More Shots At Flacco (Still?!?)

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1316391886' post='797290']
The only QBs who can will their team to victory at all times are Brady, Rodgers, Manning, and Brees. Everyone else has to rely on a balanced offensive attack. We didn't have that, so we lost. Everyone wants an elite QB, but that's why they're elite - there aren't many of them.
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True. But that is why you are going to hear the criticism, because he isn't elite. And some don't think he will be. He has 4 years of starts. People are expecting more, a huge leap forward at this point. Does Joe have it in him to be more, to be great? I think so. But he has to be daring to do so. Against the Steelers I saw him act like an Alpha Dog. He threw passes into tight windows successfully, he didn't hold the ball. He didn't look the same today. Of course, when you do that, you throw picks sometimes but when you hit it on the money you make plays that are incredible. You make defenses respect you and fear big plays which open up things underneath.

[Raving_Heathen]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1316394946' post='797415']
People are expecting more, a huge leap forward at this point.
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I think with Flacco, it's all about baby-steps. Every year he's improved on one or two areas where he was struggling the previous year. This season I think he's already shown great improvement in pocket awareness and trying to extend plays when protection breaks down (even in this miserable game today). I think you're right though that a lot of fans expect much more. Me? I want Flacco as the Ravens QB as long as he improves every year at the rate he's going. Yeah, it's his 4th season, but he's only 26. He's got a looooooooong career ahead of him.

[The Raven]

Wow... Rivers had as many incompletions as Flacco had completions... That's bad.

I'm not blaming this on Joe or Cam. Cam called a good game. It really wasn't that conservative. Y'all wanted a spread offense right? You saw it today! and as a consequence, Flacco was under CONSTANT pressure. The offense's issues go to the offensive line, and the WR core. Flacco's still great in my book man.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I love this team to death but I think the time is right to start looking at Joe. After watching how Rivers was aggressive when they were down (just his demeanor period) you could tell he wanted to win period. We took our time and dragged[i] <butt> [/i]getting to the line down by two TDs. And who goes for the field goal when we need two TDs with not enough time for two drives???? We knew we couldn't stop their offense today for anything. I just look at these other young QBs Josh Freeman, etc. and I'm starting to believe the hype of them being ranked over Flacco. I'm certainly frustrated but I want to see Joe turn the corner.....year four buddy.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1316399147' post='797527']
I love this team to death but I think the time is right to start looking at Joe. After watching how Rivers was aggressive when they were down (just his demeanor period) you could tell he wanted to win period. We took our time and dragged[i] <butt> [/i]getting to the line down by two TDs. And who goes for the field goal when we need two TDs with not enough time for two drives???? We knew we couldn't stop their offense today for anything. I just look at these other young QBs Josh Freeman, etc. and I'm starting to believe the hype of them being ranked over Flacco. I'm certainly frustrated but I want to see Joe turn the corner.....year four buddy.
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I agree with everything except the other young QB's being better. Our offense was slow, stagnant, and unenthusiastic.

[lowrider]

Its hilarious how all of the Flacco haters didn't say ANYTHING last week but today they jump on the message board a few hours after todays game. And you wonder why you think Flacco is terrible, because you can never admit when he does anything right. Flacco had a terrible game. But anyone who tries to criticize Flacco this week and didn't say anything last week should just stay off the message board.

Fact is, every one of the ravens played terrible. Not just Flacco. We got overplayed, overpowered, and overcoached. So are we going to declare that our ENTIRE team is inferior and will never be great? That is nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Just how it is nonsense that Flacco was started to be in MVP discussions last week. It's ONE week.

[WestCoastRaven]

With all the positive changes we made and the fact that Flacco is supposedly given more control of the offense, I thought this would be his break out year. I still believe he has a chance and I"m pulling for him to be one of the "elite".
We had a bad game..that's all

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1316399988' post='797556']
Its hilarious how all of the Flacco haters didn't say ANYTHING last week but today they jump on the message board a few hours after todays game. And you wonder why you think Flacco is terrible, because you can never admit when he does anything right. Flacco had a terrible game. But anyone who tries to criticize Flacco this week and didn't say anything last week should just stay off the message board.

Fact is, every one of the ravens played terrible. Not just Flacco. We got overplayed, overpowered, and overcoached. So are we going to declare that our ENTIRE team is inferior and will never be great? That is nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Just how it is nonsense that Flacco was started to be in MVP discussions last week. It's ONE week.
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Joe is the leader he takes responsibility. We have the right to question him. Don't you dare look down your wayward nose at us because we exercise that right. YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN US.A

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1316399988' post='797556']
Its hilarious how all of the Flacco haters didn't say ANYTHING last week but today they jump on the message board a few hours after todays game. And you wonder why you think Flacco is terrible, because you can never admit when he does anything right. Flacco had a terrible game. But anyone who tries to criticize Flacco this week and didn't say anything last week should just stay off the message board.

