Officially Renouncing My Cam "hater" Status

[PuRock]

I've been a Cam hater on and off.

I still believe that we need to wait until the end of the season to look at the whole picture. (The same thing for all questionable topics instead of having weekly up and down threads).

A lot can change between now and December.

Cam called an awesome game yesterday. The play calls were working. He has it in him (especially when the O-Line plays great). But I want to see Cam make mid game adjustments effectively when we are struggling.

[PurpleReign92]

This was our offense before Cam got here; Mason,Heap,McGahee and Kyle Boller..
Now it is Evans, Rice, Boldin, Flacco, Leach and now Torrey Smith. I really think we have improved as a team on offense our team is putting up points on the offense with other OC's i didn't really see this kind production.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1316996691' post='804698']
After a very good showing the last few weeks of last season, I was hopeful it was a sign of things to come.

Week one of this season, Cam did a great job leading us to the destruction of PIT.

Despite a couple questionable calls last week in our loss to TEN, it was ultimately great defense and poor execution that killed us. Despite what many of you may say, I think Cam did well last week.

And now, today was far and away the greatest game I have ever witnessed Cam call.

So, gotta give the man his due. He has done an outstanding job with this offense, and am thoroughly pleased with the trust he has put in Flacco.

Well done Cam.
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Finally

[Mahatma_Sloth]

ive been saying it all along all cam does is give us winning seasons playoff births and apparently broken franchise and nfl records. I have been watching the ravens since '96 and have never seen us have an offense like this. sure we had flashes like Vinnie in '96 McNair in '06 but never consistency like this. but still its not good enough for some

[Militant X 1]

we are just 3 games into the season so it's waaay too early for me to remove my Cam "hater" status. but, he has done a decent job so far.

~Mili

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1317052549' post='805579']
Finally
[/quote]

Yeah, he broke me.
But don't confuse that with being a jaded Cam supporter. When he sucks, I'll say so (and then be grouped with the rest of the wishy washy fans whose opinions change on a weekly basis). But I no longer feel like there is some urgent need to run him out of town. We can get it done with him at OC.

[Suggs Package]

I've probably one of the few people here who's never been a Cam hater, but I can understand why.

The offense is a big play type offense, so there are going to be some boom and bust weeks. We're not going to have an output like this every week, but we also don't put all our eggs in one baskets like some of these teams who were lighting things up and giving up just as many points per game.

Another thing, Cam never comes off as a player's coach, someone they get along with and you'll probably never see a player talk about Cam the same way they talked about Rex Ryan or even Chuck Pagano, but likability has nothing to do with ability. I think us fans let the personalities of coaches get in the way of how good or bad they are.

[Death_from_Above]

I'm still on the Cam watch. The one thing I fear late in the season or in the playoffs, is the shutdown of the offense late in the game when we have a lead; that's when we get into trouble. When Cam goes conservative, "let's run the clock out" too soon, that's when we get several three and outs on back to back to back possesions. That's when the D gets tired and the next thing you know the opposition O that we've shut down all game suddenly becomes a juggernaut. Take a page out of the Patriot's playbook and keep scoring until the final whistle blows. I need to see this happen consistently before I back off of Cam.

[Raven146]

Nothing has changed. Our running game is still struggling 80 percent of our runs are trick plays that do not work. The Rams run defense was rated as 28 out of 32 teams and most of our runs were 1 to 3 yards with Ray Rice. So we had a passing game, yet were are carrying a power backfield and running misdirections. That does not work! Look at the run yardage the Colts put up on the Steelers yesterday. Ray Rice was amazing yesterday , but not from the backfield as a runner, but as a pass catcher. When you go into one of the lowest rated teams against the run and can't make 10 yards from the backfield every-time you touch the football, something is wrong with the play calling or the way the plays are designed to open holes.
It was great to see three touchdown passes and then what happened , 4 field goals because we could not get first downs running the ball. I am not saying they didn't play well but the Cam problem has not changed just because we got a win against a team which has lost every game so far this season. But the truth of the mater is , it was only an important game to the fans and the team to prove they are not inept. Yet our offense fell into the same old offense, after we got a lead. Ding passes, and a poor running game did not put us into a winning position. beyond the 1st quarter.
Cam chokes in every big game he calls. Flacco said it today you can't expect to win trying to protect a 3 point lead. You have to continue to attack for points. And until Cam starts using that attitude the problem still exist.

