Defense Going Forward

[OdinsRavens]

Pollard needs his shot. I'm tired of watching Zibby run around making some half [profanity deleted] tackle after the catch. If they catch it we need a wrecking ball back there to light them up.

[jus'_crAzy]

JJ was a DE for Alabama in college, and now you guys want him playing ILB? I don't doubt that he'll do his best to make the adjustments, but talk about playin Madden...

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ray of light' timestamp='1316475712' post='798633']
Well my solution for the defence going forward is a 4-3 not 3-4. I know the 3-4 is trendy now, but I think we would be a monster again with a 4-3 alignment. Here me out. Remember when we had two planet sized men in the middle. What happened then? SB and the best defence in league history. Ngata and Cody could definitely fill those roles. This will free up Ray and the others to roam the field. Suggs, Kindle, Kruger, JJ and McPhee could rotate on DE. Kick McClain and Ellerbe outside. Think this would help our pass rush and also take the heat of our secondary. I agree your CB should never be the leading tackler on your team. I realize that this is not a switch in the middle of the season kind of thing and I know it's not as simple as maybe somebody switching positions, but I think we could be a historic defence again. Well that's my two cents.
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Biggest problem is we dont have a MLB that can go sideline to sideline like Ray used to do and dominate the middle of the field and Ngata is still working on being a pocket pusher. We have some essential elements, Suggs would do well as a DE, we could put Kruger at RDE. Kindle can easily play the Will and be a rush LB like Boulware was.

[The Raven]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1316539329' post='799350']

And yet they measure it at the combine, how odd is that. Of course they dont run in a straight line we all knew that. So ummm. football speed what do we measure that with, a ruler, a yard stick, or as so many people on here who cant support an argument on speed say, "I look at the tape" except that is the most useless reference ever for speed. Chris Johnson ran pretty fast in the 40, who knew he was fast, so did vick, so did AP, so did Patrick Peterson, so did stanford route, so did calvin johnson, did deion??? Only people who "watch the tape" are surprised these guys are fast. Everybody else who pays attention to the combine already knew that, and for all of those guys I would say it translated but who knows, maybe it is really McKinnie who is fast since since ya know the combine does not matter. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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I'm not saying the combine doesn't matter, but 40 times are regarded too highly. Usain Bolt runs a 4 flat or somethin like that. (I'm no track expert) Does that make him a good NFL CB? Nope.

In addition, the combine is run without pads. I don't care how fast you can run if you don't produce. Anyone remember Figurs?

Also, Ed Reed ran a 4.57 at the combine ([url="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60057&draftyear=2002&genpos=fs"]http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60057&draftyear=2002&genpos=fs[/url])

But he is fast on the field. Is Zbikowski faster than Reed? Based on your logic he is. Football speed and track speed are different. And it's really a generally accepted fact.

[codizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1316565694' post='799932']



I'm not saying the combine doesn't matter, but 40 times are regarded too highly. Usain Bolt runs a 4 flat or somethin like that. (I'm no track expert) Does that make him a good NFL CB? Nope.

In addition, the combine is run without pads. I don't care how fast you can run if you don't produce. Anyone remember Figurs?

Also, Ed Reed ran a 4.57 at the combine ([url="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60057&draftyear=2002&genpos=fs"]http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60057&draftyear=2002&genpos=fs[/url])

But he is fast on the field. Is Zbikowski faster than Reed? Based on your logic he is. Football speed and track speed are different. And it's really a generally accepted fact.


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.... Agreed
if it was based off of how fast u can run, ray lewis wouldnt even be in the game anymore. Thats why its called "game speed". It involves a lot more than just how fast u can run in a straight line

[The Raven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1316567375' post='799958']
.... Agreed
if it was based off of how fast u can run, ray lewis wouldnt even be in the game anymore. Thats why its called "game speed". It involves a lot more than just how fast u can run in a straight line
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thanks for agreeing. Makes sense to me man.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1316565694' post='799932']


I'm not saying the combine doesn't matter, but 40 times are regarded too highly. Usain Bolt runs a 4 flat or somethin like that. (I'm no track expert) Does that make him a good NFL CB? Nope.

In addition, the combine is run without pads. I don't care how fast you can run if you don't produce. Anyone remember Figurs?

Also, Ed Reed ran a 4.57 at the combine ([url="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=60057&draftyear=2002&genpos=fs"]http://www.nfldrafts...=2002&genpos=fs[/url])

But he is fast on the field. Is Zbikowski faster than Reed? Based on your logic he is. Football speed and track speed are different. And it's really a generally accepted fact.

[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Holy Crap there was a lot irrelevant things in that whole thing.

Ok in regards to Usain bolt (although completely irrelevant) He runs a fast 40 pretty sure he would be a very fast player. That is what I said. Again recapping for clarity, it is my opinion that generally your 40 time is a good indicator of speed on the field, hence the reason people usually draft fast combine times with the safe assumption that they are in fact fast. I am really not sure how I can put that any plainer.

I never, not once, remotely implied (ok ran out of ways to make it clear) that just because you are faster makes you better. In fact that is what you hinted at saying that Zibby was better in pass pro because he was faster than pollard. Your whole "Has anybody heard of Figurs" thing actually undermined your entire posts previously, but ok.

Now Yes Zibby is faster, When coming out of College he was probably faster, again never once said he was better than Reed but probably faster but again .05 seconds is really hard to tell in the combine much less the field.

I am not sure where this got lost in translation but once again. Odds are if you are fast at the combine you are fast on the field.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1316567375' post='799958']
.... Agreed
if it was based off of how fast u can run, ray lewis wouldnt even be in the game anymore. Thats why its called "game speed". It involves a lot more than just how fast u can run in a straight line
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Ok, the argument was speed translates to the field, not if it makes you a good player. And actually coming out of college Ray was considered very fast for an ILB. I know you are not going to say that experience does not matter, because yeah Ray is not very fast anymore but while he was fast he was learning which has allowed him to be here for so long.

The whole thing had nothing to do with just because you are fast means you are good.

[Alexir]

[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1316543966' post='799436']
JJ was a DE for Alabama in college, and now you guys want him playing ILB? I don't doubt that he'll do his best to make the adjustments, but talk about playin Madden...
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Defensive Tackle actually.

Yeah, me wanting to put a big, strong guy in the middle to stop the run is such a "madden" idea.... The guy doesn't contribute to a pass rush on the outside, he might as well take on fullback and guards....but yeah, I thought of a video game when I came up with this.

[codizzle]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1316580669' post='800095']

Ok, the argument was speed translates to the field, not if it makes you a good player. And actually coming out of college Ray was considered very fast for an ILB. I know you are not going to say that experience does not matter, because yeah Ray is not very fast anymore but while he was fast he was learning which has allowed him to be here for so long.

The whole thing had nothing to do with just because you are fast means you are good.
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got ya. while i agree with you to a point, the main thing is there are soooo many variables to "speed" and they vary with almost every position.. i post on my phone lol so im not gonna write a sermon just a quick point.

game speed translates to yes how fast a player is but also... wr's cuts/breaks (route running ability), cb's lateral movement and also cuts, DE's explosion, LB's strafing... so to speak.. just a few examples but these factors are some things that are included in "game speed" that cant be found just by a 40 time..

at the end of the day if ur fast ur fast but the point is speed isnt everything