Fact is, every one of the ravens played terrible. Not just Flacco. We got overplayed, overpowered, and overcoached. So are we going to declare that our ENTIRE team is inferior and will never be great? That is nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Just how it is nonsense that Flacco was started to be in MVP discussions last week. It's ONE week.
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We have the right to voice our opinions whether you like them or not. So you can get outta here with that stuff. And anyone that watched SNF can't tell me Flacco would have done what Ryan did. IN FACT, Joe had the opportunities to do that and couldn't. All my post said was it seems the other young QBs are far more hungrier and aggressive. I still know we're a playoff contender that will go deep into the postseason but these glaring deficiencies can't be ignored or covered up as much as you and other would love to do. Much to your chagrin, we have alot of work to do if Joe is going to truly silence his critics.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1316404469' post='797682']

Joe is the leader he takes responsibility. We have the right to question him. Don't you dare look down your wayward nose at us because we exercise that right. YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN US.A
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That is true. You have every right in the world to remain silent and not give Flacco any credit when Flacco excels and suddenly appear and question him when he doesn't.

[darklight1216]

Jeremy Maclin, not only did (possibly) you cost me a win in pick-em, but I am now going to have hear all about how Ryan can win big games and Joe Flacco can't (well, you know except playoff games).

Thanks alot!

In all seriousness, this is going to be a rough week coverage-wise. It's a good thing Jamie Dukes made me tired of NFLN.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1316404652' post='797686']

We have the right to voice our opinions whether you like them or not. So you can get outta here with that stuff. And anyone that watched SNF can't tell me Flacco would have done what Ryan did. IN FACT, Joe had the opportunities to do that and couldn't. All my post said was it seems the other young QBs are far more hungrier and aggressive. I still know we're a playoff contender that will go deep into the postseason but these glaring deficiencies can't be ignored or covered up as much as you and other would love to do. Much to your chagrin, we have alot of work to do if Joe is going to truly silence his critics.
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Just because you have the right (to the extent that it follows board rules) to voice your "opinion" doesn't make your opinion valid or accurate. Especially when its not.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1316404652' post='797686']And anyone that watched SNF can't tell me Flacco would have done what Ryan did.
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Flacco can hand the ball off to Turner for the win just as well as Ryan can.

[Blex64]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1316394644' post='797403']
Oh ok
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Not only is this irrelevant, but its a really bad road to go down.

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1316398972' post='797521']
Wow... Rivers had as many incompletions as Flacco had completions... That's bad.

I'm not blaming this on Joe or Cam. Cam called a good game. It really wasn't that conservative. Y'all wanted a spread offense right? You saw it today! and as a consequence, Flacco was under CONSTANT pressure. The offense's issues go to the offensive line, and the WR core. Flacco's still great in my book man.
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What? It was not well called, and it wasn't a spread offense. Flacco's pressure was due in large part to the atrocious play of LeVoir which had either McKinney or Birk trying to block 2 guys the entire game since he got beat on (literally) almost every single play.

[ratedr]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1316404652' post='797686']

We have the right to voice our opinions whether you like them or not. So you can get outta here with that stuff. And anyone that watched SNF can't tell me Flacco would have done what Ryan did. IN FACT, Joe had the opportunities to do that and couldn't. All my post said was it seems the other young QBs are far more hungrier and aggressive. I still know we're a playoff contender that will go deep into the postseason but these glaring deficiencies can't be ignored or covered up as much as you and other would love to do. Much to your chagrin, we have alot of work to do if Joe is going to truly silence his critics.
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lol did you actually watch the game? The Falcons weren't doing anything on offense until Turner got going in the 4th.

[Tiz]

Not sure how people blame calls or joe when we couldnt run nor get open on pass routes.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Ironically, Flacco took a beating in ATL last season, but still threw 3 second half and 2 fourth quarter TD passes. He also played about half (maybe more) of 09 with a hip injury.

[SteelYourThunder]

If I had to choose between Flacco and Ryan as my QB I would pick Flacco everytime. Why? One word. Postseason. (Still rather have Ben)

[theFRANCHISE]

Just a quick reminder that we're all Ravens fans here (minus the random, somewhat-respectful Steelers fans).

No need to question each other's fanhood over dissenting opinions of the QB.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SteelYourThunder' timestamp='1316406864' post='797743']
If I had to choose between Flacco and Ryan as my QB I would pick Flacco everytime. Why? One word. Postseason. (Still rather have Ben)
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Nice bounce back game today, just as I expected from our nemesis. Week 9 cant get here soon enough

[ratedr]

Well, Flacco was right about one thing: opinions change like the weather. Last week Flacco was teetering on elite and Ryan was trash. Now Ryan is teetering on elite and Flacco is trash. That's why these debates are stupid and pointless.

