Should The Ravens Trade A First Round Pick For A Wr?

[kassaiscool]

I was just thinking about how hard it would be to stop this offense if we had some more play makers. The two teams that I think that might be willing to trade are the Cardinals, and lions. Maybe a first round pick and a third round pick for Calvin johnson?? or the same thing for Anquan Boldin. The lions are basically done, and I thought they would just want to stack up on picks and help their D, and the Cardinals obviously don't want to pay Anquan Boldin. Any thoughts on these suggestions?

[itscbm5042]

Calvin Johnson is the face of their franchise they won't part with him but I think if the team is in good position mid way through the season they may trade for a wide receiever (even Chad Johnson whose value is falling and hates Cincy) to give this team a deep threat. I wouldn't be surprised.

[POE]

I just don't think this type of thing will happen. The one thing that we have done consistantly is lived by the draft. However, most of our offensive weapons have come through FA, there is no way that we throw away draft picks for a WR.

[smashmouth]

I'd like to see the Ravens draft a top notch Reciever. It will be alot easier for the Fact that we have Cam, He can see talant on the offensive side of the ball. Something i dont think we had in Oz,Billick and the past O-cords If everyone remembers right, Coach Cam was the one who was sold on Flacco, and made a huge push on Oz to get Him if Ryan wasnt available. His instincts seem to be paying off already.

I do think we need to adress the reciever postion in the draft this upcoming year, maybe not the 1st pick but early. Mason still shows no sign of slowing down, but He's not a deep threat. Figures is a guy that could scare a team, if He devolops into a decent route runner and practices catching the ball He could very well play into the #2 or 3 reciever.

[PuRock]

We've had this conversation a million and one times now. We will not be trading anything for any WR this year. Get use to this thought. Arizona is winning now, they aren't going to get rid of Boldin.

Let's stick to the gameplan. Running the ball and Defense while we develop our young OL and QB. Then lets draft a WR in the next draft. What we do not need right now is a hefty contract so that Flacco can attempt to heave it down the field.


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[theFRANCHISE]

I can't see the Ravens ever trading a first-round pick for ANY player, period. Especially not after sacrificing 2004's first-round pick to trade up to get Kyle Boller in 2003 (offset, however, by the acquisition of Terrell Suggs in the same round earlier).

Ozzie Newsome can get much more value on draft day out of a first-round pick than just ONE player.

And honestly, I don't think there's any receiver (not even Randy Moss/Terrell Owens/Anquan Boldin/Larry Fitzgerald, etc.) that is worth sacrificing a first-round pick. Especially not when such a trade carries risks or the asking price will likely be a little bit more than JUST that first-round pick.

[PuRock]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='67977' date='Sep 23 2008, 02:55 PM']I can't see the Ravens ever trading a first-round pick for ANY player, period. Especially not after sacrificing 2004's first-round pick to trade up to get Kyle Boller in 2003 (offset, however, by the acquisition of Terrell Suggs in the same round earlier).

Ozzie Newsome can get much more value on draft day out of a first-round pick than just ONE player.

And honestly, I don't think there's any receiver (not even Randy Moss/Terrell Owens/Anquan Boldin/Larry Fitzgerald, etc.) that is worth sacrificing a first-round pick. Especially not when such a trade carries risks or the asking price will likely be a little bit more than JUST that first-round pick.[/quote]

Exactly. Ravens trading away a 1st round pick. Is like combining Meat and ice cream, it makes me sick to my stomach. Draft day is something we do well in. If you want to see 1st round picks being traded away for a receiver become a Redskins fan.

[rayvenfan_52]

Say no to trading our good draft picks for players. Look at all the people we drafted. They all show good signs of being great in the NFL. It all comes down to their mentality and how they take the game.

[Redreed]

I agree and disagree with some stuff here, my two cents:

Although Anquan Boldin is worth a 1st round pick to me, we probably won't get him. I'd love to see it, but it's just looking really bleak. If you all would remember, I was suggesting we trade for Boldin in July. Although, I was suggesting we trade him for Suggs mainly because I was so upset at Suggs for holding out. I regret writing that stuff out now, because Suggs is the man, and after thinking about it I would be heartbroken if I saw him in another jersey.

