The "Should We Trade Dominique Foxworth" Thread

[Nobi]

No. We should cut him. Knowing the Ravens he'll probably start though.

I really think we keep him around because of his NFLPA ties honestly. Always good to have one of those guys on your side.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315185849' post='777303']

Those guys did absolutely nothing for the Steelers to go 3-1. The Steelers relied on their running game and Defense to get them through.

Tyrod is completely capable of doing that for us. It's called having a strong "TEAM".

In week one, Dixon didn't play well at all, but the defense and running game did.

in week two. Batch and Dixon combined to go 9-17 for 33 yards passing. I have total faith in Tyrod to do that. The Titans QBs threw 3 Ints with 2 of them coming on potential scoring drives.

In week 3, Batch had his best performance. However when you look past the numbers, he didn't play well at all. He threw 2 ints. He also had 2 TD passes of 40+ yards but both passes where badly thrown and should have been picked off.

These are his 2 TD passes.
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If the Ravens had to rely on Tyrod to get it done for a couple weeks, we'd just ask our team around him to step up. Defense, Special teams, the running game. and just ask Tyrod not to turn the ball over, much like we did with Flacco in his rookie year.

So if it's possible, don't worry so much about our backup situation.
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I hadn't realized that Batch & Dixon had been that lousy. The only caveat is that the Steelers did beat some quality teams - Atlanta & Tampa... and Tennesee

But, yeah, statistically they stunk up the joint. I know you only want a game manager in that situation. However, the Steelers did have one advantage - they knew ahead of time that Roethlisberger would be out.

I think we're rolling the dice with Taylor, sticking with him. Like I said, there's not much out there, especially because he's familiar with our system and a new guy wouldn't be. Besides, Flacco hasn't missed a start yet in his 3 years.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

So then here is the question. If "The Jimmy" and "The Willie" step up and play well then what happens when Fox comes back and says he is healthy. Do we just let him start or does he play nickel.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315182892' post='777234']
You're wrong about Bulger and if we value experience so much than why are we going with Tyrod Taylor who has no NFL regular season experience? We are because he is more capable physically. You really can't use Bulger as an example when we chose not to do the same thing this year and then cut 4 of our more experienced players.

I said that you can't assume that it's not a guarentee that he's going to become the player that he was before. He might never be as good as he was.
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We didn't "choose" not to have Bulger, he retired. And there aren't any good backups available. What I was saying that we in fact HAVE paid players who have experience BECAUSE they have experience. I'm not saying we do this all the time. I was just giving an example.

No one said Foxworth will be as great as he was, but you don't cut someone just because he's coming back from an injury. You said you don't want to cut him, so I don't see what we're arguing here.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315186457' post='777315']
[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] I hadn't realized that Batch & Dixon had been that lousy. The only caveat is that the Steelers did beat some quality teams - Atlanta & Tampa... and Tennesee [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

[b]But, yeah, statistically they stunk up the joint. I know you only want a game manager in that situation. However, the Steelers did have one advantage - they knew ahead of time that Roethlisberger would be out.[/b]

I think we're rolling the dice with Taylor, sticking with him. Like I said, there's not much out there, especially because he's familiar with our system and a new guy wouldn't be. Besides, Flacco hasn't missed a start yet in his 3 years.
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Yea but that could go both ways. it's much tough to handle a QB with running potential without game planning for him and that's one thing that Tyrod doesn't need to be taught.

I understand the concern about Tryod coming in for a couple of games, but look at this team.

We have arguably the best FB in the NFL, a Top 5 RB, and hopefully a much improved Oline like back in 08-09 years.

Not to mention we still have one of the best defenses in the NFL, a defense who has the potential to get back to a dominant level of play this year.

We had one of the best return men last year with David Reed and LaQuan looks like he'll be a good one.

Then you look at our schedule. Other then playing the Colts and Chargers back to back, I don't see a strecth of games that our defense, running game and special teams couldn't carry us in.

It's not like we haven't been there before.

Also we have a guy in Billy the Kid who can consistently hit from 40-50+ on FGs.

The Ravens wouldn't be the explosive offense i'm anticipating them to be, and we'd have to win some ugly games, which isn't new for us, but I personally think we'd be OK with Tyrod. Especially with the way this schedule is shaping up.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1315186457' post='777316']
So then here is the question. If "The Jimmy" and "The Willie" step up and play well then what happens when Fox comes back and says he is healthy. Do we just let him start or does he play nickel.
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With the way teams are so pass happy in today's NFL, it really wouldn't matter imo.

I do think in this situation of the Jimmy and the CW stepping up, you keep them on the outside with the size, length and speed. So Foxy would be in the nickle.

But we also have to account for the amount of times that Pagano will rotate those guys in the back end. I don't think we'll see any pair of guys play 100% of the snaps at CB.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315187362' post='777340']

Yea but that could go both ways. it's much tough to handle a QB with running potential without game planning for him and that's one thing that Tyrod doesn't need to be taught.

