville Jaguars
56 / 92, 603 Yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 3 Sacks, 14 Yards Lost
11 Rush, 65 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 84.6467391304348

13 -- Oakland Raiders
79 / 135, 937 Yards, 6 TDs, 3 INTs, 9 Sacks, 62 Yards Lost
6 Rush, 38 Yards, 1 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 85.3240740740741

14 -- Buffalo Bills
75 / 114, 829 Yards, 7 TDs, 6 INTs, 2 Sacks, 14 Yards Lost
4 Rush, 8 Yards, 1 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 85.7456140350877

15 -- Cincinnati Bengals
54 / 95, 609 Yards, 4 TDs, 1 INTs, 9 Sacks, 44 Yards Lost
4 Rush, 9 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 85.8114035087719

16 -- Dallas Cowboys
64 / 105, 764 Yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 13 Sacks, 84 Yards Lost
5 Rush, 30 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 87.1626984126984

17 -- Green Bay Packers
81 / 132, 1153 Yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 10 Sacks, 75 Yards Lost
14 Rush, 67 Yards, 1 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 88.9835858585859

18 -- Atlanta Falcons
70 / 101, 806 Yards, 4 TDs, 4 INTs, 5 Sacks, 23 Yards Lost
17 Rush, 62 Yards, 1 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 89.789603960396

19 -- Seattle Seahawks
62 / 89, 674 Yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 5 Sacks, 34 Yards Lost
15 Rush, 46 Yards, 1 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 89.8174157303371

20 -- Tampa Bay Buccaneers
68 / 110, 863 Yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 6 Sacks, 51 Yards Lost
6 Rush, 24 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 90.8333333333333

21 -- Indianapolis Colts
64 / 93, 795 Yards, 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 5 Sacks, 40 Yards Lost
12 Rush, 25 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 92.3611111111111

22 -- New England Patriots
86 / 129, 1163 Yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 6 Sacks, 32 Yards Lost
13 Rush, 65 Yards, 1 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 94.5574935400517

23 -- St Louis Rams
60 / 110, 799 Yards, 7 TDs, 1 INTs, 8 Sacks, 43 Yards Lost
24 Rush, 114 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 95.2272727272727

24 -- Minnesota Vikings
87 / 125, 956 Yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 9 Sacks, 58 Yards Lost
7 Rush, 12 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 95.2833333333333

25 -- New Orleans Saints
68 / 119, 929 Yards, 7 TDs, 1 INTs, 10 Sacks, 83 Yards Lost
5 Rush, 13 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 98.3368347338936

26 -- Chicago Bears
85 / 122, 886 Yards, 6 TDs, 2 INTs, 8 Sacks, 54 Yards Lost
2 Rush, 5 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 99.9658469945355

27 -- Kansas City Chiefs
65 / 103, 796 Yards, 8 TDs, 3 INTs, 3 Sacks, 15 Yards Lost
7 Rush, 2 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 100.627022653722

28 -- Miami Dolphins
72 / 116, 957 Yards, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, 4 Sacks, 24 Yards Lost
5 Rush, 3 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 103.987068965517

29 -- Philadelphia Eagles
51 / 86, 658 Yards, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, 12 Sacks, 65 Yards Lost
8 Rush, -12 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 104.699612403101

30 -- Denver Broncos
67 / 99, 748 Yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs, 5 Sacks, 44 Yards Lost
10 Rush, 3 Yards, 1 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 106.797138047138

31 -- San Diego Chargers
55 / 79, 638 Yards, 6 TDs, 2 INTs, 5 Sacks, 29 Yards Lost
7 Rush, 34 Yards, 0 TDs, 0 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 108.517932489451

32 -- Carolina Panthers
49 / 78, 756 Yards, 5 TDs, 1 INTs, 5 Sacks, 37 Yards Lost
13 Rush, 14 Yards, 0 TDs, 1 Fumbles Lost
Passer Rating: 110.844017094017



First, congrats to the Ravens defense for being #4 on this list.
Second, let's take note that Joe has so far faced off against the #2, #9, and #23 defenses, and put up decisively above average numbers against them.
And he's got the #1 coming up next Sunday night!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1317048743' post='805499']
All I'm saying is a " where's all the Flacco Supporters now" thread could've been made last week after the titans game.

