Hines Ward Discipline

[callahan09]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315504268' post='781145']
[b]An NCAA player is not an employee of anyone, he's a student. When the NFL players were locked out, they ceased to be employees of the NFL, while that condition existed.[/b] They couldn't enter team buildings, talk to coaches, or even get medical attention from team medical staffs. That's a little part of Manning's problem - he didn't want to act, independently of the team physicians' staff that had been treating him, so he put off surgery.

But they were no longer under contract until the collective bargaining agreement was signed. No one was allowed interaction with their team, and they weren't being paid or receiving benefits. So why should they be subject to the regulations of management at that time?

GODdell will not pursue suspensions for any players as a result of lockout behavior, or he'll get lawsuits in court - and lose...
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You're making my point for me. An NCAA player is not an employee of the NFL. So if you can't suspend NFL players for their misdeeds during the lockout because they were not at that time employees of the NFL, then why is it OK to suspend an NCAA player for his misdeeds while he was also not at that time an employee of the NFL? It's a double-standard.

[mhead66]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1315504708' post='781154']

You're making my point for me. An NCAA player is not an employee of the NFL. So if you can't suspend NFL players for their misdeeds during the lockout because they were not at that time employees of the NFL, then why is it OK to suspend an NCAA player for his misdeeds while he was also not at that time an employee of the NFL? It's a double-standard.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, that Pryor really shouldn't have been suspended. He was suspended for actions he took while still an NCAA athlete, and he's appealing. He won't win at GODdell's level, but if he sues, he will. GODdell has no right to suspend him - exactly like the locked-out players. And the "suspension" of Tressel is ridiculous. He's a game-day consultant of the Colts, to help them decide to challenge... how can he possibly be suspended?

It IS a double standard... both are wrong. I just said that GODdell's motivation for suspending Pryor was to suck up to the NCAA, because it's a free gold mine to the NFL. Pryor took advantage a loophole, and the NCAA & NFL doesn't want the floodgates opened, by other players with the same idea.

[berad]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315504268' post='781145']
An NCAA player is not an employee of anyone, he's a student. [b] When the NFL players were locked out, they ceased to be employees of the NFL, while that condition existed. They couldn't enter team buildings, talk to coaches, or even get medical attention from team medical staffs.[/b] That's a little part of Manning's problem - he didn't want to act, independently of the team physicians' staff that had been treating him, so he put off surgery.

But they were no longer under contract until the collective bargaining agreement was signed. No one was allowed interaction with their team, and they weren't being paid or receiving benefits. So why should they be subject to the regulations of management at that time?

GODdell will not pursue suspensions for any players as a result of lockout behavior, or he'll get lawsuits in court - and lose...
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Wouldn't that mean they still had to abide by regulations set forth by the NFL? I mean, I'm not an employee of the NFL but I could walk up and chat with John Harbaugh if I wanted - but the players weren't allowed to?

Goodell had said that he would hold players accountable during the offseason and I hope he does.

[mhead66]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1315514313' post='781292']

Wouldn't that mean they still had to abide by regulations set forth by the NFL? I mean, I'm not an employee of the NFL but I could walk up and chat with John Harbaugh if I wanted - but the players weren't allowed to?

[b]Goodell had said that he would hold players accountable during the offseason and I hope he does.[/b]
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I hear ya', but some of the player reps, like Domonique Foxworth, have said that any punishments handed out to players, for misconduct during the lockout, would result in a NFLPA action. And, after six months of strife, I'm not sure the owners want another legal action, in this one-time circumstance.

It was crazy, that players couldn't even call their coaches. Bisciotti went to one of Zibby's fights during the offseason, but he (legally) couldn't even congratulate him in person after his win.

I'm glad that's done for another 10 years.

[JamesRules]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1315460279' post='780799']

A crime is a crime is a crime whenever it occurs for the judicial system. Its up to that system to find him guilty w/ punishment. But in terms of the NFL, he wasn't under contract. My job can't fine me for being late if they've locked me out and aren't paying me (not the best example, but you get the point).
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I get what you're saying but just because it's a job with a contract instead of part time or full time that doesn't make a difference to me. You make it out to be that if a player commits a crime, that it better have been during the lockout which is just plain stupid in my mind. A crime is a crime. Just because some sports stations make a bigger deal out of a few crimes, doesn't make the crime any bigger or smaller if someone is older or younger than the next person who got a DUI for example in my mind.

The way I see it is everyone who commits a crime should be punished, but no one should be fined(unless the comment is that bad). If they are fined, then 100% of the money should go in the hands of an organization against harmful words. That being said, if a player said anything like "I dislike f a g s" or "you're a f a g" then I don't feel the player should be fined. No one should be fined for their opinions/ words they don't real mean and being honest the way I see it. If a player said a comment like "all f a g s must die" then yes, they should be fined around 100,000. Also hand out a warning for once Roger. Prove to the world that you're not greedy(if you really aren't greedy).

[latenighthero]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1315366176' post='779625']

No I'm not buying the "during the lockout" clause. It is still "detrimental to the league" whether or not it was during the lockout. Not buying the "first offense" crap either and I will try to find it, but I don't believe it actually is Hines Ward's first offense. I mean, this is Reed's first offense so...he should have been fine then.

If what was stated earlier is true , that Ben was suspended for providing alcohol to minors well, that is different then.
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Ya that is one of the things that angers me the most is because it just seems unfair because both were (unless Hines has been disciplined before) first time offenders and to me (and I think most people) what Hines did was significantly worse and more detremental to the league.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1315504708' post='781154']

You're making my point for me. An NCAA player is not an employee of the NFL. So if you can't suspend NFL players for their misdeeds during the lockout because they were not at that time employees of the NFL, then why is it OK to suspend an NCAA player for his misdeeds while he was also not at that time an employee of the NFL? It's a double-standard.
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It's not about who's an employee and who's not. The suspension is a compromise for allowing Pryor to enter the Supp. Draft when GODdell believed he was trying to circumvent it. Which is sort of was and wasn't. GODdell is setting an example for other NCAA players because he doesn't want to allow other guys to just take benefits and then if the off chance that they get caught, while they can just head right over to the NFL. He doesn't want to give college athletes any leverage over the NCAA. It's a no-brainer really and it has nothing to do with what he did in college or whether he was an employee or anything like that.

[scrock]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1315363553' post='779584']
Yes no suspensions or penalties for Hines Ward or Braylon Edwards. It seem Goodell is sending the message that DUI's are frowned upon but not going to land you in trouble with the league.
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and David Reed gets suspended over nothing, case was dropped anyway wasnt it? some [i]<crap>.[/i]

[CJ88]

Great points are [url="http://thexlog.com/201109091316/sports-wagering/the-nfl-hates-the-little-guy-all-in-picks-september-9th/"]made here[/url] about how the NFL has a set method on how they discipline their players. Mike Lockley (practice squad player for Jacksonville) was fined for an illegal hit that costs him $20,000, a fine that James Harrison can easily pay for. See anything wrong with that picture?