Non-Existent 3rd Receiver?

[Tyler]

Aside from the Usual 3(Boldin/Evans/TE combo) We have NO production whatsoever from our slot receivers. I know Smith is a rookie, but when you look around the league, So many teams are using multiple receivers to attack opposing defenses. Teams such as Green Bay, New England. New Orleans, San Diego and So on all utilize multiple receivers outside of the top two. Obviously those teams that I stated have elite quarterbacks that spread the ball around, but a lot has to do with the playcalling. Even teams with lesser known quarterbacks are using all of their receivers. This has become a pass driven, big play league which depends on all of the receivers contributing. Activating Tandon Doss would be a good start, but I would definitely like to see more of the receivers than just Boldin, Evans and the Tight ends targeted. Thoughts?

[wizard1]

[quote name='Tyler' timestamp='1316482005' post='798783']
Aside from the Usual 3(Boldin/Evans/TE combo) We have NO production whatsoever from our slot receivers. I know Smith is a rookie, but when you look around the league, So many teams are using multiple receivers to attack opposing defenses. Teams such as Green Bay, New England. New Orleans, San Diego and So on all utilize multiple receivers outside of the top two. Obviously those teams that I stated have elite quarterbacks that spread the ball around, but a lot has to do with the playcalling. Even teams with lesser known quarterbacks are using all of their receivers. This has become a pass driven, big play league which depends on all of the receivers contributing. Activating Tandon Doss would be a good start, but I would definitely like to see more of the receivers than just Boldin, Evans and the Tight ends targeted. Thoughts?
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We have to have a quarterback that can stand up to the pressure and find those open receivers first-right now I don't think we have that. and unless Flacco has the time to stroll around and find the open guy we don't even need a 3rd receiver. He's having a hard enough time getting the ball to Boldin.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1316482425' post='798795']
We have to have a quarterback that can stand up to the pressure and find those open receivers first-right now I don't think we have that. and unless Flacco has the time to stroll around and find the open guy we don't even need a 3rd receiver. He's having a hard enough time getting the ball to Boldin.
[/quote]

Hard for the QB to "stand up to the pressure" when his offensive line is getting him pummeled. My concern is not the WR's right now, it's the OL.

[gregreid5]

and the patriots for the most part use 2 TEs just like we are trying to do. We have Ray Rice and they dont have that. Rice is an Every play player, and Boldin/Evans and the 2 TEs is the best matchup for us

[Florida Ravens Fan]

The O-line is not the problem Flacco had plenty of time to throw, most of the game. It was the recievers that couldn't get seperation.

[wizard1]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1316482853' post='798806']

Hard for the QB to "stand up to the pressure" when his offensive line is getting him pummeled. My concern is not the WR's right now, it's the OL.
[/quote]
We have the biggest O-line in football I don't know why they can't protect him better-I'm beginning to think the Steelers game was some kind of fluke. I hope I'm wrong but we will see next week but right now on MNF the Rams and Bradford look like they will handle us!

[The Raven]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1316483203' post='798820']
The O-line is not the problem Flacco had plenty of time to throw, most of the game. It was the recievers that couldn't get seperation.
[/quote]

It was a mixture. I believe he was sacked 3 times, hit 10, and hurried 15 or somethin like that. They showed the stats on the game, and he OL needs to do better. Of course, the WRs lack of seperation hurts too.

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1316483364' post='798825']
We have the biggest O-line in football I don't know why they can't protect him better-I'm beginning to think the Steelers game was some kind of fluke. I hope I'm wrong but we will see next week but right now on MNF the Rams and Bradford look like they will handle us!
[/quote]

I wouldn't say we have the biggest, and we don't know the steelers game was a fluke yet. We've played [u][b]2[/b][/u] games.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1316482425' post='798795']
We have to have a quarterback that can stand up to the pressure and find those open receivers first-right now I don't think we have that. and unless Flacco has the time to stroll around and find the open guy we don't even need a 3rd receiver. He's having a hard enough time getting the ball to Boldin.[/quote]


I don't know what you mean by "stand up to the pressure"? Last time I checked this is a TEAM SPORT! They were all off on Sunday, but hey it happens. I'm not going to pretend I'm not upset about the embarrassing loss, but don't act like its all on him. Give credit Flacco has been great rolling out the pocket, avoiding sacks this year. Those two interception was him trying to force something. He is not manning, we can't depend on him to win game alone, he needs the TEAM to play well to win.

