MERGED: Week 2 Complaints about Offense

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1316457903' post='798265']

I'm much, much, much, much, much more impressed with QBs and offenses that can put up TDs and be efficient in the redzone, than I am with QBs and offenses that rack up lots of yards between the 20s but wind up settling for FGs because the QB isn't accurate or quick-witted enough to make the throws when the field gets compressed.
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He's a Rookie remember when Flacco was a rookie screen plays and dump offs not very memorable besides that Cam has almost half the yards of Flacco whole season in two games.

[PuRock]

[quote name='SteelYourThunder' timestamp='1316406661' post='797737']
Things could have gone much better for the Ravens that's for sure. However, I have a feeling they will be a little humbled by this and should be back to form against the Rams.
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I love it when we have Steelers fans giving the voice of optimism. We can't even get our own fans to do this. Thanks for the words.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Kenny516' timestamp='1316445978' post='798089']
No people are only going to bring it up when Flacco has a bad game, no one sees that the D gave up 350 yards passing (for a close game thats waaaayyyy too much) or that they had no answer for anything the Titans did.
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Listen if the offense can't sustain drives the D wears down its football gentlemen. The offense is terrible and Flacco is at the head of that. Its only right that he mans up and takes the blame. He played like crap ........true story.

[True]

Cam Cameron had a good game plan last week. Inside power running boosted the Play Action which scored a lot of points on the Steelers. The Titans planned for it this week and Cam didn't change up the game plan. The receivers were running those long winded routes that take more time to develop than the time Joe has in the pocket. I really liked that screen pass to Ray Rice for a TD and wanted to see more similar plays with the TEs and Anquan Boldin. They should have used more slants, comebacks, drag routes, and screens for those quick tempo plays.

Also did anyone note any audibles by Joe Flacco? I don't recall many adjustments at the line (a couple on the drive where Joe was mostly in shotgun) and looked like it was a rigid game plan.

Now the players still needed to execute and made bad mistakes so the coaches don't get all the blame. The whole team needs to be better prepared heading into next week and avoid let downs.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316467495' post='798486']
He's a Rookie remember when Flacco was a rookie screen plays and dump offs not very memorable besides that Cam has almost half the yards of Flacco whole season in two games.
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And fewer wins...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316467905' post='798497']
Listen if the offense can't sustain drives the D wears down its football gentlemen.  The offense is terrible and Flacco is at the head of that.  Its only right that he mans up and takes the blame.  He played like crap ........true story.
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So, when the Ravens win, its a team victory, but when the Ravens lose, Flacco "should take the blame". I dont know where to go with you.....I'm kind of at a loss here. You are an educated fan (I have seen a few posts where you have shown that), but your hatred for Flacco and diluted measuring sticks for QB's really confuses me!

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1316461389' post='798338']

You can't even respond to me? Bandwagon fans?

I am sorry that you can't understand what I wrote but never did I say Ryan was better than Flacco and never did I say we lost the game because Flacco didn't call the time out.

I said when we were 4th and 7 and the clock ran out and we went to 4th and 12, I knew we had no chance of coming back with Special teams coming on the field.

So yeah, if that makes me a Bandwagon fan (???[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img] ) than wow, I guess I am a bandwagon fan.

Learn how to read and don't attack people who are actually talking football. I'm no the one saying start Tyrod, draft Luck, our season is doomed. I am saying that for a 4th year QB, he should be more alert to the small things and if not him than someone should so they can tell Harbaugh to call the time out.

Wow, one lose and you become the most justified Ravens fan in the country because you stand by them for anything. [b]This is a discussion forum, we discuss things on it.....[/b]
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I was unaware that is how it worked. How Profound.

[Alexir]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1316469860' post='798547']

I was unaware that is how it worked. How Profound.
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Some people don't understand how it works. It's about the good and bad, no sugar coated discussion about the Baltimore Ravens football team....

[Mick0311]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316456723' post='798245']
Last week was Flawless for you. wow see i guess we have different standards of Flawless execution i thought it was a mediocre performance given he had the short field the whole game. But hey what do i know i just watch football.
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Wow man, I think you may be from another planet. You see things so differently than most of the people here on Earth.

[SteelYourThunder]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1316467597' post='798490']

I love it when we have Steelers fans giving the voice of optimism. We can't even get our own fans to do this. Thanks for the words.
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When you like a team it's easier to get down on them because you might have higher expectations. That's my opinion anyways. If you asked me if I thought the Steelers would shut out Seattle after week 1, I would have said "No way in Hades"

[EricV703]

The whole team needs to get the John Henderson pre game ritual, maybe then they'll play as emotional as the Steelers game, every week!

[sliceanddic3]

This kind of stuff happens every week in the NFL. This week, it happened to our team. I still say we're going 12-4 or even 13-3. Lets just bounce back and destroy the Rams boys!!

