If Cam Cameron Can Not Get It Done, ...

[baltravens]

Should we replace Cam Cameron if we underachieve this year?
Give either a 'yes' or 'no' response to this poll.

[mhead66]

I think Cam's on his last legs...

This August Insider article says it eloquently:

"... I concluded it was probably time for the Ravens to thank Cameron for his service and go in a different direction.
The lockout, of course, probably saved Cameron's job. I tend to believe John Harbaugh would have gone in a different direction -- perhaps primarily at the behest of his boss, Steve Bisciotti -- had the Ravens been able to spend an entire offseason installing a new system and working with players. But the labor situation gave Cameron a reprieve, and so like it or not, he and the Ravens are still figuring out if this marriage is going to work."

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[bauer77]

Yes, this should be his last chance if we dont reach our goal. From what I've heard from around here, the only reason he still has the job now was cause Harbs campaigned for him.

[organizedchaos007]

I have defended Cam in the past, because when hes on... hes really "on". But its been so inconsistant, and I understand it "slightly" with the players we have had. Id have to say if he cant beat the one team in our division that ends our playoff runs... when it COUNTS, then yes.. think his time is up.

We do fine against most of the teams in the NFL. But we HAVE to be able to beat every team in our division first and foremost. Ill be basing my judgement this year on whether he can beat PIT, and especially in the playoffs.

[latenighthero]

I called this...although I figured it would at least wait until after/during our first game.

[bauer77]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315602810' post='782270']
I called this...although I figured it would at least wait until after/during our first game.
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Um huh? he hasnt been fired yet? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/huh.png[/img]

[latenighthero]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1315602895' post='782271']



Um huh? he hasnt been fired yet? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/huh.png[/img]
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Oh sorry, I meant I called that someone would start a thread about Cam Cameron and his "questionable" playing calling, but I assumed that it would at least be during or after our first game.

[bauer77]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315602981' post='782272']
Oh sorry, I meant I called that someone would start a thread about Cam Cameron and his "questionable" playing calling, but I assumed that it would at least be during or after our first game.
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Ohhhhh. Gotcha now.

Of course they will, just like someone will call for Flacco to be replaces if he doesnt have a good first game. Thats this forum for ya! lol

[scrock]

Its a tough situation for Cam, lots of new pieces along the offense but at some point in the year when everything comes together and some of the younger guys get used to playing at the NFL level if the offense really struggles and we still can't get it done when it matters I can definitely see change coming, especially when there will be a full offseason and enough time to implement a new offense.

[baadbobby]

Haha, before the Ravens-Skins pre-season game I was hanging in the front row behind the Ravens bench, when Cam came on to the field, I said "hey Cam, be aggressive against Pittsburgh" he rolled his eyes at me and walked away. I'm guessing he's heard that before[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/banana1.gif[/img]

[Jamal]

If we don't have a decent offense by mid-season, I pray we let him go.

Of course, I've been begging for this, since last season.

[Mount-Cody]

haha, 0 votes for no!

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1315604654' post='782301']
If we don't have a decent offense by mid-season, I pray we let him go.

Of course, I've been begging for this, since last season.
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Who do you think would be able to replace him at that time?

[baltravens]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315602810' post='782270']
I called this...although I figured it would at least wait until after/during our first game.
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Many people felt that he could have been out after last season, but Harbs gave him a vote of confidence and vowed to have a bigger hand in our offense for 2011. ...I started this poll because I have a gut feeling our offense will lack imagination in two days against the Squeelers. I am thinking only a major half-time adjustment could help us secure a victory Sunday afternoon. (The season has not even started and I want Cameron to get his act together when he calls plays against the Squeelers.)

[jaege]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1315605615' post='782317']
Who do you think would be able to replace him at that time?
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My 4 year old grandson. At least he would do a better job.

[RavensAllTheWay]

There's no question Cam can call a good game. There's no question he can orchestrate a passing game. He's done it here before. It's just gotta be more consistent. He's also gotta adjust when necessary. That was the largest issue with his play calling last year.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1315607130' post='782335']
There's no question Cam can call a good game. There's no question he can orchestrate a passing game. He's done it here before. It's just gotta be more consistent. He's also gotta adjust when necessary. That was the largest issue with his play calling last year.
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EXACTLY. We have seen Cam do an awesome job. And we have seen him do an awful job. If he can do more awesome, more often, more constantly, then he will be safe. Otherwise, he will be in trouble. That said I HIGHLY doubt there will be any mid season decisions like with Jim Fassel.

BTW, what was our record the year we let Jim Fassel go mid season and what was the before / after breakdown?

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

I never liked picking him up, and still don't like the addition and that is only fueled by all the excuses and reprieves thrown at him. Sure players dont execute a 100 % of the time, well duh if they did w would not have room for all the superstars in our cap.

That out of the way, I am willing to part personal feelings and preconceived notions and give him a chance to do his thing. I am hoping this year he will light it up and make me look like an [profanity deleted], but who knows.