The board after a Ravens victory and a good game by Flacco is laughable...we become the scariest team in the world with the most underrated talent...and then a game like last week comes and the board does a complete 180 and reality sets in.

I'm just trying to keep the board on the path of realism and not homerism...it was the Rams..I can't take another 7 days of the Ravens are the best.. we should destroy the Jets 27-0...cause we've done all of that already tthis year
[/quote]

We don't need a "where are all the Flacco supporters" thread because the haters come out in force making bash Flacco threads. You can check any one of those threads and you will find not only the OP there but quite a few of us taking some heat for our QB. Constantly pointing out that no QB is perfect. Not even Peyton and Brady.

[Ravenslifer]

What I would like is an explanation form all of the Flacco "haters". You can say that he's young and mistake prone, but what I can't figure out is a) why you think he's not capable of being the Ravens starting qb, and if he isn't, who is? Who out there would you have in place of Joe Flacco? Because as far as I can see, any quarterback I think who could come in right now and outperform Flacco already has a starting job. Oh, and all but one of them has a Superbowl ring.

[Tyler]

[quote name='EricV703' timestamp='1317007707' post='805087']
I'm not a Flacco hater at all. But we have to see him do this against a good defense like the Jets too! Consistency is his issue. What happens when the gameplan doesn't work? Is he gonna try forcing passes again like in the Titans game?

We'll find out next week.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure Joe put up 3 Td's on a pretty good defense week 1.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1317047879' post='805476']
you're absolutely right about one thing ... I should have started this thread right after he pounded the Steelers, instead of waiting until he destroyed the Rams.

I assume by "looking great one week and terrible the next" [b]you mean that Flacco will occassionaly have an off game. That is true as well, every QB in the league will have a few bad games each season.[/b]
[/quote]

Tom Brady never has a bad game....oh wait......does he ?

[Bigbell]

i know this might be random but i wished we ran the ball more with ray. Joe played well but ray needs the ball more against a D like that.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1317154596' post='806829']
I've been a stats-aholic since this season started, and here comes another stats-filled post for all of you.
This one is going to go into a bit of detail on how Joe has performed versus the team's he's played against in comparison to how those teams have played against the rest of the QBs they've faced this season.

So in other words, we're looking at how Joe did against the Steelers vs. how the Steelers have done against all other QBs besides Joe. This should give us an indication of whether he's performing better than or worse than an average QB against each team he has played against.

[/quote]

Haha, I love a good statistical analysis. Joe has something around the 12th best QB rating right now, but he's had to go against the top two pass defenses in terms of yards (as of now). On a side note, I looked into it and our defense has 5 INTS against QBs with 7 picks total. That means we picked off QBs 2.5 times more in 3 games than other teams did in 6, or "we pick off QBs 5 times more than the average team so far". That number will change soon, because Sanchez already lofted 4 bricks into the air and we'd have to pick him off 6 times to be consistent.

[robermar]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1317005992' post='804991']
Man this is one game I wish I didn't mess up dvring. I didn't make sure it wasn't going to be another channel before I recorded it on Sunday tickets. Doh
[/quote]

I highly recommend[url="http://www.nfl.com/rewind"] http://www.nfl.com/rewind[/url]

well worth the $40.

[I AM LEGEND]

I thought maybe we could just discuss Flaccos performance here.........in this thread.

[1/28/01]

And here they come (actually, they showed their faces last night, but whatever.....)

As a Flacco supporter (but not a blind homer), I can say Flacco had a very poor performance last night. The drops and needed throw aways didn't help, but there's no excuse for the showing. With that said, IT IS NOT a continued affair with him, so no need to go off the deep end. Even though some of you will (and you show your ineptitude for the game while doing so), let's remember we won the game!!

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317648111' post='814112']
And here they come (actually, they showed their faces last night, but whatever.....)

As a Flacco supporter (but not a blind homer), I can say Flacco had a very poor performance last night. The drops and needed throw aways didn't help, but there's no excuse for the showing. With that said, IT IS NOT a continued affair with him, so no need to go off the deep end. Even though some of you will (and you show your ineptitude for the game while doing so), let's remember we won the game!!
[/quote]

Agreed 100%. If we know anything about Joe it's that he could well come out and play excellent football for the next 8 weeks. He's really good at bouncing back from statistically bad performances. He's got the bye week now to focus and get some key parts of the offense back like Grubbs and Evans (I don't even know how long his injury will keep him out for). I expect he'll be more than ready to tackle the Texans in just under two weeks time.