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1316457903' post='798265']

I'm much, much, much, much, much more impressed with QBs and offenses that can put up TDs and be efficient in the redzone, than I am with QBs and offenses that rack up lots of yards between the 20s but wind up settling for FGs because the QB isn't accurate or quick-witted enough to make the throws when the field gets compressed.
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How much ground you have to cover has nothing to do with how many passes you complete. And honestly the short field should actually mean something in this case because as the field gets smaller so do the holes in the zone.

[berad]

If Alexir is a bandwagoner, he might be one of the original pioneers. Dude's been repping purple at least as long as this forum has been around and, undoubtedly, much longer than that.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Mick0311' timestamp='1316470911' post='798558']

Wow man, I think you may be from another planet. You see things so differently than most of the people here on Earth.
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What was the spectacular play for you the hit over the top to Boldin in one on one coverage. That was the best play of the game. What other play ? Flacco supporters you are starting to make this real easy you have nothing, and i mean nothing, to say about last week because it wasn't all that from a QB standpoint. The O- line played well, The defense lights out. The QB was mediocre no great plays just facilitated. Are u Kidding me?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1316469538' post='798541']
So, when the Ravens win, its a team victory, but when the Ravens lose, Flacco "should take the blame". I dont know where to go with you.....I'm kind of at a loss here. You are an educated fan (I have seen a few posts where you have shown that), but your hatred for Flacco and diluted measuring sticks for QB's really confuses me!
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1/28/01 come on man we been down this road, no that is not true. If you cant sustain drives on offense its either. 1 Quarterback or the two offensive coordinators we have that don't amount to one. I see what happened Hue Jackson was a lot bigger piece to the Harbaugh coaching regime than noted. I don't hate Flacco at all, just hate it when fans can't own up to the fact that he sucked last week, and sometimes the game looks to big for him.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316521775' post='799057']

What was the spectacular play for you the hit over the top to Boldin in one on one coverage. That was the best play of the game. What other play ? Flacco supporters you are starting to make this real easy you have nothing, and i mean nothing, to say about last week because it wasn't all that from a QB standpoint. The O- line played well, The defense lights out. The QB was mediocre no great plays just facilitated. Are u Kidding me?
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So when the defense comes out sucking and the the receivers can't get no seperation, and when the o-line starts crumbling is JOES fault?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1316469403' post='798533']
And fewer wins... [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]
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I should have known. Out of the walls of injustice 1/28/01. What now Flacco wins more games so he is safe riding our great defense......smh. Listen i will continue to bash him until i see improvement in his game.

Anquan looked frustrated with some of those throws the other day, maybe we should ask him. You can tell that they are not allowed to talk about there teammates.

That's when they give the post game presser to Jarrett Johnson (whom is a non factor on D).

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316522577' post='799068']

I should have known. Out of the walls of injustice 1/28/01. What now Flacco wins more games so he is safe riding our great defense......smh. Listen i will continue to bash him until i see improvement in his game.

Anquan looked frustrated with some of those throws the other day, maybe we should ask him. You can tell that they are not allowed to talk about there teammates.

That's when they give the post game presser to Jarrett Johnson (whom is a non factor on D).
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Could he have played better? Yes, and could he had made better decisions? Yes... But we can say that just about the whole team. Reed bit of the wrong receivers a couple times, ngata disappeared, Lewis missed couple tackles but that's all on Joe ?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316522577' post='799068']
I should have known.  Out of the walls of injustice 1/28/01.  What now Flacco wins more games so he is safe riding our great defense......smh.  Listen i will continue to bash him until i see improvement in his game.

Anquan looked frustrated with some of those throws the other day, maybe we should ask him.  You can tell that they are not allowed to talk about there teammates.

That's when they give the post game presser to  Jarrett Johnson (whom is a non factor on D).
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If you can make idiotic and uninformed, biased opinions, so can I. I really don't want the back and forth and will bow out gracefully since you are so set in your ways. I just hope that while Flacco continues to improve his game and continues to help the Ravens succeed year in and year out, you stick to your guns and spout off nonsense about how bad he his. I sure hope you dont actually back him and enjoy some Flacco in the future, as that will not look good on you.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1316525111' post='799092']
If you can make idiotic and uninformed, biased opinions, so can I. I really don't want the back and forth and will bow out gracefully since you are so set in your ways. I just hope that while Flacco continues to improve his game and continues to help the Ravens succeed year in and year out, you stick to your guns and spout off nonsense about how bad he his. I sure hope you dont actually back him and enjoy some Flacco in the future, as that will not look good on you.
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One question then i quit.