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1316483364' post='798825']
We have the biggest O-line in football I don't know why they can't protect him better-I'm beginning to think the Steelers game was some kind of fluke. I hope I'm wrong but we will see next week but [b]right now on MNF the Rams and Bradford look like they will handle us![/b]
[/quote]

The Rams are an adequate opponent but they're not looking it in the first half. I don't know what you're talking about.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1316483978' post='798839']
I don't know what you mean by "stand up to the pressure"? Last time I checked this is a TEAM SPORT! They were all off on Sunday, but hey it happens. I'm not going to pretend I'm not upset about the embarrassing loss, but don't act like its all on him. Give credit Flacco has been great rolling out the pocket, avoiding sacks this year. Those two interception was him trying to force something. He is not manning, we can't depend on him to win game alone, he needs the TEAM to play well to win.
[/quote]
But the great quarterbacks that win Super Bowls do win games almost alone-if we don't have a guy that's gonna step up when the other are having an off day then what do we have exactly?

[Militant X 1]

i said it in the preseason that i wanted to see IF Flacco could throw some passing TDs. cats tried to speak negatively of my posts about this but to me...it was a sign or indicator of what our offense could possibly look like. vs the steelers? we looked good....or...were the steelers just funky? vs the Titans...we looked like the Ravens from last season. smh! where is Torrey? where is Tandon? Lee is constantly putting boots on his foot. Flacco has returned to his "check-down" and holding the ball way too long junk. the O-line got smacked around....again! WRs dropping passes. and i won't even start with our D. smh! the inconsistency of our team just pisses me off. really it does! but....i still believe that our boys can and will turn this around starting next week!

~Mili

[wizard1]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1316484556' post='798852']

The Rams are an adequate opponent but they're not looking it in the first half. I don't know what you're talking about.
[/quote]
I think the hurry up will give us huge problems-but you are right they aren't looking to good right this sec!

[wizard1]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1316483978' post='798839']
I don't know what you mean by "stand up to the pressure"? Last time I checked this is a TEAM SPORT! They were all off on Sunday, but hey it happens. I'm not going to pretend I'm not upset about the embarrassing loss, but don't act like its all on him. Give credit Flacco has been great rolling out the pocket, avoiding sacks this year. Those two interception was him trying to force something. He is not manning, we can't depend on him to win game alone, he needs the TEAM to play well to win.
[/quote]
It isn't all Flaccos fault but we have been making excuses for him going on 4 years now-there has to be a time limit. I hate to say it but it reminds me of the Boller experiment-it was always next game and next year and this is getting way old. I like Flacco he's a good kid but he just doesn't have all the tools and some things just can't be coached.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1316484922' post='798857']
i said it in the preseason that i wanted to see IF Flacco could throw some passing TDs. cats tried to speak negatively of my posts about this but to me...it was a sign or indicator of what our offense could possibly look like. vs the steelers? we looked good....or...were the steelers just funky? vs the Titans...we looked like the Ravens from last season. smh! where is Torrey? where is Tandon? Lee is constantly putting boots on his foot. Flacco has returned to his "check-down" and holding the ball way too long junk. the O-line got smacked around....again! WRs dropping passes. and i won't even start with our D. smh! the inconsistency of our team just pisses me off. really it does! but....i still believe that our boys can and will turn this around starting next week!

~Mili
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I hope you are right-but I've been living this same twilight zone dream for too long-I don't know what kind of team we are and thats just damn scary!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1316484645' post='798854']
But the great quarterbacks that win Super Bowls do win games almost alone-if we don't have a guy that's gonna step up when the other are having an off day then what do we have exactly?
[/quote]

That is just false. They do not win it alone. Their WRs do not drop critical passes. Their O line does not collapse on every other play or draw unnecessary penalties. (cough false starts cough). Their WRs don't waste time arguing with the ref over non-calls or calls. (yes, the PI should have been called but get your butt back to the huddle). They don't have an OC who refuses to take to the air (or even run right instead of left) when his illustrious initial game plan does not work. And they are allowed to audible. For all their talk, I really don't see any evidence that Joe is allowed to do this that often.

