Cornerback Situation Against Tennessee

[BloodRaven]

I'd rather see Naka playing nickle than Foxy.

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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1316073177' post='791739']
they are amazing!!!! finnegan is maybe the most strong and aggressive corner in the league. remember how he faught andre last year. this guy is a stud!! hope can still hit and is a very good zone cover safety!!
i don´t wanna talk too much into this but not respecting your opponent is only steelers-like. nothing to be proud of!!
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OK, first all maybe you didn't quite see how Andre manhandled Finnegan on national TV but it was straight embarrassing for him. And you obviously don't have the Sunday ticket or you might have actually watched some Titans games, but Hope got burned last season more than Frank Walker ever did in Baltimore, Thirdly do you even know where the Titans pass defense ranked last season ????? Did you even bother to check, or do you just spout out useless statements for fun? The Titans had the 29th ranked pass defense last season! Lastly they have absolutely no depth at CB behind Finnegan.

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[latenighthero]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1316120842' post='792295']

OK, first all maybe you didn't quite see how Andre manhandled Finnegan on national TV but it was straight embarrassing for him. And you obviously don't have the Sunday ticket or you might have actually watched some Titans games, but Hope got burned last season more than Frank Walker ever did in Baltimore, Thirdly do you even know where the Titans pass defense ranked last season ????? Did you even bother to check, or do you just spout out useless statements for fun? The Titans had the 29th ranked pass defense last season! Lastly they have absolutely no depth at CB behind Finnegan.

Next time you throw around words like amazing, why don't you do some actually research about what your talking about.
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Andre Johnson also has over 6 inches and like 70 pounds on Finnegan. I'd say that he's a pretty tough guy if he's willing to duke it out with a guy that is that much bigger than him. Of course he's gonna get beat, but just because he isn't good at throwing punches doesn't have anything to do with his toughness. Just because teams get a lot of passing yards doesn't necessarily mean that they have a terrible pass defense. Also Cedric Griffen or whatever his name is, is a top class safety, Hope is meh but he's solid and Finnegan is quite good. After that I can't say much but that's 2 very good players and 1 player who had an offseason but is normally quite good.

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[latenighthero]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1316121907' post='792315']

First of all you obviously know how good the Titans secondary is you defiantly have their names down, (Michael Griffin).

I never said Finnegan was bad but the Titans Secondary is no where near AMAZING.

AND i have no idea what you are possibly talking about? DO you have any idea how football works? If you have the 29th ranked pass defense you have major problems in your secondary. PERIOD. You sound like a fool,

UM just because we have the worst pass defense doesn't mean our pass defense isn't bad.
Yeah that makes a ton of sense?

Everyone that reads your post is now a bit stupider.
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29th ranked passing defense just means that they allowed the 4th most passing yards last year. Chad Henne put up almost 400 yards on the patriots secondary last week, and Romo threw for a ton last week against the Jets.

It's not just the ability of 5 guys (give or take a nickel) that is the sole reason a TEAM gives up that many yards passing.

[stopsizzle55]

ok first of all andre johnson is 6'3 226 and cortland finnegan is 5'10 188. thats 5 inches and about 35 pounds. yea hes bigger but not 70 pounds bigger. and what constitues a bad secondary? because obviously passing yards doesnt mean anything. and you say cedric griffin is a top class safety? you dont even know his name. its michael griffin. how can he be a top class safety if you, the football expert, don't know his name. he's been in the league for 4 years. he is good but no one can say that secondary is amazing, or even good. and you tell bmore to do some research. you have nothing factual in your last post so you do some research

[latenighthero]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1316123307' post='792342']
ok first of all andre johnson is 6'3 226 and cortland finnegan is 5'10 188. thats 5 inches and about 35 pounds. yea hes bigger but not 70 pounds bigger. and what constitues a bad secondary? because obviously passing yards doesnt mean anything. and you say cedric griffin is a top class safety? you dont even know his name. its michael griffin. how can he be a top class safety if you, the football expert, don't know his name. o by the way he's never made a pro bowl. and you tell bmore to do some research. you have nothing factual in your last post so you do some research
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That's also very nice of you to correct me about the size differential between Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan but there is still a massive size differential which proves my point.

If I was a football expert I wouldn't be on this site. None of us are football experts we're just fans. Ya I got his name mixed up with Credric Griffin the CB for the Vikings, that's irrelevant because he was a pro-bowl selection in 2008 and again last year and he was an all-pro selection last year.