[SteelYourThunder]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1316407535' post='797753']


Nice bounce back game today, just as I expected from our nemesis. Week 9 cant get here soon enough
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Should be good. Hope the Steelers show up this time.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SteelYourThunder' timestamp='1316408241' post='797762']
Should be good. Hope the Steelers show up this time.
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I think we all know a repeat of week one isn't happening in your house. Let's just make a pact and promise that no matter who wins we keep Ohio in the basement where they belong.[i] <deleted>[/i] Hope they enjoy first place while it lasts

[reediddy]

I'm not a Flacco-flakker in the slightest but he did make some poor decisions, especially on that 2nd INT that landed in the hands of McCourty. I understand the receivers weren't open most of the day and some chances needed to be taken, but forcing a pass into coverage like that isn't the smart play in my opinion. He had some good moments but most of the credit should be given to TEN for coming out with a great gameplan and shutting down our passing game. Their front 4 was destroying our front 5 on both pass and run plays. Flacco had a rough day but it wasn't completely his fault

[ratedr]

I will say this, though...Ryan looked in total control of the offense. That offense runs on Michael Turner, but it was Ryan who was calling the shots. Flacco just stands back half the time with that glazed over look in his eyes.

[Radinho84]

i have to throw my mind in there. we all know that joe isn't brady or manning. he maybe never will. he also didn't win those playoff games for us. those where team wins. like most of the ravens wins. we always win when we play as a very good TEAM. just watch last weeks game. we excelled as a team. we where better in all three phases of the game. this week:not so much. but that does' mean that flacco is bad.

get over it. he will be here for a very long time and i am very glad to have him. he did good things for us the whole time since he is here. he does' deserve those treatments he is getting at all!!!

would you prefer to have a guy like newton throwing for 400 hundred yards every game but still have the same record with already 4 picks? i sure don't.

i see it like last year. good first game, very emotional, cost us a lot psychological. we should be good again next week. we never play that bad two weeks in a row. unfortunately it looks like we never play as good as last week for two weeks in a row also.lol

it is what it is...

[jimmypowder]

Where is Flacco's leadership in the 4th quarter
when we needed to get in a hurry up offense
And didn't do it ??????? This should be when
Joe goes to Cam and says we need the hurry up
Offense now !!!!! This worries me greatly . Instead we take our good ol time and then decide to kick a field goal!! Geez !!!

This is not the decision making abilities of a elite
Qb I'm so sad to say .

[Alexir]

Ryan or Flacco? Hate this debate. If I had to pick between the 2, I would pick Aaron Rodgers hands down. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

[grantkyle2003]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1316433953' post='797887']
Where is Flacco's leadership in the 4th quarter
when we needed to get in a hurry up offense
And didn't do it ??????? This should be when
Joe goes to Cam and says we need the hurry up
Offense now !!!!! This worries me greatly . Instead we take our good ol time and then decide to kick a field goal!! Geez !!!

This is not the decision making abilities of a elite
Qb I'm so sad to say .
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I was saying that too brother, We needed a Touchdown in that situation. I was screaming at the TV and they ran that drive like they were in the lead and wasting precious time. End of the day we gave that game away.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1316404652' post='797686']

We have the right to voice our opinions whether you like them or not. So you can get outta here with that stuff. And anyone that watched SNF can't tell me Flacco would have done what Ryan did. IN FACT, Joe had the opportunities to do that and couldn't. All my post said was it seems the other young QBs are far more hungrier and aggressive. I still know we're a playoff contender that will go deep into the postseason but these glaring deficiencies can't be ignored or covered up as much as you and other would love to do. Much to your chagrin, we have alot of work to do if Joe is going to truly silence his critics.
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What irritates me (even though it is not only you), but I hate when all week I was waiting for someone to say something about the Flacco/Ryan debate or for someone to hate on Flacco. And after the entire week passed and then Flacco had a bad game, then every wants to come on and post how bad Flacco is. People only want to be critics, but don't want to stand up for their opinions whenever they could be wrong. Its easy to be a critic when someone has a bad week but where was that for Freeman last week or Ryan last week. But Flacco can't get credit for what he does right.

Now he did struggle. But quarterbacks do have bad games. Even the best of them. As painful as it is, I think this could be the best thing to happen to the Ravens. We beat the Steelers bad and we got too arrogant and got caught off guard. Getting punched in the mouth will be a humbling learning process for us. But to look at one game over an entire body of work and overlook what Flacco has done for our team; would be a foolish and irrational decision (not saying you have done that but there are others who have). Flacco will bounce back. If you look at what he has done in the past, you will see he will bounce back