MERGED: Week 2 Complaints about Offense

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1316389829' post='797194']
You need a 400 yard game before it can be considered a good game? Would you say Henne last week was better than Flacco was last week, even though most of Henne's yards came in garbage time? Would you say Hasselbeck was bad this week? After all, he didn't break 400.

You're never going to see Flacco break 400, because we are a run-first offense. He's never asked to pass that much. We are not the Patriots.

I assume you were one of those who were quiet next week, and if Flacco has a great game next week, I'm sure you'll hide again. I'm far from a Flacco apologist, but as I said before I don't do lies.
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That was just a benchmark on his career so far. He has never thrown for 400. Three seasons wow. He has never taken over a game and willed his team to victory, unless you want to count the buffalo game, that they gave to us. Lies are a little harsh unless of course you can show me where he has had a [b]great[/b] game. Great game not a good game. Dont change that, if you do then it would be a lie, he has quite a few good games just not a great one.

[ratedr]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316390270' post='797210']
That was just a benchmark on his career so far. He has never thrown for 400. Three seasons wow. He has never taken over a game and willed his team to victory, unless you want to count the buffalo game, that they gave to us. Lies are a little harsh unless of course you can show me where he has had a [b]great[/b] game. Great game not a good game. Dont change that, if you do then it would be a lie, he has quite a few good games just not a great one.
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You don't need 400 yards to have a great game. I'm not going to even argue that, because it's a stupid point. Throwing for a lot of yards doesn't make you have a great game. I'd rather have him throw for usual ~250 yds and 2 TDs than 300+ yds and no TDs.

So now you're going to discount games like Buffalo because it's doesn't fit your ridiculous criteria? He played great in that game, just as he played great last week. But go on and say he's never had a great game because he's never thrown for 400 yds. Like I said I'm not arguing that because there's nothing to argue. It's not even a point.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1316390750' post='797233']
You don't need 400 yards to have a great game. I'm not going to even argue that, because it's a stupid point. Throwing for a lot of yards doesn't make you have a great game. I'd rather have him throw for usual ~250 yds and 2 TDs than 300+ yds and no TDs.

So now you're going to discount games like Buffalo because it's doesn't fit your ridiculous criteria? He played great in that game, just as he played great last week. But go on and say he's never had a great game because he's never thrown for 400 yds. Like I said I'm not arguing that because there's nothing to argue. It's not even a point.
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Never said 400 yards is a great game like i said that is just a benchmark. It would be nice to see him put that together once in his 3 year career though. Great games are measured differently, depending on who you ask the criteria changes. I just never watched a game where i have said that Joe played spectacular, and apparently either have you.

[BleedingRaven]

The RAVENS Offense was flat. The Offensive Line never got it going, most of the offense played with no intensity. This is what happens after a WEEK 1 Emotional High. Cameron never dialed up the right plays to JUMP START this Offense. The RAVENS Defensive issues are at Cornerback, most of the day "they" were running to the TITAN receivers. FLACCO has to make better decisions with ball placement. We squander a great opportunity in the AFC North!

[SteelYourThunder]

Things could have gone much better for the Ravens that's for sure. However, I have a feeling they will be a little humbled by this and should be back to form against the Rams.

[CalvinSmoke]

I agree with most of everything you said except i don't pin this loss on Cam Cameron. I think he tried the best he could, but we just didn't execute this week. We executed masterfully last week, but not this week. Defense just sat on top of our receivers and had no reason to watch us deep, cover 2 killed us.

[neoi78]

I can't put the blame on cam or flacco. Our WR's were NOT OPEN. I watched the game again, and on most plays the WR's were covered, or covered enough where I wouldnt throw the ball. When Flacco did throw the ball those 2 times he got intercepted. The first interception was a tip drill anyways = not directly Flacco's fault. Flacco made some great throws today. Watch Vick and Ryan tonight, they made some grea throws, and alot of bonehead throws too. So what do we make of that? If we had won the game, we'd all be quick to say Flacco made great decisions. A drive or two was the difference.