[b]DID YOU GET THAT? HE WAS AN ALL-PRO SELECTION LAST YEAR. [/b]There is your factual evidence.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='stopsizzle55' timestamp='1316123820' post='792348']
ok first of all andre johnson is 6'3 226 and cortland finnegan is 5'10 188. thats 5 inches and about 35 pounds. yea hes bigger but not 70 pounds bigger. and what constitues a bad secondary? because obviously passing yards doesnt mean anything. and you say cedric griffin is a top class safety? you dont even know his name. its michael griffin. how can he be a top class safety if you, the football expert, don't know his name. he's been in the league for 4 years. he is good but no one can say that secondary is amazing, or even good. and you tell bmore to do some research. you have nothing factual in your last post so you do some research
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The Buffalo Bills allowed the 3rd fewest passing yards last year. Please explain?

[Maryland1]

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[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1316122838' post='792329']
29th ranked passing defense just means that they allowed the 4th most passing yards last year. Chad Henne put up almost 400 yards on the patriots secondary last week, and Romo threw for a ton last week against the Jets.

It's not just the ability of 5 guys (give or take a nickel) that is the sole reason a TEAM gives up that many yards passing.
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OK, great even better, the fault can not just be placed on the 5 or 4 secondary players but the defense as a whole. I guess that means that the entire Titans defense blows in pass coverage.

But, lets be honest for a second, because Im just sick of this conversation, considering that all my argument was in the first place was that the Titans secondary isn't amazing. [i]<Deleted>[/i]

I never said Finnegan wasn't good, or Griffin; only that the Secondary is far from amazing.

[BmoreInBmore]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1316124451' post='792363']
The Buffalo Bills allowed the 3rd fewest passing yards last year. Please explain?
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They have a good secondary. Byrd is a sick young player, Whitner is a highly underrated Safety, and Mcghee, and McKelvin are both solid corners, that doesn't surprise me at all. Just because your secondary is good doesn't mean your team will win every game.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1316124809' post='792370']

They have a good secondary. Byrd is a sick young player, Whitner is a highly underrated Safety, and Mcghee, and McKelvin are both solid corners, that doesn't surprise me at all. Just because your secondary is good doesn't mean your team will win every game.
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I would agree they have a good secondary, but not the 3rd best in the league, not really even close either. I watch all 16 Bills games every year so I have reasonable knowledge of their team. The main reason why they gave up the 3rd fewest passing yards is because teams didn't bother to pass against them because the Bills had one of the worst run defenses in recent memory and the Bills were constantly behind so the other teams would just keep running the ball in the 2nd half. Whitner is largely viewed by Buffalo fans as over rated, Byrd had a great rookie season, but didn't play quite as well last year and neither Mcghee or McKelvin are #1 corners. McKelvin isn't as good as other people think and he's a #2 corner at best and Mcghee is good, but I don't think you could consider him a solid #1 corner because he's not going to be able to shutdown elite receivers.

[BmoreInBmore]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1316125546' post='792378']
I would agree they have a good secondary, but not the 3rd best in the league, not really even close either. I watch all 16 Bills games every year so I have reasonable knowledge of their team. The main reason why they gave up the 3rd fewest passing yards is because teams didn't bother to pass against them because the Bills had one of the worst run defenses in recent memory and the Bills were constantly behind so the other teams would just keep running the ball in the 2nd half. Whitner is largely viewed by Buffalo fans as over rated, Byrd had a great rookie season, but didn't play quite as well last year and neither Mcghee or McKelvin are #1 corners. McKelvin isn't as good as other people think and he's a #2 corner at best and Mcghee is good, but I don't think you could consider him a solid #1 corner because he's not going to be able to shutdown elite receivers.
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Its probably true that a lot of teams didn't have to pass much against the Bills because their run defense was so bad; and when teams did the secondary was solid. That makes a ton of sense.

So i guess if we were to relate that same logic to the Titans, than the Titans rush defense was better because teams could take advantage of their bad pass defense.

Just to reiterate i never once said that Finnegan or Griffin were bad, or that the Titans had a horrible secondary, my only issue was that people kept referring to them as "Amazing".