Also, I don't think Cam Cameron will push for a WR option in the draft. If you look at his NFL career he has never needed notable or big name receivers to put up points. In fact, the best receiver he ever had was Chris Chambers and the Dolphins traded him to SD during the season Cam coached down there. Cam seems to like the 6'0, speedy receiver build (or at least he is okay with it and knows how to work with it). I would love another WR, personally, but only if they selected a mismatch guy with great size (6'4, maybe even 6'5) that we could use more around the goal line, and in 3rd and short situations, rather than just another 6'0 speed guy.

I would like to point out how amazing Derrick Mason is, BTW. Teams have been camping the sticks on every 3rd down against the Ravens for 2 years now, and this guy is pushing 40 years old and he can still get open seemingly whenever he wants inside of 10 yards from scrimmage. He works his corner every game, he is a real pro, and uses the sideline as well as anyone. Props to DM for continuing to do his thing, now, if he could only teach Clayton how to get open.

[rayvenfan_52]

I agree with Redreed on this one. Ofcourse I said no about getting a good WR but the truth is no one will want to trade them. If they do decide to trade a WR to us theyll make sure itll cost us a lot more then the WR is worth. We dont need a WR right now though. Mason continues to do what he does regardless of how old he is. If only he could teach Clayton how to do it. Heap will be back after he gets the rust shaken off. You might criticize Heap now but the same thing might happen just like it did with McGahee. Willy still pulled through even though he just started 1 game against the Browns.

[Ozzsome]

I don

[Ozzsome]

I don

[Ozzsome]

I don

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='Redreed' date='Sep 23 2008, 03:10 PM' post='67986']

Also, I don't think Cam Cameron will push for a WR option in the draft. If you look at his NFL career he has never needed notable or big name receivers to put up points. In fact, the best receiver he ever had was Chris Chambers and the Dolphins traded him to SD during the season Cam coached down there. Cam seems to like the 6'0, speedy receiver build (or at least he is okay with it and knows how to work with it). I would love another WR, personally, but only if they selected a mismatch guy with great size (6'4, maybe even 6'5) that we could use more around the goal line, and in 3rd and short situations, rather than just another 6'0 speed guy.

This from the Baltimore Sun -

"He (Cam) needs a few more weapons. As I mentioned before, he wants a deep, vertical threat and has been in general manager Ozzie Newsome's ear about getting one. I think as the season goes on, you'll see the offense evolve more, but the basic principles and foundation like the fast pace, and ball control concepts have already been laid."

"You are absolutely right. The Ravens don't have a proven vertical threat, and that's No. 1 on offensive coordinator's Cam Cameron's list for next season. They would like for Demetrius Williams to be that guy, but he can't stay healthy. We'll see as the season goes on. One of the reasons the Ravens are staying with the short, safe stuff is to bring quarterback Joe Flacco along slowly. Fortunately for the Ravens, they have played two teams with lousy cornerbacks. As the opponents get better, they are going to have to open up the offense."

So there it is. Cam wants that big play tall deep threat wide receiver and is PRIORITY 1 for him and this offense.

[EdReedisthebestsafetyeva20]

I wish but we worship our picks for some reason, Chad would be nice as he wants out and there losing though....

[Ravensman5220]

[quote name='kassaiscool' post='67939' date='Sep 23 2008, 12:44 PM']I was just thinking about how hard it would be to stop this offense if we had some more play makers. The two teams that I think that might be willing to trade are the Cardinals, and lions. Maybe a first round pick and a third round pick for Calvin johnson?? or the same thing for Anquan Boldin. The lions are basically done, and I thought they would just want to stack up on picks and help their D, and the Cardinals obviously don't want to pay Anquan Boldin. Any thoughts on these suggestions?[/quote]
Wow if you think the lions are going to trade Calvin Johnson for a 1st and a 3rd you don't know football. They drafted this guy with the intention of him being a future hall of famer. As for the Ravens trading there 1st round pick they learned their lesson when they did that for Kyle Boller and I doubt Ozzie will ever do it again, especially given his track record with 1st rounders. As for needing a playmaker our recievers are just fine it will just take time for Flacco to get in sync with them and for Cam to find out what they each do best.