Calm down. It was one loss. Its a long season. I think the ship gets righted. Normally im depressed for a week after a loss, but for some reason, this loss was so dumb that it doesnt matter. Next up, St Loius. Can we beat them?

[Radinho84]

i think what some guys in here are complaining about is more of the offensive coordinator than the qb. look at the numbers of rivers when cam was off the ship. don't get me wrong. i think it was the right move not to get rid of cam with that short offseason. next year is another story. but one can hardly blame someone for things that are a little out of one's reach.
flacco could easily throw for 400 yards if he has to. but he doesn't have to because we are a run first team. i am fine with him throwing for around 25o and 3 td like last week. or do you guys what him to go out like cam newton? (400 yards and three picks?) i sure don't!!!!

[ratedr]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316392958' post='797330']
Never said 400 yards is a great game like i said that is just a benchmark. It would be nice to see him put that together once in his 3 year career though. Great games are measured differently, depending on who you ask the criteria changes. I just never watched a game where i have said that Joe played spectacular, and apparently either have you.
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I think Joe was basically flawless last week, so I don't tell me I've never seen him have a spectacular game. Like I said, the numbers of yards is a stupid benchmark because as an offense, our system does not call for the QB to throw that much.

[EricV703]

Well after watching Matt Ryan last night against the Eagles, i think there is no reason to even compare Flacco & Ryan. Ryan is just simply, a smarter player.

He was calling audibles & running the no huddle offense effectively, getting out the pocket and making plays, things you rarely EVER see flacco do.

[BmoreRavens67]

No holes to run in, and no time to pass.. when there was a little time there was not much seperation from our receivers! Also when we needed a stop defense, the secondary couldn't get it done. Only our run defense was was still strong most of the game. So what have we learned.. that the Ravens aren't as good as they looked against the Steelers, and probably not as bad as they looked against the Titans. However just like last year in week two when we lost to a bad Bengals team, this loss to a team that will probably be under .500 will hurt come play-off time... On the raod again..!

[Alexir]

[quote name='EricV703' timestamp='1316432968' post='797875']
Well after watching Matt Ryan last night against the Eagles, i think there is no reason to even compare Flacco & Ryan. Ryan is just simply, a smarter player.

He was calling audibles & running the no huddle offense effectively, getting out the pocket and making plays, things you rarely EVER see flacco do.
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Flacco looked smarter against the Steelers but he did a giant leap back. His receivers didn't help him but his QB intelligence is non existent. Call a Time out when your play clock is running down! That was the nail in the coffin. I really think we would of went for it on 4th down instead of kicking that pointless Field Goal in a 13 point game with 7 minutes left....

[EricV703]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1316433894' post='797886']

Flacco looked smarter against the Steelers but he did a giant leap back. His receivers didn't help him but his QB intelligence is non existent. Call a Time out when your play clock is running down! That was the nail in the coffin. I really think we would of went for it on 4th down instead of kicking that pointless Field Goal in a 13 point game with 7 minutes left....
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LOL and this is the year that Flacco is supposedly going to take over the offense. He still has trouble against this certain type of zone defense. I'm surprised more teams haven't taken advantage of that.

[POE]

[quote name='EricV703' timestamp='1316435251' post='797903']
LOL and this is the year that Flacco is supposedly going to take over the offense. He still has trouble against this certain type of zone defense. I'm surprised more teams haven't taken advantage of that.
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I think the WR's are the problem in that type of defense. Against that zone the WR has to find the hole and get there as fast as he can in order for the QB to get the ball out to him. If the protection doesn't hold and the WR doesn't get to the open field in time then the QB is stuck back there holding the ball getting blamed for every mistake. Joe was far from perfect today but he wasn't helped much either. Dropped and tipped passes by the WR's, protection was off and on all game, and there was a few calls that we should have gotten that would have helped to move the chains. Add that to some bad reads, not being able to get the run game going, and a few bad throws by Joe and the offense just couldn't put anything solid together. On a positive note I thought that Flacco's pocket presence was very good during last weeks game and it rolled over into this game as well. A lot of people here seem to feel that Joe gets jittery or whatever you want to call it but I feel that is something he has improved on and it showed when he was dodging pass rushers all game and keeping his eyes down field trying to make plays. This week wasn't pretty but it's still a long way to go and I feel this team is still a big time contender in this league.