[latenighthero]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1316126123' post='792392']


Its probably true that a lot of teams didn't have to pass much against the Bills because their run defense was so bad; and when teams did the secondary was solid. That makes a ton of sense.

So i guess if we were to relate that same logic to the Titans, than the Titans rush defense was better because teams could take advantage of their bad pass defense.

Just to reiterate i never once said that Finnegan or Griffin were bad, or that the Titans had a horrible secondary, my only issue was that people kept referring to them as "Amazing".
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Ya I can't really say that they were amazing but with 2 very strong players it's hard for me to see how they could be terrible as well. Although if Hope was as bad as you say he was (I didn't watch much of the Titans last season) and with their other corners being weak, ya I would have to agree with you that they wouldn't be amazing.

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[quote name='Ravensstrike4424' timestamp='1316055281' post='791661']
where all the people at that were saying we should trade foxworth,yea you dont look to smart now do ya
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Right here, but i doubt we could have traded him considering he is a bad CB to begin with, who is now an injured bad CB. He should have been sent packing with Todd, McGahee, Gregg, and Leron; and we should have kept Wilson. He looked terrible in coverage Sunday, every time his man made a reception he was a few yards off, and slow to make the tackle, lets hope Carr and Jimmy get better soon, I'm tired of seeing Foxworth's terrible coverage.

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[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1316126677' post='792399']
Ya I can't really say that they were amazing but with 2 very strong players it's hard for me to see how they could be terrible as well. Although if Hope was as bad as you say he was (I didn't watch much of the Titans last season) and with their other corners being weak, ya I would have to agree with you that they wouldn't be amazing.
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I watched about five Titans games last season, and Hope reminded me a lot of Landry, he was always a few steps behind his man in coverage. You will see for yourself Sunday, but he is not at all what he used to be. I feel like people are high on him because they remember his days in Pittsburgh. But, last season he just looked plain slow. However, he is a solid run defender, and can lay some hits over the middle.

[PurpleReign92]

If you want to see blown coverage then look at film study of Bryant McFadden and Randall Gaye?

[Militant X 1]

too many of you cats in here are always "worried" lol

~Mili

[Kevin Mullins]

Ok, i feel compelled to weigh in.

Going into this game it would be wise of us to rotate our corners frequently against the Titans just so that everyone gets an equal workload.

I also think we will likely bring Naka in a lot more as a nickel to prevent Chris Carr from aggrevating his injury. To all the Foxy haters, he is extremely valuable now.

lastly, C-Mac is broke and looking for a job....just playing

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1316136723' post='792542']
Ok, i feel compelled to weigh in.

Going into this game it would be wise of us to rotate our corners frequently against the Titans just so that everyone gets an equal workload.

I also think we will likely bring Naka in a lot more as a nickel to prevent Chris Carr from aggrevating his injury. [b]To all the Foxy haters, he is extremely valuable now.[/b]

lastly, C-Mac is broke and looking for a job....just playing
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He is only valuable if he preforms. Which he did not do on Sunday. As it stands right now (unless he improves drastically in one week) he is only valuable to the other team while he is on the field.

[Kevin Mullins]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1316138175' post='792568']

He is only valuable if he preforms. Which he did not do on Sunday. As it stands right now (unless he improves drastically in one week) he is only valuable to the other team while he is on the field.
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lol...last time i checked...we won...35-7...and absolutely dominated on defense....and the lone TD was given up by Cary Williams...

How was Foxy a liability? I think some of ya'll want someone to [profanity deleted] about. Foxy could outplay everyone on this forum the day after he tore his ACL, let alone now. The dude will never be Revis, nor was he ever billed as such. He is; however, our most veteran corner who has been around the block and seen what a professional offense is capable of. He has played in important playoff games, and furthermore, he has played against talented players in the league.

His contributions are invaluable in a league that favors the Quarterbacks safety, 4 WR sets, and high scores. On any given Sunday we will need 4 corners on the field at once, especially if, like the patriots, falcons, packers, and even the jets......you can't just throw a linebacker under and a safety over the top.

This Sunday I predict Lardarius is going to start on Britt, and get double coverage from that sides safety on many plays. Cary and Fox are then going to rotate on the 2nd reciever, as well as Carr. Hamstring injuries are odd in a sense that they hurt less when your warm, but one mis-step or awkward abduction or adduction of the hip can pull it again.