I understand the concern about Tryod coming in for a couple of games, but look at this team.

We have arguably the best FB in the NFL, a Top 5 RB, and hopefully a much improved Oline like back in 08-09 years.

Not to mention we still have one of the best defenses in the NFL, a defense who has the potential to get back to a dominant level of play this year.

We had one of the best return men last year with David Reed and LaQuan looks like he'll be a good one.

Then you look at our schedule. Other then playing the Colts and Chargers back to back, I don't see a strecth of games that our defense, running game and special teams couldn't carry us in.

It's not like we haven't been there before.

Also we have a guy in Billy the Kid who can consistently hit from 40-50+ on FGs.

The Ravens wouldn't be the explosive offense i'm anticipating them to be, and we'd have to win some ugly games, which isn't new for us, but I personally think we'd be OK with Tyrod. Especially with the way this schedule is shaping up.
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Agreed. I'm still concerned with the OLine... whether McKinnie & Gurode can find the fountain of youth - but with our schedule - 5 teams above .500 last year (and that includes Indy - without Peyton)... There's not too many games TT couldn't handle with our schedule. I'm not a homer, but I honestly think we exceed last year's 12 wins (with Flacco & the other key guys healthy).

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315187707' post='777347']

With the way teams are so pass happy in today's NFL, it really wouldn't matter imo.

I do think in this situation of the Jimmy and the CW stepping up, you keep them on the outside with the size, length and speed. So Foxy would be in the nickle.

But we also have to account for the amount of times that Pagano will rotate those guys in the back end. I don't think we'll see any pair of guys play 100% of the snaps at CB.
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FWIW, I just saw on Twitter that Aaron Wilson said that Cary Williams was named a starter. No surprise, but it's pretty early to be putting that info out there.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315174843' post='777028']

Fact, really? Nice try though. It's funny how you're just assuming that he's going to make a full recovery from what was a potentially career threatening injury. I love Foxy, but he isn't young and corner is a position where if a guy gets a couple steps on you can be the difference between a pick and a TD.
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Where did I say he was going to make a full recovery? I do think I said it was a very serious injury did I not? I do believe I did. However, these people trashing Foxy aren't trashing him because of an injury impending his speed, but because he's "horrible", when he is not. My point was he's not completely game ready now, he hasn't played ball in over a year, which doesn't help when compounded with his injury.

Webb is coming back from the exact same injury, should we trade him too? After all, it's a "career threatening injury" right? But of course people wouldn't call for Webb's head, it's hypocritical and pathetic.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315188239' post='777361']

FWIW, I just saw on Twitter that Aaron Wilson said that Cary Williams was named a starter. No surprise, but it's pretty early to be putting that info out there.
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Yea I don't think that's a big surprise. To be honest, I actually think he's starting over Jimmy Smith right now. I would love to see the Jim Cary or Will Smith tandem open the game together. But I think Carr will get the start against Ward.

Jimmy Smith will still play alot so that's good. But being named the Starter is a real good look for Cary and it shows that the coaches aren't looking at status or contracts to determine who's starting or not.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315191923' post='777467']

Yea I don't think that's a big surprise. To be honest, I actually think he's starting over Jimmy Smith right now. I would love to see the Jim Cary or Will Smith tandem open the game together. But I think Carr will get the start against Ward.

Jimmy Smith will still play alot so that's good. But being named the Starter is a real good look for Cary and it shows that the coaches aren't looking at status or contracts to determine who's starting or not.
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Agreed.

I actually don't mind Carr starting over Jimmy, as long as it's Ward he's guarding. If they go 3 wide with Sanders or Brown, Jimmy will absolutely have to guard Brown, with Carr sliding into the nickel slot vs Ward. I don't think Carr has the speed to keep up with Brown or Wallace... Sanders, maybe.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315188153' post='777357']
Agreed. I'm still concerned with the OLine... whether McKinnie & Gurode can find the fountain of youth - but with our schedule - 5 teams above .500 last year (and that includes Indy - without Peyton)... There's not too many games TT couldn't handle with our schedule. I'm not a homer, but I honestly think we exceed last year's 12 wins (with Flacco & the other key guys healthy).
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man, I think we are in for some really special things this year. I honestly think that if we are the team we say we are, then 12 wins will be our floor this year.

I really dislike sounding like a homer, but right now I really don't care. Flacco and Rice now in their 4th years, and both were giving weapons around them to make them even better players.

I know it sounds funny, but that one 35 yard TD pass to Evans, and the double move he ran earlier in that game that should have resulted in a TD, showed me all I need to see from the Flacco Evans connection.

The back shoulder throw from Flacco to Dickson down the seam showed me all I needed to see from them, and seeing all the bunch formations Cam has used this preseaon has me excited as well.

I know people are down on our oline right now, but the thing about those guys, is they are all in their right places. So now it's just strictly a talent thing and gelling. All 5 of those guys are highly talented.

I think this offense is ready to take off, and the defense will get back to being dominant. The Ravens will pick up a lot more haters this season.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315192470' post='777478']
Agreed.