[Whitty Hutton]

Flacco and Cam need to go into practice mode on MADDEN and find out how to play against a cover 2, since it's obvious the Ravens dont have him practice against one

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='EricV703' timestamp='1316432968' post='797875']
Well after watching Matt Ryan last night against the Eagles, i think there is no reason to even compare Flacco & Ryan. Ryan is just simply, a smarter player.

He was calling audibles & running the no huddle offense effectively, getting out the pocket and making plays, things you rarely EVER see flacco do.
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And the week before, Flacco looked great and Matt Ryan didn't do anything. Are we going to be doing this week by week now?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='POE' timestamp='1316438340' post='797931']
I think the WR's are the problem in that type of defense. Against that zone the WR has to find the hole and get there as fast as he can in order for the QB to get the ball out to him. If the protection doesn't hold and the WR doesn't get to the open field in time then the QB is stuck back there holding the ball getting blamed for every mistake. Joe was far from perfect today but he wasn't helped much either. Dropped and tipped passes by the WR's, protection was off and on all game, and there was a few calls that we should have gotten that would have helped to move the chains. Add that to some bad reads, not being able to get the run game going, and a few bad throws by Joe and the offense just couldn't put anything solid together. On a positive note I thought that Flacco's pocket presence was very good during last weeks game and it rolled over into this game as well. A lot of people here seem to feel that Joe gets jittery or whatever you want to call it but I feel that is something he has improved on and it showed when he was dodging pass rushers all game and keeping his eyes down field trying to make plays. This week wasn't pretty but it's still a long way to go and I feel this team is still a big time contender in this league.
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Good post. It's hard for Joe to look "elite" when there's nothing else working around him. The only thing I'm concerned about is his inability to consistently succeed against cover 2 defenses.

[berad]

The "no personal insults" rule applies to Raven players, too. Keep it under control.

[scrock]

It makes more sense now

Lee Evans foot was really an issue, so we had no speed to stretch the defense...and the two TEs werent used enough IMO

So what do we have? We are back to last year...receivers not being able to gain separation..and with no run game to speak of things are going to fall apart...they start to go off and pass protection breaks down, you rush any QB and you will cause turnovers....see our game last week for proof of that....

and believe it or not but after the Steelers game last week on their forums guys were calling for Ben to be released or traded...even though he's won them Superbowls...so of course Joe is going to take heat..but its not his fault, not all of it anyway

cant wait for next week

[scrock]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1316433894' post='797886']

Flacco looked smarter against the Steelers but he did a giant leap back. His receivers didn't help him but his QB intelligence is non existent. Call a Time out when your play clock is running down! [b]That was the nail in the coffin.[/b] I really think we would of went for it on 4th down instead of kicking that pointless Field Goal in a 13 point game with 7 minutes left....
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what are you watching? a failed time out was the nail in the coffin ? really...

i cant even respond to you

and whoever thinks Matt Ryan is better than Joe...only because he won, he threw picks, he took sacks and at times he wasnt effective but guess what he HAD a run game...he had his WRs making plays for him and his TE came up big...Joe had none of that..none

so stop overreacting...and next week you better not be jumping back on the bandwagon...

BANDWAGON FANS!!!!!

[Kenny516]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1316444142' post='798038']

And the week before, Flacco looked great and Matt Ryan didn't do anything. Are we going to be doing this week by week now?
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No people are only going to bring it up when Flacco has a bad game, no one sees that the D gave up 350 yards passing (for a close game thats waaaayyyy too much) or that they had no answer for anything the Titans did.