[Ravenseconbeast]

They need to move away Torrey Smith for a while till his a impact player and bring in other players that can play.
I know the players/Coach believes in him, but he hasnt shown anything in the actual field.

We need to stop experimenting and just use what works. And when Torrey Smith is that monster player, sure..bring the guy in. But you can't base our game on hope and hype. It has to show in the actual field. Bring in Doss, i think its time we see what he got in week3.

[Kwothdaraven]

Some people need to relax after one game. Now all of a suddeb flacco is a guy who can't spread the ball around? Last time I checked he was one of the best at that.

Alteron verner and courtland finegan are two damn good corners. Give him a break. Flacci had a worse game last year against the bengals and was a beast for the rest of the season.

Was tom brady all of a sudden a bad qb after the ravens whooped him in the playoffs?

Flacco and this team is allowed to have off days. And I have to say that cams ancient air coryal offense doesent help flacco in the slightest

[1/28/01]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1316484556' post='798852']


The Rams are an adequate opponent but they're not looking it in the first half. I don't know what you're talking about.
[/quote]
No one ever does....

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1316485154' post='798864']

It isn't all Flaccos fault but we have been making excuses for him going on 4 years now-there has to be a time limit. I hate to say it but it reminds me of the Boller experiment-it was always next game and next year and this is getting way old. I like Flacco he's a good kid but he just doesn't have all the tools and some things just can't be coached.
[/quote]
You're clueless if you think Flacco is anywhere near the same stratosphere as Boller. I think (hope) you're just playing with us, cause your posting is mind numbing!

[Ravens Beast]

Anything wizard1 posts I automatically disregard.

[CorvusCorax]

It was an off day for the entire team. I think it was a combo of hangover from the Week 1 win, undergame planning and being out played on all phases.

It was a total disappointment.

NOw we HAVE to look to our young WRs. Our #2 and 3 WRs appear to be out for next week. I'd like to see what Torrey can finally do. Freaking send him out on the first offensive play and have him go for it. Get it out of his system. Rotate T. Smith and L. Williams on freaking 9 routes and tire out their CBs or something lol. I dunno, but let's get something going for crying out loud!

I've grown tired of seeing a stagnating offense when other teams shut down Rice.

[BloodRaven]

Our corps has made 9 receptions in two games. We truly are a black hole for wide receivers.

[Romo Ravens]

Smart offenses with smart OC's (no matter who the QB is) play to it's strengths. What are ours? A physical, over the middle possession WR in Boldin, same with the TE's, along with a few speedy and young WR's. I'm just about tired of this coaching staff, not having the balls to just let it all loose and spread the defense with Flacco going into shotgun most of the time. If we had Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy, Let's face it, Flacco would probably have eclipsed 4,000 yards already, on pace to do it again this year, he would have owned the cover 2, and Boldin would probably have over 1,000 yards with 7+ TD's in his first year as a Raven.

There's comes a point where you can't just be content with 11-5 seasons and losing the first or second playoff game, then thinking "hey, that's ok. Our team played really well, we'll fix the offensive issues, Cam will have more weapons to work with, and Flacco will be elite next year." Haven't we heard this since the end of the 2008 season? Not activating Tandon Doss and playing him before Torrey Smith pisses me off to no end. Not giving LaQuan a chance after a successful preseason is uncalled for. Our magnificent WR core all combing for 9 catches in two games is unacceptable. Not being able to beat the Titans after we thumped the Steelers is not only annoying, but it's embarrassing. Ray Rice is the only player to catch a TD pass that game, and he is the RB! As fans, we can't just let it all go and wait for the next game, because this team has been inconsistent since 2008 even though we're stacked. If we don't win it all this year, some serious changes need to be made, because I just can't sit back and let some of my favorite Ravens retire without winning a first or a second.

[austrianravensfan]

I agree with Romo Ravens, the coaches had enough time to build a consistent footballteam, with a real identety, it's easy to say, "we play hard, agressive, relentless", but sooner or later you have to back that up on the field.