[acranfor]

[quote name='Raven146' timestamp='1317060641' post='805747']
Nothing has changed. Our running game is still struggling 80 percent of our runs are trick plays that do not work. The Rams run defense was rated as 28 out of 32 teams and most of our runs were 1 to 3 yards with Ray Rice. So we had a passing game, yet were are carrying a power backfield and running misdirections. That does not work! Look at the run yardage the Colts put up on the Steelers yesterday. Ray Rice was amazing yesterday , but not from the backfield as a runner, but as a pass catcher. When you go into one of the lowest rated teams against the run and can't make 10 yards from the backfield every-time you touch the football, something is wrong with the play calling or the way the plays are designed to open holes.
It was great to see three touchdown passes and then what happened , 4 field goals because we could not get first downs running the ball. I am not saying they didn't play well but the Cam problem has not changed just because we got a win against a team which has lost every game so far this season. But the truth of the mater is , it was only an important game to the fans and the team to prove they are not inept. Yet our offense fell into the same old offense, after we got a lead. Ding passes, and a poor running game did not put us into a winning position. beyond the 1st quarter.
Cam chokes in every big game he calls. Flacco said it today you can't expect to win trying to protect a 3 point lead. You have to continue to attack for points. And until Cam starts using that attitude the problem still exist.
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Ray Rice - 8 carries for 79 yds = 9.88 yds / carry
Ricky Williams - 5 carries for 42 yds = 8.40 yds / carry
Anthony Allen - 3 carries for 8 yds = 2.67 yds / carry

All RBs - 16 carries for 129 yds = 8.06 yds / carry

Don't understand your argument? Now I do think our attempts should be 20-25 range not 15-20 range, but our passing attack was working so why change in this specific game?

[baltravens]

I am not a Cam hater, but I want him to do his job for a whole season. 2 good games and 1 bad. If he cannot do what he is paid to do for a 16-game schedule, then he should be replaced. Call good plays every game Cam, you are getting paid at least a million dollars to do so.

[The Prestige]

I'm 100% about Super Bowls.

My final ranking for 2010 was 32nd for offensive play-callers.

I haven't seen a lot of other teams, but I think Cam is about 7th this season. That said, if he enters the postseason even as high as 3, he could still tumble down into the late 20's if he fails to be aggressive or unpredictable in their final playoff game.

Winning regular season games really doesn't mean much. Winning playoff games doesn't mean much. Getting to a Super Bowl is something. Winning Super Bowls is the reason you play, the main reason you watch.

So, even for super-geniuses like McCarthy and Payton, and for the guys like Muir (Chiefs), Bevell (Seahawks), Harbaugh (49ers) and Grimm (Cardinals), the grade is really "incomplete" for 2011.

[Tatelli]

I'll hold onto my dislike for Cam.... "FOR NOW" As we all have said on many fronts, it's only the 3rd game and I've seen some positive changes and some very similar negatives from this offence. Remember the reason why this topic was made, was not just for this 3rd game but the Game plans/schemes that were used/NOT used last year as well. We all questioned how much "Flexibility" Joe had with the play calling. Those questions came about from very poor play calling/audibles (which I might say are overrated...cough cough) that many of us and others were miffed on. So with that said it is my understanding many things were supposed to change this year......

1- The HC was getting more involved with the Offence.
2- It is Joe's Offence and he will be "MORE" involved with the play calling.
3- New RT, New C/Guard, New deep Threat Rec.'s, IMO some promising Rookie Rec.'s..and one heck of a FB.

So as of right now I'll hold onto my dislike for Cam, next week if they play the way this "O" should play, I'll be more than happy to give Cam/the offence there due credit. This is just my opinion, by no means do I want to be Mr. Negative! The Pitt game was what this team is supposed to do. The Rams..... com on..The only reason people were questioning if we would win or not, was that nagging question....."WHAT RAVENS TEAM WAS SHOWING UP" we did what this team was meant to do.....Crush a team like the Rams. The Titans game.........Just a hiccup? Maybe but some very "old habits" we have come to see from years past. Now I'm praying it was a hiccup, this team is a very solid team...the play offs..I'm looking past that, we have been there the last 3 years. Just my two cents [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

[Jamal]

Lets not be so quick to overreact. Its only week 3, and we just have beaten, what might be the worst team in the NFL.