[berad]

[quote name='Kenny516' timestamp='1316445978' post='798089']
No people are only going to bring it up when Flacco has a bad game, no one sees that the D gave up 350 yards passing (for a close game thats waaaayyyy too much) or that they had no answer for anything the Titans did.
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That's the thing. Flacco didn't play well by any stretch of the imagination but it's not like the other facets of the team did, either. Hasselbeck was the buzzsaw this week.

[The Black Bird]

We can't give Flacco all the blame. The receivers absolutely didn't help Flacco out at all. The offensive line wasn't as good as they were in week one, but Flacco had time to throw in the pocket. Lee Evans is not 100% and he said it..he couldn't get open because of it. I was listening to 105.7 today and there were talking about the one play when Flacco tried to throw in double coverage to Boldin for the TD and Torrey Smith was wide open on the other side and Flacco didn't even look at him. They said that shows that Flacco has no trust in Smith what so ever. I don't blame him because Torrey hasn't shown anything so far. They also said if Doss was playin WR he would have had a couple of catches by now, but he hasn't shown enough on specials team to get on the field. What have Smith done on special teams? All and all our receivers need to do better and help Flacco out.

[Militant X 1]

the Ravens were "Out-focused" yesterday. here is what i mean:

the Ravens "focus" was to stop CJ. but Hasslebeck and Britt lit up our secondary! and...the Titans focus was to stop Rice and make Flacco beat them through the air...which didn't happen. we were "out-focused" LOL!

~Mili

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1316411660' post='797804']
I think Joe was basically flawless last week, so I don't tell me I've never seen him have a spectacular game. Like I said, the numbers of yards is a stupid benchmark because as an offense, our system does not call for the QB to throw that much.
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Last week was Flawless for you. wow see i guess we have different standards of Flawless execution i thought it was a mediocre performance given he had the short field the whole game. But hey what do i know i just watch football.

[Raving_Heathen]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1316456723' post='798245']
Last week was Flawless for you. wow see i guess we have different standards of Flawless execution i thought it was a mediocre performance given he had the short field the whole game. But hey what do i know i just watch football.
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I'm much, much, much, much, much more impressed with QBs and offenses that can put up TDs and be efficient in the redzone, than I am with QBs and offenses that rack up lots of yards between the 20s but wind up settling for FGs because the QB isn't accurate or quick-witted enough to make the throws when the field gets compressed.

[Alexir]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1316445878' post='798086']

what are you watching? a failed time out was the nail in the coffin ? really...

i cant even respond to you

and whoever thinks Matt Ryan is better than Joe...only because he won, he threw picks, he took sacks and at times he wasnt effective but guess what he HAD a run game...he had his WRs making plays for him and his TE came up big...Joe had none of that..none

so stop overreacting...and next week you better not be jumping back on the bandwagon...

BANDWAGON FANS!!!!!
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You can't even respond to me? Bandwagon fans?

I am sorry that you can't understand what I wrote but never did I say Ryan was better than Flacco and never did I say we lost the game because Flacco didn't call the time out.

I said when we were 4th and 7 and the clock ran out and we went to 4th and 12, I knew we had no chance of coming back with Special teams coming on the field.

So yeah, if that makes me a Bandwagon fan (???[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img] ) than wow, I guess I am a bandwagon fan.

Learn how to read and don't attack people who are actually talking football. I'm no the one saying start Tyrod, draft Luck, our season is doomed. I am saying that for a 4th year QB, he should be more alert to the small things and if not him than someone should so they can tell Harbaugh to call the time out.

Wow, one lose and you become the most justified Ravens fan in the country because you stand by them for anything. This is a discussion forum, we discuss things on it.....

[bpytnjr58]

It was a total team effort,the defense line could not get to Hasslebeck,the corners could not cover and the offense could never get started. At least it was not a divisonal loss.

[Gordo52]

Just remember it could be worse. We could be cheering for the colts or chiefs right now knowing theres a chance we could go 0-16

[baltravens]

Yes, the offense was flat; however, the biggest difference between last week and this week was we [u]did[/u] [u]not[/u] execute. [u]Execute next week boys![/u]