[bossman419]

the ravens should just keep building through the draft.. we do that very well

[Ravens52]

[quote name='bossman419' post='68180' date='Sep 23 2008, 07:51 PM']the ravens should just keep building through the draft.. we do that very well[/quote]

Yeah, but our history with wide receivers hasn't been that good in the draft.. our best receiver came in through free agency.

[CARavensFan]

If Cam keeps pushing I could see Oz pulling the trigger for a good WR, maybe not one for a 1st rounder, but we could for a 2nd is a possibility . . .

[bossman419]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='68187' date='Sep 23 2008, 09:00 PM']Yeah, but our history with wide receivers hasn't been that good in the draft.. our best receiver came in through free agency.[/quote]
that is true but we need to stay away from the huge FA contracts.. alot of players stop working after they get paid

[tweety]

[quote name='Redreed' post='67986' date='Sep 23 2008, 03:10 PM']I would love another WR, personally, but only if they selected a mismatch guy with great size (6'4, maybe even 6'5) that we could use more around the goal line, and in 3rd and short situations, rather than just another 6'0 speed guy.[/quote]

Clarence Moore was a good target at the goal-line in 2005 at 6'5", but didn't perform 2006 season. What did you think about him?

[Tiz]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='68187' date='Sep 23 2008, 06:00 PM']Yeah, but our history with wide receivers hasn't been that good in the draft.. our best receiver came in through free agency.[/quote]
but how much of that is due to instability at QB. Look at how productive Stokely was for the Colts...

[bce086]

QUOTE (Ravens52 @ Sep 23 2008, 06:00 PM)
Yeah, but our history with wide receivers hasn't been that good in the draft.. our best receiver came in through free agency.


Right, but we also have a new head coach, and Coach Cam's input now. Cam has already said that getting a BIG receiever is his #1 priority and has already been talking to Ozzie and Co. about this.

[MKdave]

I think we should go for a reciever in the draft next year. Not as a first though. Second round is usually the best place for recievers. 1st rounders, Unless they are tremendously mentaly tough, are generally Disapearing acts. Second rounders tend to have less of the prima-donna superstar Wideout feel to them also.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='MKdave' post='68290' date='Sep 24 2008, 08:47 AM']I think we should go for a reciever in the draft next year. Not as a first though. Second round is usually the best place for recievers. 1st rounders, Unless they are tremendously mentaly tough, are generally Disapearing acts. Second rounders tend to have less of the prima-donna superstar Wideout feel to them also.[/quote]

I wouldn't completely agree with that . . . two of the biggest prima-donna's at the wideout position were taken the second round: DeSean Jackson and Chad Johnson-Ochocinco

And by contrast Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams were both taken in the first round and they aren't anywhere close to being what I would call prima-donna, based on what I have seen.

[macbrak]

No.

[MKdave]

[quote name='CARavensFan' post='68314' date='Sep 24 2008, 06:01 PM']And by contrast Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams were both taken in the first round and they aren't anywhere close to being what I would call prima-donna, based on what I have seen.[/quote]
But to be fair, how prima-donna can you be in Detroit, when you're surrounded by a whole bunch of other first round wideouts, and you're on a team that loses games by more touchdowns than you score in a season.

As for DeSean, he's just an ***. Draft position can't eradicate that.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='MKdave' post='68321' date='Sep 24 2008, 10:10 AM']But to be fair, how prima-donna can you be in Detroit, when you're surrounded by a whole bunch of other first round wideouts, and you're on a team that loses games by more touchdowns than you score in a season.

As for DeSean, he's just an ***. Draft position can't eradicate that.[/quote]

Well that's true, it will be like the Steelers trying to talk trash after the Ravens manhandle them Monday

[Jesse Conroy]

I am not sure that will happen, but I would like to get Anquan.