THE Start/Sit thread

[PuRock]

Also... for my flex position...

 

I currently have CJ Spiller and Frank Gore as my starting running backs.

 

I have Chris Johnson in the flex right now. Levitre and Warmack could end up as good as Yanda/Osemele, and I really like Roos at LT. Think he could have a big year... but he is against the Steelers.

 

I have Torrey Smith (oops!) and Dwayne Bowe starting at WR (Bowe should have a good game vs the Jags).

 

My choices other than Johnson are TY Hilton (Andrew Luck vs the Raiders... he should do well), Darren Sproles (for some reason he's struggled vs the Falcons), Desean Jackson (can see him doing well vs Washington), Mike Wallace (want to wait to see how well he works with Tannehill) and Daryl Richardson (the Cards D is not bad at all, but I think he'll get a lot of touches).

 

Thoughts?

 

Is this a ppr league or standard?  

 

In a standard league I'd go CJ.  Last year against the Steelers he rushed for 91 yards and added 4 catches for 23 yards.  But I understand the hesitation.  This game is in Pittsburgh instead of Tenn.

 

In a ppr league, I'd probably go DeSean Jackson.  Him or Sproles.    

[Jalxsu]

Well given Julius big game yesterday, its hard to deny.  But I highly doubt the Broncos throw for 400+ yards and 7 TDs every game.  It's going to be hard for consistency.  

 

But with that being said.  Out of all those guys I'd most want Cameron & Julius on my team RIGHT NOW. 

 

Myers hasn't been much of a factor in PS and I worry about his role in that offense going forward.  Sudfeld fate is still in the air.  Cook is more of a play in standard league, but he's not going to be a high volume guy.  

 

Of course the Broncos won't do as well in every game, but their offense has so many weapons, I can see Julius getting open... a lot.

 

You keep hearing people talk about Cameron as a sleeper, but if I'm honest, I'm not sure if I'd even heard of him before the pre-season started!!

 

I understand what you're saying about Myers, but the Cowboys vs Giants is usually a shoot out. I think I'll see how he plays this week, and if he doesn't look anything too special, I'll switch him for Julius.

 

Again, agree on Sudfeld - we just don't know how he'll do... but we all know how much the Pats love to use their TEs. Again, I'll see how often he's targeted before making my mind up on him.

 

Now from what I've heard, Cook has already built up a great rapport with Sam Bradford. He just looks like he should be an elite TE, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to come together for him. Bradford is an upgrade over Locker though, so maybe he'll finally hit his potential.

[PuRock]

You keep hearing people talk about Cameron as a sleeper, but if I'm honest, I'm not sure if I'd even heard of him before the pre-season started!!

 

I understand what you're saying about Myers, but the Cowboys vs Giants is usually a shoot out. I think I'll see how he plays this week, and if he doesn't look anything too special, I'll switch him for Julius.

 

Now from what I've heard, Cook has already built up a great rapport with Sam Bradford. He just looks like he should be an elite TE, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to come together for him. Bradford is an upgrade over Locker though, so maybe he'll finally hit his potential.

 

Cameron has the benefit of having both a HC and offensive coordinator who make star out of their TEs.  The TE always plays a huge role in their offenses.  In addition, Cameron is a very athletic pass-catcher and there is a lot to like.  He was on the radar last year, but the offense just didn't cater to him.  

 

Myers helped me a lot in ppr leagues last year.  But Eli isn't going to rely on Myers like Palmer did last year.  I just don't see Myers as having a very high ceiling.  He doesn't exactly exhibit any special skills.  That's why I want the guys who can be game changers. 

 

Cook does have great chemistry.  But in the end I think you are looking at a stat sheet that says 2 or 3 catches for 67 yards and hopefully you get a TD.  They are using Cook to stretch the Seams, I just don't see him racking up targets.  

[Jalxsu]

Is this a ppr league or standard?  

 

In a standard league I'd go CJ.  Last year against the Steelers he rushed for 91 yards and added 4 catches for 23 yards.  But I understand the hesitation.  This game is in Pittsburgh instead of Tenn.

 

In a ppr league, I'd probably go DeSean Jackson.  Him or Sproles.    

 

Yeah, standard league.

 

Like I've said, I really like CJ... but I also worry a bit that Shonn Greene will be used in goal line situations, eating more in to his fantasy value.

 

What ever happens, I can only see a blow out in Oakland, but Luck has so many different targets. Hilton could put up the numbers like D. Thomas last night, or he could put up next to nothing like Decker. I guess at least with Johnson you can be certain he will at least be in the points.

 

And I'm so excited about watching the Eagles. The Redskins have a fairly old D, and I just don't know if they'll be able to keep up with the Eagles fast pace offense. I think Jackson will bounce back and have a huge year. With Maclin out injured he should get targetted more often, but Avant and Cooper are both solid receivers, and they have 3 TEs who would have been better than we had last night (Celek, Casey and Ertz), so he won't always be in double coverage.

 

 

ARRGH! Feel like my head's going to explode. Too many choices! 