Some people might say we are overreacting as fans to be pissed of after one loss, and I agree it's to early to call for someones head (especially after Lockout, that still has a strong Impact on players and coaches), but if this Team goes from great to bad in one week like in the previous seasons, something big has to change.
We are all sick of hearing, "next year is going to be our year"

[Radinho84]

[quote name='austrianravensfan' timestamp='1316504597' post='799000']
I agree with Romo Ravens, the coaches had enough time to build a consistent footballteam, with a real identety, it's easy to say, "we play hard, agressive, relentless", but sooner or later you have to back that up on the field.

Some people might say we are overreacting as fans to be pissed of after one loss, and I agree it's to early to call for someones head [b](especially after Lockout, that still has a strong Impact on players and coaches), [/b]but if this Team goes from great to bad in one week like in the previous seasons, something big has to change.
We are all sick of hearing, "next year is going to be our year"
[/quote]
not that i dont´t agree with you on the point that it is way too early for calling heads but all the teams had those short offseason. that is not an excuse as it was the same for everyone. plus we do not have any key injuries like other teams have or had.
we need to execute. use our weapons and use all of them. i wonder why harbs was like crazy when we got torrey and doss and now it seems like we don´t whant to use them. for me it seems like a player need to be on the team for 3 years to get on the field. like kruger or some others. what is with kindle? why don´t we play him? the only guy really making the team seems to be mcphee. dressing up on gameday and spending the whole game on the sideline doesn´t mean to be on the team!!!

[austrianravensfan]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1316507553' post='799008']
i wonder why harbs was like crazy when we got torrey and doss and now it seems like we don´t whant to use them. for me it seems like a player need to be on the team for 3 years to get on the field. like kruger or some others. what is with kindle? why don´t we play him? the only guy really making the team seems to be mcphee. dressing up on gameday and spending the whole game on the sideline doesn´t mean to be on the team!!!
[/quote]


Yeah that's a good point why our rookies don't get playing time, seeing how cobb does with GB, I'm just wondering why we let our guy jimmy smith get hurt on special teams, when his supposed to be our shutdown corner one day.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='austrianravensfan' timestamp='1316515207' post='799021']


Yeah that's a good point why our rookies don't get playing time, seeing how cobb does with GB, I'm just wondering why we let our guy jimmy smith get hurt on special teams, when his supposed to be our shutdown corner one day.[/quote]

No offense, but why do people assume Jimmy is going to come in and all of sudden be a star cb? He hasn't played in a real game,its his first year, who knows might be a bust ?? And how did they let him get hurt ? They had no controll of that. I'm sure if they new he was going to get hurt, they wouldn't put him on ST.

[The Raven]

[quote name='austrianravensfan' timestamp='1316515207' post='799021']


Yeah that's a good point why our rookies don't get playing time, seeing how cobb does with GB, I'm just wondering why we [b]let our guy jimmy smith get hurt on special teams, when his supposed to be our shutdown corner one day.[/b]
[/quote]

Hahahaha. We let him get hurt. Thats cute.

NO!!! Jimmy is not a pansy. He's not better than anyone else. I dont know what's wrong with him playing ST's. No one would be upset if he didn't get hurt. He's got just as big a chance of getting hurt playing corner or going down the stairs as playing ST's.

[austrianravensfan]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1316516179' post='799024']
No offense, but why do people assume Jimmy is going to come in and all of sudden be a star cb? He hasn't played on a real game,its his first year, who knows might be a bust ?? And how did they let him get hurt ? They had no controll of that. I'm sure if they new he was going to hurt, they wouldn't put him on that position on ST.
[/quote]

On Kickoffs there are more Injuries then on any other play, so why put our 1st round pick out there, with an already banged up secondary? I also didn't say that he's a star CB, but I'm pretty sure he'd do a better job then Foxworth with his knee mabey at 60%.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='austrianravensfan' timestamp='1316517217' post='799031']

On Kickoffs there are more Injuries then on any other play, so why put our 1st round pick out there, with an already banged up secondary? I also didn't say that he's a star CB, but I'm pretty sure he'd do a better job then Foxworth with his knee mabey at 60%.[/quote]

I understand what you mean, but just like other players they felt he had to contribute on ST. He doesnt get the special treatment just cause hes a first rounder, and I know foxy sucks at the moment (well he was nvr really that impressive) but its the option they felt was best.