Boxing: Mayweather Vs Ortiz

[Militant X 1]

i got the "Pretty Boy" and "Money" Mayweather.

~Mili

[blitzking33]

That was a dirty win by Mayweather SMH

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1316320920' post='794009']
That was a dirty win by Mayweather SMH
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what about the head butt by Ortiz? that was pitiful! Floyd...after hearing the ref say; [b]"let's go!" [/b]lightly touched gloves....while Ortiz was tryin to hug and then as they stepped away...Floyd popped him because his hands were down! and...then hit him again while he (Ortiz) was looking at the ref. perfectly legal! the first rule of boxing:

[b]"PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES!"[/b]

Ortiz showed his youth and inexperience on the big stage vs someone of Floyd's caliber.

~Mili

[BloodRaven]

Ortiz deserved to get clowned.

I watched it on a stream, theres only one Mayweather fight that I will pay money for.

[JamesRules]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1316322601' post='794020']
Ortiz deserved to get clowned.

I watched it on a stream, theres only one Mayweather fight that I will pay money for.
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It's never gonna happen. I've never watched a fight before and even I know it won't.

[theFRANCHISE]

Floyd Mayweather is the best heel (bad guy) in boxing.

I've been arguing about this fight up and down all night, but the dirty punch and the dirty headbutt don't matter. The bottom line is, boxing promoters [i]want[/i] an outcome like this because it sets the stage for a rematch that'll draw [i]huge[/i] money due to this controversy.

Fact is, Mayweather's not stupid. He knew what he was doing, from the sucker punch to his disrespect of Larry Merchant. Mayweather's been more of an entertainer than a pure boxer for a few years now. Mayweather knows how to play the heel, and does it because heels draw more money. People will pay more to see a heel get their comeuppance, than to see two squeaky-clean guys duke it out.

Everyone's outrage is exactly the reaction that Mayweather wants. You can't get too wrapped up in this fight because the sport of boxing has needed something like this for a long time. Compared to the money that MMA and even a pseudo-sport like WWE is drawing in the U.S., boxing needs a shot in the arm to bring interest back to the sport. While boxing doesn't need to craft storylines, the sport [i]does[/i] need to get audiences a reason to get emotionally-invested.

Mayweather is making you emotionally-invested, especially if you despise him.

[Gordo52]

What would you all of done if you were Floyd and saw that golden opportunity to ko him and win even more money. The same thing, so you can't say anything

[BmoreRav]

I think there's more chance of him fighting Amir Khan than Manny Pacquaio at this point. According to Mayweather himself he's always wanted a fight in the UK and there's rumours that he could face Khan at Wembley Stadium next summer! I'll believe it when I see it but I definitely think it's a possibility.

[MKdave]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1316322989' post='794024']
Floyd Mayweather is the best heel (bad guy) in boxing.

I've been arguing about this fight up and down all night, but the dirty punch and the dirty headbutt don't matter. The bottom line is, boxing promoters [i]want[/i] an outcome like this because it sets the stage for a rematch that'll draw [i]huge[/i] money due to this controversy.

Fact is, Mayweather's not stupid. He knew what he was doing, from the sucker punch to his disrespect of Larry Merchant. Mayweather's been more of an entertainer than a pure boxer for a few years now. Mayweather knows how to play the heel, and does it because heels draw more money. People will pay more to see a heel get their comeuppance, than to see two squeaky-clean guys duke it out.

Everyone's outrage is exactly the reaction that Mayweather wants. You can't get too wrapped up in this fight because the sport of boxing has needed something like this for a long time. Compared to the money that MMA and even a pseudo-sport like WWE is drawing in the U.S., boxing needs a shot in the arm to bring interest back to the sport. While boxing doesn't need to craft storylines, the sport [i]does[/i] need to get audiences a reason to get emotionally-invested.