[Jalxsu]

Cameron has the benefit of having both a HC and offensive coordinator who make star out of their TEs.  The TE always plays a huge role in their offenses.  In addition, Cameron is a very athletic pass-catcher and there is a lot to like.  He was on the radar last year, but the offense just didn't cater to him.  

 

Myers helped me a lot in ppr leagues last year.  But Eli isn't going to rely on Myers like Palmer did last year.  I just don't see Myers as having a very high ceiling.  He doesn't exactly exhibit any special skills.  That's why I want the guys who can be game changers. 

 

Cook does have great chemistry.  But in the end I think you are looking at a stat sheet that says 2 or 3 catches for 67 yards and hopefully you get a TD.  They are using Cook to stretch the Seams, I just don't see him racking up targets.  

 

You're getting me more interested in Cameron. I'll make sure to watch the Browns/Dolphins game on Sunday and then try and make my mind up.

 

You also make sense on Myers. He's a very solid tight end, but doesn't stand out in any particular area. When I've watched the Giants recently, Martellus Bennett has looked pretty good when receiving, but you're correct, he wasn't used anywhere near as much as when you watch a team like the Pats/Falcons/Cowboys/Ravens. I guess they've got one of the top slot receivers in the game in Cruz to use as their primary possession receiver.

 

And I see what you're saying with Cook, he's a bit boom or bust. I still want to keep him on my roster, if only to put in when he's going up against a slower secondary. To me, he's a poor man's Vernon Davis.

[PuRock]

You're getting me more interested in Cameron. I'll make sure to watch the Browns/Dolphins game on Sunday and then try and make my mind up.

 

You also make sense on Myers. He's a very solid tight end, but doesn't stand out in any particular area. When I've watched the Giants recently, Martellus Bennett has looked pretty good when receiving, but you're correct, he wasn't used anywhere near as much as when you watch a team like the Pats/Falcons/Cowboys/Ravens. I guess they've got one of the top slot receivers in the game in Cruz to use as their primary possession receiver.

 

And I see what you're saying with Cook, he's a bit boom or bust. I still want to keep him on my roster, if only to put in when he's going up against a slower secondary. To me, he's a poor man's Vernon Davis.

 

I know how you feel about juggling the options at TE.  I think across my leagues I own a lot of the middling TEs: Myers, Cook, Cameron, Sudfeld, Pettigrew, Finley, Bennett.

 

Its still a crapshoot until the games start.  Right now its more of a gut feeling and examination of the situations.  Who really knows who'll break out.  That's why if you like Myers, stick w/ Myers until you start getting a good sense of expectations down the road.  

[usmccharles]

With all this TE talk i thought id throw out my thoughts, i cant remember if i did already.  I took gronk in the 5th in a 12 team league and took sudfield late.  Ill start sudfield till gronk comes back, worst case scenario sudfield is like hernadez and still produces, not to mention hes bigger than gronk and has good hands from what i hear. 

[flaccopoe]

With all this TE talk i thought id throw out my thoughts, i cant remember if i did already.  I took gronk in the 5th in a 12 team league and took sudfield late.  Ill start sudfield till gronk comes back, worst case scenario sudfield is like hernadez and still produces, not to mention hes bigger than gronk and has good hands from what i hear. 

 

Great strategy.  Can you start 2 TEs?

[gabefergy]

Sudfeld or Jordan. I think they both have big games. .5 ppr so leaning Jordan.

[T3hRaven]

Sudfeld or Jordan. I think they both have big games. .5 ppr so leaning Jordan.

 

Tough call, the Dolphins are worse on defense but Sudfeld has Brady.  I'd probably lean towards the guy who has Brady, especially with Gronk out.

[gabefergy]

Tough call, the Dolphins are worse on defense but Sudfeld has Brady. I'd probably lean towards the guy who has Brady, especially with Gronk out.

Hmm maybe. Jordan is likely #1 target in Cle though.

[buckwild307]

I have drew brees and manning in my league and right now with manning and tucker i have 55.28 points

[PuRock]

Sudfeld or Jordan. I think they both have big games. .5 ppr so leaning Jordan.

 

I have the exact same conundrum in one league.  I'm going Cameron.  

[EdReedFTW]

who do you guys think I should start as my flex. Lance Moore or Chris Ivory? 

[Mt. Crushmore]

who do you guys think I should start as my flex. Lance Moore or Chris Ivory? 

 

Lance Moore

[PuRock]

who do you guys think I should start as my flex. Lance Moore or Chris Ivory? 

 

Another Moore.

 

PSA:  Start all relevant Saints & Falcons.  

[EdReedFTW]

That's how I was leaning. I wouldnt be surprised if that game had 70 points scored. But.. you know... running backs are key and all. 

[PuRock]

That's how I was leaning. I wouldnt be surprised if that game had 70 points scored. But.. you know... running backs are key and all. 

 

The matchup got even more juicier for the Saints.  Samuel has been ruled out.  