Week 1, I'll give him credit. He used the TE's perfectly, taking a page out of NE's offense. But lets face it, the 85 Bears would have had trouble beating us that day. The team treated this game like the SB after being repeatedly embarrassed by Pittsburgh last year.

Week 2, our offense struggled mightily. I really have no problem with that though, because even the best offenses have days like these. But once again Cam's lack of adjustments boggled my mind. Its like the gameplan was Ray Rice or bust from kick-off, and never seemed to change. Even when time was precious, and a spread offense would make more sense.

Week 3, the offense put up video game numbers. But lets look at the opponent. Not to take away anything from Smith, (who had an unbelievable game), the guy covering him shouldn't even be on a UFL team. The Rams just look like a terrible team, and while it was nice to see the offense look like such a well oiled machine, I'm not going to overreact. We beat up on a bad team, and thats that.

We actually looked better offensively through 3 weeks in 2009, if you guys can recall, so this isn't the first time we're seeing a Cam Cameron offense having a nice start. Lets see how Cam adjust in the future when the offense is having an off day, and lets see if we could stay consistent against the better defenses in NYJ, Houston etc...

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1317068339' post='805895']
Lets not be so quick to overreact. Its only week 3, and we just have beaten, what might be the worst team in the NFL.

Week 1, I'll give him credit. He used the TE's perfectly, taking a page out of NE's offense. But lets face it, the 85 Bears would have had trouble beating us that day. The team treated this game like the SB after being repeatedly embarrassed by Pittsburgh last year.

Week 2, our offense struggled mightily. I really have no problem with that though, because even the best offenses have days like these. But once again Cam's lack of adjustments boggled my mind. Its like the gameplan was Ray Rice or bust from kick-off, and never seemed to change. Even when time was precious, and a spread offense would make more sense.

Week 3, the offense put up video game numbers. But lets look at the opponent. Not to take away anything from Smith, (who had an unbelievable game), the guy covering him shouldn't even be on a UFL team. The Rams just look like a terrible team, and while it was nice to see the offense look like such a well oiled machine, I'm not going to overreact. We beat up on a bad team, and thats that.

We actually looked better offensively through 3 weeks in 2009, if you guys can recall, so this isn't the first time we're seeing a Cam Cameron offense having a nice start. Lets see how Cam adjust in the future when the offense is having an off day, and lets see if we could stay consistent against the better defenses in NYJ, Houston etc...
[/quote]

Finally, someone with some common sense who hasn't put on the purple shades yet. This has happened before, so I'm not getting my hopes up for anything. Funny how quick some opinions change after a couple wins.

[scrock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1316996691' post='804698']
After a very good showing the last few weeks of last season, I was hopeful it was a sign of things to come.

Week one of this season, Cam did a great job leading us to the destruction of PIT.

Despite a couple questionable calls last week in our loss to TEN, it was ultimately great defense and poor execution that killed us. Despite what many of you may say, I think Cam did well last week.

And now, today was far and away the greatest game I have ever witnessed Cam call.

So, gotta give the man his due. He has done an outstanding job with this offense, and am thoroughly pleased with the trust he has put in Flacco.

Well done Cam.
[/quote]

Maybe Im just being a troll or something IDK

but last week after we lost all the CAM hater threads popped back up because we live and die week to week in this league. The Titans are a good team and we went into thinking it was a cake walk and got beat..the Ravens team that demolished the Steelers and killed the Rams is the TRUE Ravens team...I myself look at the big picture, its week to week, one game at a time...so when we lose the sky is falling and there is plenty of blame to go around..

the OL is still getting used to each other, the OL will get better as the year goes on....with Boldin, Evans, and Torrey now showing what they cand o...not really Evans because he's bee playing injured, the week off should help greatly and he could be back this week against the Jets...I'm sure Rex will be focusing in on stopping our run game, especially after what D McFadden just did to them so I wouldnt be surprised to throw it deep early to Torrey or Evans and just open up the attack often and ealy..and once they are trying to stop our passing game then its time to set Ray Rice freee...and get the two TEs more involved...Dickson made some nice plays but Pitta needs a chance too...two stud TEs, Ray Rice, 3 speedsters in Torrey and Evans...and a big guy who will fight for the ball and rip it our of the defender in Boldin....we have so many weaons and I agree with Joe we shouldnt be squeking out these close games..lets be aggressive and put up pints..early because Mark Sanchez cant beat us with his arm..and even their run game has beeen lacking so far this yearr


*******I know I misspelled some thing in that....I dont care enough to fic them..but I cared enough to make this sentence explaining it haha

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1317068339' post='805895']
Lets not be so quick to overreact. Its only week 3, and we just have beaten, what might be the worst team in the NFL.