[I AM LEGEND]

Agreed...the win is the most important thing....

But since this is a thread on Flacco...I must say that was down right tedious to watch...and everytime you think he's got a grip on things..he.shows he doesnt.

Completely aware of the difficulty of passing against those DBs....but come on....

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1317648963' post='814130']
Agreed...the win is the most important thing....

But since this is a thread on Flacco...I must say that was down right tedious to watch...and everytime you think he's got a grip on things..he.shows he doesnt.

Completely aware of the difficulty of passing against those DBs....but come on....
[/quote]

No excuse for that hideous performance last night. Again, Joe has a lot of work to do.

[1/28/01]

No excuse for anyone, agreed!

No excuse for Flacco.
No excuse for the ST's gaffe.
No excuse for the player drops.
No excuse for the miscommunications.
No excuse for the play calling at certain junctures.

See, everyone can have a poor performance (well, minus that ridiculous defense)

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1317649605' post='814138']
No excuse for anyone, agreed!

No excuse for Flacco.
No excuse for the ST's gaffe.
No excuse for the player drops.
No excuse for the miscommunications.
No excuse for the play calling at certain junctures.

See, everyone can have a poor performance (well, minus that ridiculous defense)
[/quote]

Won't get an argument from me...

I think all of those drops totally disrupted any chance of Joe developing any sort of rhythm on offense. He'll bounce back against Houston.

[jdynamite]

flacco started off very well last night... Then he had a couple of catch-able balls dropped or bounce of WRs during that 11 pass in-completion streak (that Collinsworth the consummate hater see the Ed Reed attempt block punt where Collinsworth cried next 6 min of game , and Ngata forced fumble where he start saying Ngata should be flagged for dropping his helmet on Sanchez ) Collinsworth never pointed out a few passes were on target either dropped, batted down, or right off finger tip of Wr

I think those crossing patterns with Pitta and Dickson were working well....
He did throw a potential TD pass behind Torrrey Smith in the endzone, but I thought that was still catchable as well, I think T.Smith loss a little focus when the Jet Safety appeared to be in line for an int but slipped...

I didn't care that Flacco was 8-27 going into half time but I was wondering to myself, why do we have such a horrible pass:run ratio, we had 27 passes only 11 runs (8 rice, 3 williams) at halftime, and we had 13 and 20 pt leads within the half and still continue to throw pass after pass stopping the clock..... I was hoping to run more to open up some playaction passes down field... Because I felt that we had true advantage with our TEs over their LBs...

[Runnin Raven]

I was pretty shocked at the number of pass attempts. I know they were expecting us to run Ray early and often, and the strategy paid off in the first quarter. But we didn't really change things up (Cam?) when they adjusted. A few drops here and there, some deep balls that were not on target, combined with a strong secondary spelled problems for the passing game. I would have liked some slants or short stuff to just get in a rhythm. And more rushing attempts.

I know the completion % is ugly, but I think this is some growing pains with the young guys. Can't replicate real game experience. We will get better IMO, hopefully explosively better. I'm not too down on Joe for this game although the stat freaks will hate it. You can't get better at throwing the ball unless you do it more often I suppose.

Also, on the pick-6, Ray stopped his route. Joe threw it to where Ray would have been had he kept moving.

[woody1]

Thank God for our D last night and for little Ray. If we had been playing a better run defence and had to air the ball out all night we would have been in big trouble. No completions in the 2nd and 3rd because of short and long passes and still managed to win large?? Thats a crazy string of luck I don't want to keep riding. I think Joe is taking too much time running around like Ben trying to make heroic throws. He needs to tuck that ball in tight when he commits to running with it. And long bombs aren't the answer when the game is close (before Webbs int. TD). I'm glad he's come out of his shell and is showing some arm but he's got to be quicker with the throws and smarter when he realizes he has no options. Just sayin. [b]Love you Joe GO RAVENS!!![/b]