 

A little worried about Ivory.  I have him in two leagues and he's riding the pine in both.  I want to see the share between Powell and Ivory, and I want to see how effective they can be.  The Bucs were the #1 rushing D last year (this was partly due to everyone passing on them). 

[Mt. Crushmore]

The matchup got even more juicier for the Saints.  Samuel has been ruled out.  

 

A little worried about Ivory.  I have him in two leagues and he's riding the pine in both.  I want to see the share between Powell and Ivory, and I want to see how effective they can be.  The Bucs were the #1 rushing D last year (this was partly due to everyone passing on them). 

 

Gerald McCoy and Lavonte David were a big part of that as well though.

[usmccharles]

Crazy day so far in fantasy football, i was dead wrong about sudfield for NE, but luckily i have vareen as well.  Sidenote, Bush is exactly what i thought he would be...

[PuRock]

Crazy day so far in fantasy football, i was dead wrong about sudfield for NE, but luckily i have vareen as well.  Sidenote, Bush is exactly what i thought he would be...

 

I think a lot of were dead wrong on Sudfeld.  I started him in a flex in one league.  When Gronk comes back, it'll get even worse.  

 

I'm cutting him this week in the two leagues I own him.  The guy didn't look to be a part of the plan at all.  They preferred to use Edelman as that next option.  

[PuRock]

You're getting me more interested in Cameron. I'll make sure to watch the Browns/Dolphins game on Sunday and then try and make my mind up.

 

 

Hope you got to watch why so many people are high on Cameron.  He is going to be a key focal point of that offense, and on top of that he is using his athleticism to make some great catches.  Very high ceiling.  

[usmccharles]

I think a lot of were dead wrong on Sudfeld.  I started him in a flex in one league.  When Gronk comes back, it'll get even worse.  

 

I'm cutting him this week in the two leagues I own him.  The guy didn't look to be a part of the plan at all.  They preferred to use Edelman as that next option.  

Yea, i just have him as my fill in for Gronk, i will have to look on the waiver wire.

[gabefergy]

I got rocked by Jared Cook/Anquan Boldin in 2 different leagues. Ouch.

 

Didn't GB watch any tape on Boldin? When they covered him man, he made one or two catches, most of his plays came on just sitting wide open in a zone. Bad defense.

[usmccharles]

I got rocked by Jared Cook/Anquan Boldin in 2 different leagues. Ouch.

 

Didn't GB watch any tape on Boldin? When they covered him man, he made one or two catches, most of his plays came on just sitting wide open in a zone. Bad defense.

Yea that was an awesome display of what Boldin is.  Very bitter sweet. 

[T3hRaven]

I got rocked by Jared Cook/Anquan Boldin in 2 different leagues. Ouch.

 

Didn't GB watch any tape on Boldin? When they covered him man, he made one or two catches, most of his plays came on just sitting wide open in a zone. Bad defense.

 

You're destroying me with Peyton in one of the leagues that matter right now.

 

And Boldin can make catches in man coverage, making contested catches in man coverage is kinda his thing.  The question is does Kaep have the go switch to throw it to somebody who isn't open.  But yeah if you let him sit in zone he'll carve you up too.

[gabefergy]

You're destroying me with Peyton in one of the leagues that matter right now.

 

And Boldin can make catches in man coverage, making contested catches in man coverage is kinda his thing.  The question is does Kaep have the go switch to throw it to somebody who isn't open.  But yeah if you let him sit in zone he'll carve you up too.

He definitely made at least one really nice contested catch, but the majority of his plays came when he was wide open.

[T3hRaven]

He definitely made at least one really nice contested catch, but the majority of his plays came when he was wide open.

 

Today yes, but I'm saying a large part of his skillset in general is making contested catches.  He definitely showed that off in the playoffs since he was too slow to break away from coverage the vast majority of the time.

[gabefergy]

Today yes, but I'm saying a large part of his skillset in general is making contested catches.  He definitely showed that off in the playoffs since he was too slow to break away from coverage the vast majority of the time.

Yeah, it's very true. I don't know if Kap is going to utilize him like that though. I think if a defense is smart and locks him up in man coverage like we saw a ton of for the past 3 years his numbers will fall back in line with what he did here.

[T3hRaven]

Yeah, it's very true. I don't know if Kap is going to utilize him like that though. I think if a defense is smart and locks him up in man coverage like we saw a ton of for the past 3 years his numbers will fall back in line with what he did here.

 

I agree.  I don't think Kaep has Flacco's ability as a passer to fit the ball into tight windows like that, not that he has a weak arm, and I don't think he has Flacco's go switch.  Additionally, the 49ers are going to run the ball a lot more than they did today.  The Packers did a really good job shutting that down until the fourth quarter when it all fell apart.  When he's able to, I'm guessing Kaep will run instead of looking for Boldin when the play breaks down.  The gameplan was specifically to stop Kaep's running and the read option today, and I'd say that in that respect the Packers were fairly successful.  Their secondary stunk though, but they were missing their starting safety so that didn't help.