Week 1, I'll give him credit. He used the TE's perfectly, taking a page out of NE's offense. But lets face it, the 85 Bears would have had trouble beating us that day. The team treated this game like the SB after being repeatedly embarrassed by Pittsburgh last year.

Week 2, our offense struggled mightily. I really have no problem with that though, because even the best offenses have days like these. But once again Cam's lack of adjustments boggled my mind. Its like the gameplan was Ray Rice or bust from kick-off, and never seemed to change. Even when time was precious, and a spread offense would make more sense.

Week 3, the offense put up video game numbers. But lets look at the opponent. Not to take away anything from Smith, (who had an unbelievable game), the guy covering him shouldn't even be on a UFL team. The Rams just look like a terrible team, and while it was nice to see the offense look like such a well oiled machine, I'm not going to overreact. We beat up on a bad team, and thats that.

We actually looked better offensively through 3 weeks in 2009, if you guys can recall, so this isn't the first time we're seeing a Cam Cameron offense having a nice start. Lets see how Cam adjust in the future when the offense is having an off day, and lets see if we could stay consistent against the better defenses in NYJ, Houston etc...
[/quote]

It's not just through the first 3 weeks of this season, this goes back to the last quarter of last year as well. The last 8 or 9 games (with the exception of our last game against Cincy in week 17) he has done very well in my eyes, so I certainly dont think I'm jumping the gun.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317068586' post='805899']

Finally, someone with some common sense who hasn't put on the purple shades yet. This has happened before, so I'm not getting my hopes up for anything. Funny how quick some opinions change after a couple wins.
[/quote]


Funny how giving a guy credit for doing a good job means that you wear purple shades. Even funnier how stubbornly some people have a death grip on their hate for a guy that they can't just say good job and leave it at that.
Some of us are, you know, grown up and can pat a guy on the back without having a jaded view on things.

[ROH522155]

Let's keep in mind that even though are offense might have a bad game here and there, it doesn't necessarily mean Cam called a bad game. He can call whatever plays we want but ultimately it comes down to the execution of the players on offense.

[flynismo]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1317068831' post='805905']
but last week after we lost all the CAM hater threads popped back up because we live and die week to week in this league.
[/quote]


Only thing I want to say is that I'm not one of these emotional fans who change their opinion every week. As I mentioned earlier, I was complimenting Cam last week -- I wasn't one of the masses who tried to throw him under the bus just because we lost.
My jumping off the Cam hatewagon was a long, studious process.

Seems that certain other people in this thread have trouble grasping that concept.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1317069102' post='805911']


Funny how giving a guy credit for doing a good job means that you wear purple shades. Even funnier how stubbornly some people have a death grip on their hate for a guy that they can't just say good job and leave it at that.
Some of us are, you know, grown up and can pat a guy on the back without having a jaded view on things.
[/quote]

I'll give him his credit at the end of the season knowing that he played a huge role in the Ravens' offense reaching the potential that we all know it can get to. But instead, all I have are the memories of teams coming back, our offense not being able to score a second half TD in quite some time, losing in the playoffs because audibles are overrated and not keeping the foot on the pedal. We'll see how he does against a better defense in the Jets.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ROH522155' timestamp='1317069150' post='805914']
Let's keep in mind that even though are offense might have a bad game here and there, it doesn't necessarily mean Cam called a bad game. He can call whatever plays we want but ultimately it comes down to the execution of the players on offense.
[/quote]

No. Cam is Satan.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1317069427' post='805920']

I'll give him his credit at the end of the season knowing that he played a huge role in the Ravens' offense reaching the potential that we all know it can get to. But instead, all I have are the memories of teams coming back, our offense not being able to score a second half TD in quite some time, losing in the playoffs because audibles are overrated and not keeping the foot on the pedal. We'll see how he does against a better defense in the Jets.
[/quote]

Fair enough. Nothing wrong with waiting a bit longer to see what happens. But if he gets it done, just make sure you acknowledge that. If he doesn't then we'll lynch him. This is his last chance...and I think he is responding very well so far.