Mayweather is making you emotionally-invested, especially if you despise him.
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I think you're reading a little too much into it Franny, if you're suggesting that he threw that punch to increase his marketability and money making potential. He did it because he was scared. Ortiz looked a match for Mayweather to that point, or atleast more of a match than anyone Floyd's fought in recent memory. He saw an opening, possibly realised that what he was doing was a little cheap or possibly didn't (like Ortiz with the headbutt. Clearly he thought it was unsporting with a clear head but in the heat of the moment it happens), but I certainly don't think he processed the notion than winning in such unconvincing fashion would mean more money for the rematch.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1316338854' post='794057']
I think you're reading a little too much into it Franny, if you're suggesting that he threw that punch to increase his marketability and money making potential. He did it because he was scared. Ortiz looked a match for Mayweather to that point, or atleast more of a match than anyone Floyd's fought in recent memory. He saw an opening, possibly realised that what he was doing was a little cheap or possibly didn't (like Ortiz with the headbutt. Clearly he thought it was unsporting with a clear head but in the heat of the moment it happens), but I certainly don't think he processed the notion than winning in such unconvincing fashion would mean more money for the rematch.
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Scared of Ortiz? this is the guy who is known for quitting a fight and questioning his future while being interviewed because his face was being messed up. This isn't like the Mosley fight where Mayweather got rocked then rallied to win, watch the slowmotion replays, when Ortiz was throwing bombs Mayweather was smirking.

In any case I believe Mayweather doesn't just play the bad guy, he is the bad guy. You look at the way was raised and you see where his ruthlessness comes from and why he blows his own trumpet, nobody else does and it makes for a great story.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

If Floyd wants to draw huge money, he knows who he can fight.

[FerrariFan87]

Mayweather was going to win anyway, and boxing is fixed, so what does it even matter? It was definitely a cheap shot, but Ortiz shouldn't have let his guard down.

[Purple Punishment]

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If Floyd wants to draw huge money, he knows who he can fight.
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and lose to

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

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and lose to
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That too. lol

[BloodRaven]

Funny how Pacman says he "doesn't like needles" when he has tattoos, or how his face has warped like Barry Bonds over the last 6 years.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1316494792' post='798961']
Funny how Pacman says he "doesn't like needles" when he has tattoos, or how his face has warped like Barry Bonds over the last 6 years.
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Pacquiao hater I presume? I want a failed drug test first or some hard evidence, so until then, it's all a bunch of speculation on Mayweather's part, and a lame excuse to hide from the fight. He's a great fighter so he really shouldn't be this scared.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1316532651' post='799222']

Pacquiao hater I presume? I want a failed drug test first or some hard evidence, so until then, it's all a bunch of speculation on Mayweather's part, and a lame excuse to hide from the fight. He's a great fighter so he really shouldn't be this scared.
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I definitely smell a rat when I read about Manny, everyone seems to forget how he completely dodged the first talks when May wanted Olympic-style testing. If it wasn't faking a fear of needles, it was that Olympic testing close to a fight would sap too much strength.

[FerrariFan87]

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I definitely smell a rat when I read about Manny, everyone seems to forget how he completely dodged the first talks when May wanted Olympic-style testing. If it wasn't faking a fear of needles, it was that Olympic testing close to a fight would sap too much strength.
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I get where you're coming from, but it still doesn't prove he's juicing, although he should just go ahead, do the test and put this issue to bed.

[Militant X 1]

Floyd is one of the greatest boxing technicians in the business! this cat was not "afraid" or "scared" of this young pup Ortiz. that kid was too green to fight someone on Floyd's level and everyone seems to forget that he headbutted Floyd out of his frustration ala-Mike Tyson biting Holyfield's ears. Ortiz deserved to get popped and dropped in that manner! i have watched the replay of this ending over and over and over again and the bottomline is this....

Floyd knew that Ortiz's head (due to his youth and inexperience at that level) was no longer in the fight and that he got relaxed. when Ortiz went to hug Floyd again (which he had already done a few times already), Floyd kept his hands up and touched Ortiz's shoulders. he then looked at Ortiz and shook his head as to say; "yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good!" and as soon as they stepped away...Floyd used his speed to pop him with a left and then drop him with a right! perfectly legal! classy? maybe not too many people. but legal? absolutely!

PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES!!

~Mili

[Otterpelt]

if it was a headbutt, it was the weakest attempt at one I have seen. From my perspective, it looked like floyd was cornered and did what any good boxer would do, try to create distance. After getting pushed back, ortiz jumped forward, as the moment got hectic for him. His head barely made contact with floyd, and when it did, he looked like he felt bad for it, because it was a dirty blow. Ortiz is just too inexperienced to know that it is a boxing match, not a feel sorry and try to hug it out fest. Once is enough.

[Toyman]

Reading an interview from Keith Kizer, it seems pacquiao was actually fine with doing random testing provided it was done by the commission.