Why can't you talk about your Qb when he is playing bad on here? Im confused i have yet to see anything in Flacco to suggest that he is our guy, im sorry. While i have no doubt that he will look great against the Rams next week. Bottom line is[b] you should. [/b]

So again, why can't you talk about your Qb when you don't see greatness in him?

[Florida Ravens Fan]

@ Rbates do you care more about stats, numbers, or wins? It doesn't matter how ugly he plays as long as we win, isn't that what is all about ? We have had a winning record these past three years and been to the playoffs. Out of 32 teams 1 wins the championship just 1! It's hard enough trying to make it too playoffs, obviously he's doing something right.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1316522520' post='799066']
So when the defense comes out sucking and the the receivers can't get no seperation, and when the o-line starts crumbling is JOES fault?
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Defense is always going to suck when the offense can't put dives together. So yeah that would be on the Qb and or Coordinators Cam and Harbaugh. But im going with Joe.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1316522899' post='799073']
Could he have played better? Yes, and could he had made better decisions? Yes... But we can say that just about the whole team. Reed bit of the wrong receivers a couple times, ngata disappeared, Lewis missed couple tackles but that's all on Joe ?
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Sounds like they where tired of being on the field to me. What do you think?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316525978' post='799102']
One question then i quit.

Why can't you talk about your Qb when he is playing bad on here? Im confused i have yet to see anything in Flacco to suggest that he is our guy, im sorry.  While i have no doubt that he will look great against the Rams next week.  Bottom line is[b] you should. [/b]

So again, why can't you talk about your Qb when you don't see greatness in him?
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See, this is where your unfaltering (I guess I should commend such a stout effort on your part) passion for biased posting comes into play.  I have said, time and time again, that Flacco player poorly on Sunday.  I have also said the entire time (save for maybe Rice) played a poor game!  I also know (having watched and played football for almost 25 years like yourself) that a 4th year QB that has shown the continued progression that Flacco has shown is not an everyday occurrence.  I am SO thankful for Flacco, yet some of you want to compare him to Boller, say he "rides" the defense (I am not blind, again, so I can say that we have a strong D and that has certainty helped his progression, but is not the only reason) and that other QBs in the league are outperforming him due to yards or whatever else you want to throw out there.  You really need to read and comprehend what is said before posting.  Had you done this, this entire last post of mine wouldn't have needed to happen.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316526832' post='799119']
Sounds like they where tired of being on the field to me. What do you think?[/quote]

The D started out flat. They couldn't get no push since start of game. Give props to Titans line.
Ok look Flacco sucked this Sunday he looked like doo doo, is that what you want to hear? But so DID the rest of team! There all to blame.

[Ravens>Steelers]

Granted it wasn't that great of a pass and it was good coverage, but were both Dickson and Evans running out patterns almost 5-7 yards away from each other on that one play? I can't tell if it was meant for Dicson or Evans. Hate that play call.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316521775' post='799057']
What was the spectacular play for you the hit over the top to Boldin in one on one coverage. That was the best play of the game. What other play ? Flacco supporters you are starting to make this real easy you have nothing, and i mean nothing, to say about last week because it wasn't all that from a QB standpoint. The O- line played well, The defense lights out. The QB was mediocre no great plays just facilitated. Are u Kidding me?
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I'm not saying he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He has his bad games. I have just as much to say this week as you had to say after week one, which is nothing. So shut it. I'm going to give him time to grow, and if you don't see improvement from him over the course of his three year career, than you are at odds with a whole coaching staff in the NFL and at odds with reality. You cannot judge him from game-to-game, that is not fair, and rather silly. Improvement in this game is like tracking improvement in the stock market, it takes time and you will see down ticks, but the trend is upward and to deny that is a willing suspension of reality. Let's not forget that this guy wasn't supposed to be a first year impact player, he needed time to develop, and develop he has. Don't play the game-to-game comparison, and don't attribute that type of childish analysis to me either. It's the big picture...not week two's performance.

[Alexir]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1316475667' post='798632']
If Alexir is a bandwagoner, he might be one of the original pioneers. Dude's been repping purple at least as long as this forum has been around and, undoubtedly, much longer than that.
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Thank you sir. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/baltimore-ravens.gif[/img]

[Alexir]

Joe's pocket presence was amazing sunday. His makeshift line fell apart a lot and he kept his eyes down field while buying some time as he rolled out of the pocket. The only problem I saw was that their was no one open! Maybe I was too harsh on him for lacking the QB intelligence to have an eye on the play clock but he did look really good Sunday. When their was no play he would throw it away instead of taking a sack.

Lee Evans' injury is forcing Torrey into a starting role and Torrey is much faster and hands or no hands (just like Braylon or T.O.) you have to cover the guy and while most corners aren't that fast thats going to cause a safety to play deep on his side of the field which will open up the draws, slants,etc. It will basically open up the offense in a nut shell.