[DangerDan]

I look at it this way because of the Steelers and Rams games, I am ok with it. Hope he continues his Steelers/Rams play calling. And at the end of the seasons if we are below 11-5, i blame him and want him gone. The defense is elite, offense is the next step. Players are there, play calling needs to match.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1317048435' post='805490']
I've been a Cam hater on and off.

I still believe that we need to wait until the end of the season to look at the whole picture. (The same thing for all questionable topics instead of having weekly up and down threads).

A lot can change between now and December.

Cam called an awesome game yesterday. The play calls were working. He has it in him (especially when the O-Line plays great). But I want to see Cam make mid game adjustments effectively when we are struggling.
[/quote]

This. He has his ups and downs but his inability to change things when the offense can't put drives together was my biggest gripe with him last year. There hasn't really been any of that so far this year but it's too early to crown him (not saying that you are Fly) considering we're only 3 games in.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1317009489' post='805150']

Yea he or someone did a great job today, but its the inconsistency that is a problem. And im not talking about the players executing plays, im talking about when plays arnt working, STOP trying them over and over again. Case in point, last week , they kept running it up the middle when they clearly were not getting through nor were they wearing down the defense. Also last week , [size=5][i][b]taking 5 mins off the clock when we clearly needed more time[/b][/i][/size]. If thats not camerons fault then i dont know what is, you cant blame it on Joe because they would have told him to hurry up, wouldnt they???
[/quote]


Who [size=4]do[/size] we blame for this?

I think this was the most frustrating 5 minutes of football I have ever watched. It was like nobody wearing purple could see the clock or scoreboard.

I have to say I thought Cam had turned the corner after week 1, but he had to have had a role in last weeks debacle. Even after this week(he did well!), still don't trust his skills or judgement. When he puts a season together(read consistency!), I'll recant.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1317068339' post='805895']
Lets not be so quick to overreact. Its only week 3, and we just have beaten, what might be the worst team in the NFL.

Week 1, I'll give him credit. He used the TE's perfectly, taking a page out of NE's offense. But lets face it, the 85 Bears would have had trouble beating us that day. The team treated this game like the SB after being repeatedly embarrassed by Pittsburgh last year.

Week 2, our offense struggled mightily. I really have no problem with that though, because even the best offenses have days like these[u]. But once again Cam's lack of adjustments boggled my mind.[/u] Its like the gameplan was Ray Rice or bust from kick-off, and never seemed to change. Even when time was precious, and a spread offense would make more sense.

Week 3, the offense put up video game numbers. But lets look at the opponent. Not to take away anything from Smith, (who had an unbelievable game), the guy covering him shouldn't even be on a UFL team. The Rams just look like a terrible team, and while it was nice to see the offense look like such a well oiled machine, I'm not going to overreact. We beat up on a bad team, and thats that.

We actually looked better offensively through 3 weeks in 2009, if you guys can recall, so this isn't the first time we're seeing a Cam Cameron offense having a nice start. Lets see how Cam adjust in the future when the offense is having an off day, and lets see if we could stay consistent against the better defenses in NYJ, Houston etc...
[/quote]

Agreed 100%. I want to see the adjustments he makes to the offense when we struggle. This has always been one of the main reasons why I have given Cam hate. He'll make a gameplan and when it sucks, he keeps going with it hoping it will change.

The adjustments and his predictability has been my issue.

[ravensfan160]

I watched the Rams Monday press conference and their coach said that he feels like there were about 10 called run play that Joe checked to a pass. The Rams were determined to stop Rice and Joe audibled to a pass. Joe really has been given full control of the offense which is great to know.

[CapoRocky]

I agree that it was 30% Cam and 70% Flacco calling the plays.

[Raven146]

[quote]Ray Rice - 8 carries for 79 yds = 9.88 yds / carry
Ricky Williams - 5 carries for 42 yds = 8.40 yds / carry
Anthony Allen - 3 carries for 8 yds = 2.67 yds / carry

All RBs - 16 carries for 129 yds = 8.06 yds / carry

Don't understand your argument? Now I do think our attempts should be 20-25 range not 15-20 range, but our passing attack was working so why change in this specific game? [/quote]



I agree the numbers look great until you back out the 53 yds on 1 play. Which means the rest of the game Ray rushed 7 times for an average of 3. 9 yds per carry. Still good .

But we were 6 for 15 on 3rd downs.

and although we had 3 FG's there was no additional offensive scoring after the first quarter. That is saying a lot about the offense.