[stopsizzle55]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1316138175' post='792568']

He is only valuable if he preforms. Which he did not do on Sunday. As it stands right now (unless he improves drastically in one week) he is only valuable to the other team while he is on the field.
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at least he's better than chykie brown. we missed our chance with josh wilson so now we have to live with what we have. im not a foxworth fan by any stretch but were stuck with him

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1316138733' post='792579']

lol...last time i checked...we won...35-7...and absolutely dominated on defense....and the lone TD was given up by Cary Williams...

How was Foxy a liability? I think some of ya'll want someone to [profanity deleted] about. [b]Foxy could outplay everyone on this forum the day after he tore his ACL, let alone now.[/b] The dude will never be Revis, nor was he ever billed as such. He is; however, our most veteran corner who has been around the block and seen what a professional offense is capable of. He has played in important playoff games, and furthermore, he has played against talented players in the league.

His contributions are invaluable in a league that favors the Quarterbacks safety, 4 WR sets, and high scores. On any given Sunday we will need 4 corners on the field at once, especially if, like the patriots, falcons, packers, and even the jets......you can't just throw a linebacker under and a safety over the top.

This Sunday I predict Lardarius is going to start on Britt, and get double coverage from that sides safety on many plays. Cary and Fox are then going to rotate on the 2nd reciever, as well as Carr. Hamstring injuries are odd in a sense that they hurt less when your warm, but one mis-step or awkward abduction or adduction of the hip can pull it again.
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Well, I would hope that would be true since we are fans and not players. Of course, that also isn't saying much. You can't put that TD on Williams really. Ben had way too much time there and it was a short field. You can't blanket a guy in the end zone all day long like that. Foxoworth was nowhere in coverage. Always 5- 10 yds off his man. Always. And slow to get to the tackle. Half the time he was the 2nd man to the tackle rather than the first. It could be due to the injury, but honestly, I didn't think he was all that prior to the injury. No, he isn't a Revis and I don't think anyone expects him to be. He needs to be more than merely serviceable though and right now he isn't.

[Bmoreazfan]

With Pagano not afraid to blitz any of our CBs should be enough to help us get a W against most teams. I'm not taking the Titans lightly regardless of us having a much better team all around. ...Hasselbeck is capable of putting on an excellent home-opener performance regardless of what people say. But it is a lot harder when you are getting hammered stupid by Ngata and company left and right so I believe in us come Sunday.

[jdynamite]

I really don't have an issue with Carr or Webb covering the Titans WRs... Cary is going to play also, Foxworth is the wild card because sharp comeback routes have beaten him, because his legs aren't back yet...

Britt is a dangerous WR but he was basically shut down by the Jaguars until that 80 yd fluke of a td pass then he caught 2 more balls after that play to give him a majority of his yds.

I don't see them having enough time to just pick our secondary apart, I think this week we see a sack from Kruger off the edge.

[jdynamite]

If Ngata and the front seven can shut down CJ early and often then I think we can dominate them at line of scrimmage. Maybe force a few turnovers trying to force the ball to Britt.

[Twistidfunk]

I am not worried about our corners. I was worried starting Jimmy smith though. I like the guy but he is a rookie and has a lot to learn, especially at a position like CB. Mistakes are glaring and usually very costly.

We have great options in the secondary and lets face it, Matt Hasselbeck gets waaaaay more credit than he deserves. I never thought he was that good. Shaun Alexander made him look much better than he was and he rode that train for all it was worth

[PurpleReign92]

Our defense is called "the next man up defense," when someone goes down we replace him with someone that is equally as talented. We will never have to replace all 11 guys on the field that is why we are still in great shape and on to Tennessee...

[jimmypowder]

I feel the only mistake we made in the offeason was not resigning Josh Wilson and letting either
Carr or Foxworth walk.

Other then that,Ozzie had a perfect offseason.A- grade ,the minus for the cornerback
moves.

[mgridda]

Told you so.


Britt just had his way with us.

[SuRihtanil]

I love when people play down names like Hope, Griffin and Finnegan, then those guys show up, and show you what they're capble of doing.

Those guys aren't washed up they're actually good, Finnegan is better than any CB we have on our roster. Hope and Griffin are pretty normal for SS/FS, but they don't suck by any means. I would take Griffin if we didn't have Ed Reed, and I would take Courtland Finnegan anyday of the week if he would come play here.