Second off what exactly would Harbs hand do for us. he was a secondary coach with no offensive experience. I hope his hand was telling cam to remove his head from his fourth point of contact and call plays that fit.

If he can awesome, if he does not he will be gone because harbs cant save him again and if he does throw his weight behind him, Harbs could be looking for a job when his contract runs out.

[Jamal]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1315605615' post='782317']
Who do you think would be able to replace him at that time?
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I really wanted McDaniels or even Saunders last year. Too late for either of those guys, but whats the point sticking with him if we stink up on offense again? I'd let him go just for the sake of moving on from watching his boring and mediocre offenses.

[Crabcakes&Football]

I voted "yes". He would be gone already I think if it wasn't for the lockout, it was the right move for the purpose of having continuity. If we end up winning the SB I think we should keep him, but in the meantime bring someone in who can eventually replace him. Someone younger with a fresher perspective on this "new" NFL.

[Alexir]

Who the heck said no?

[Ravenglenn]

It's unfortunate that he's even still on the coaching staff.

[kagejb]

It is no question that he is on the hot seat. If he doesn't show up strong, he'll most likely end up gone.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1315626039' post='782503']
Who the heck said no?
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It was Berad.

[Npane171]

Hey, I've been frustrated with Cam numerous times!

Let's not make any mistakes though...Cam did put us in a position TWICE last year to beat the Steelers. He lead us to a victory early last season. It wasn't Cam who threw the interception or fumbled the ball against the Steelers in the playoffs. Had we prevented those mistakes from happening, we would have most likely dominated the Steelers in the playoffs...and what a victory that would have been! Like I said, though, mistakes cost us...not Cam's play calling. if anything, his play calling (at least for that game) got us two TD's in the first half. Point is...We may need to go in a different direction. BUT, he has put us in a position to win some games that specific individuals have messed up due to careless errors. We can't forget that and use Cam as a scapegoat due to poor performance on a team members own part. If Joe throws an interception, that's on him. If Rice fumbles, that's on him. Let's just see where this season takes us before we bring out the guillotine.

[Blex64]

The ignorance in this thread is pretty depressing.

The success of the offense is not solely dependent on him, I bet half the forum is clamoring for him to be gone by this time Monday though.

[Ravensfan23]

At what point can we start to replace fans? That's my question. There hasn't even been a single meaningful snap taken this year and already fans are trying to find an scapegoat.

What if Flacco lights up the Steelers defense for 300 yards and 3TDs on his way to a breakout season? What if the offense reaches top 10 status for the first time since 96, what will u guys say about Cam then?

I find it funny that the same people who throw tantrums at the first negative article about Flacco and quickly defend him by saying he doesn't have the weapons to allow him to be that elite guy or they talk about how he's still developing. Well news flash, Cam had to work with that same poor oline and possession ERs.

So why is it foolish for people to criticize Flacco, but the same peiple feel it justifiable to already call for Cam's head?

If Cam was Sean Payton and that 4th down call the other night, this city would have probably shut down with the amount of people calling for his head.

Just sit back and enjoy the year. If Cam doesn't get it done he'll be gone. But the same thing is true for anyone else on this team.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1315635465' post='782541']
The ignorance in this thread is pretty depressing.

The success of the offense is not solely dependent on him, I bet half the forum is clamoring for him to be gone by this time Monday though.
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The truth hurts; either he produces (calls good plays) or he is out.

[MKdave]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1315607433' post='782339']


EXACTLY. We have seen Cam do an awesome job. And we have seen him do an awful job. If he can do more awesome, more often, more constantly, then he will be safe. Otherwise, he will be in trouble. That said I HIGHLY doubt there will be any mid season decisions like with Jim Fassel.

BTW, what was our record the year we let Jim Fassel go mid season and what was the before / after breakdown?
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that was our 13-3 season, and if memory serves the offense was pretty good after Billick took back the offense. But, replacing the OC with the supposed 'offensive genius' HC isn't the upheaval that we would need to get Cam out of town midseason. Harbs is never gonna call the plays offensively. We'd have to bring in a new OC with his own offensive philosophies and perceptions of our players. I don't think it'd be a smooth transition, and if we're going to keep Cam on because of the truncated offseason, I'm guessing he'd have to be pretty bad to cut him loose in the middle of the year.

Edit: Had a look, and we were 4-2 before the firing (which happened in our bye) and 9-1 afterwards.

[i82much]

It's really tough to look at the product on the field and blame the coordinator. Biggest issue last year, imho, was losing Gaither. Yeah maybe a couple of play calls could have been different but the biggest issue was a patched-up O line. Flacco has continued to develop under Cam and we have won a lot of football games. Best approach is to wait until at least mid-season and give the line time to work together before we blow up and replace the coordinator. Tomorrow's game is huge but it doesn't tell us a whole lot about how this offense will look in three months.