I actually don't mind Carr starting over Jimmy, as long as it's Ward he's guarding. If they go 3 wide with Sanders or Brown, Jimmy will absolutely have to guard Brown, with Carr sliding into the nickel slot vs Ward. I don't think Carr has the speed to keep up with Brown or Wallace... Sanders, maybe.
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Agreed. Carr should only handle slot/possession type guys.

Webb will be on the inside and his blitzing will be huge.

Can't wait to see Pollard blast Ben for the first time.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1315191896' post='777466']
Where did I say he was going to make a full recovery? I do think I said it was a very serious injury did I not? I do believe I did. However, these people trashing Foxy aren't trashing him because of an injury impending his speed, but because he's "horrible", when he is not. My point was he's not completely game ready now, he hasn't played ball in over a year, which doesn't help when compounded with his injury.

Webb is coming back from the exact same injury, should we trade him too? After all, it's a "career threatening injury" right? But of course people wouldn't call for Webb's head, it's hypocritical and pathetic.
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No we should not trade webb because he is faster than Fox ever was, and is younger with a very high celing, he is already doing some things better than fox ever did.

Whats pathetic is people who are stating their opinions for why he sucks which is he didnt perform well for about half of 09 and then the other people who are saying well he is good because of how he played in the second half. That is pathetic and it is hypocritical to tell them their logic is flawed when the other side uses the exact same logic just on the opposite side.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315192522' post='777479']

man, I think we are in for some really special things this year. I honestly think that if we are the team we say we are, then 12 wins will be our floor this year.

I really dislike sounding like a homer, but right now I really don't care. Flacco and Rice now in their 4th years, and both were giving weapons around them to make them even better players.

I know it sounds funny, but that one 35 yard TD pass to Evans, and the double move he ran earlier in that game that should have resulted in a TD, showed me all I need to see from the Flacco Evans connection.

The back shoulder throw from Flacco to Dickson down the seam showed me all I needed to see from them, and seeing all the bunch formations Cam has used this preseaon has me excited as well.

I know people are down on our oline right now, but the thing about those guys, is they are all in their right places. So now it's just strictly a talent thing and gelling. All 5 of those guys are highly talented.

I think this offense is ready to take off, and the defense will get back to being dominant. The Ravens will pick up a lot more haters this season.
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I think Dickson, running behind the LBs, is going to be lethal this year. It will take a safety to cover him - and in week 1, that's Polamalu, with Clark staying deep. If you throw in Evans deep, they'll have to swing Clark to his side to help Ike Taylor or McFadden - and neither one have played this preseason. McFadden has a hamstring, Taylor the broken thumb.

With this, you have Boldin one-on-one across the middle. With the Steelers' zone blitz, a quick LB, like Timmons, will help with the short stuff, but between Q and RR out of the backfield... I don't see a low scoring game next week.

It could turn out to be a shootout, with the Steelers' WR package, vs. Joe F. taking advantage of the Steeler corners. It will come down to who can protect the QB. Honestly, even with Leach, I don't think any RB on either team gets 50 yards rushing...

Like you said, lots of hate coming!

[mhead66]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315192626' post='777483']

Agreed. Carr should only handle slot/possession type guys.

Webb will be on the inside and his blitzing will be huge.

Can't wait to see Pollard blast Ben for the first time.
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Pollard and Webb blitzing will be interesting... Webb has been excellent this preseason, against the 'Skins he blitzed four plays in a row. That, with McPhee up the middle... The key will be to [b]contain[/b] him...

I think Roethlisberger will have trouble getting time to hit Wallace on those fly patterns...

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1315192676' post='777485']


No we should not trade webb because he is faster than Fox ever was, and is younger with a very high celing, he is already doing some things better than fox ever did.

Whats pathetic is people who are stating their opinions for why he sucks which is he didnt perform well for about half of 09 and then the other people who are saying well he is good because of how he played in the second half. That is pathetic and it is hypocritical to tell them their logic is flawed when the other side uses the exact same logic just on the opposite side.
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It's not pathetic, because Foxy started off rough and ended up playing fantastic football as the season went on. You know what that is called? Progression. Now if he played well and tapered off, then their arguments of him not playing well may have some merit. However he did not, he only got better as the season went on.

Terrible argument and terrible point you brought up. I love how people bring up Foxy's age like he's 33. These "debates" are so ridiculous.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1315191896' post='777466']
Where did I say he was going to make a full recovery? I do think I said it was a very serious injury did I not? I do believe I did. However, these people trashing Foxy aren't trashing him because of an injury impending his speed, but because he's "horrible", when he is not. My point was he's not completely game ready now, he hasn't played ball in over a year, which doesn't help when compounded with his injury.

Webb is coming back from the[u][b] exact same injury[/b][/u], should we trade him too? After all, it's a "career threatening injury" right? But of course people wouldn't call for Webb's head, it's hypocritical and pathetic.
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I'm not saying that we cut/trade him because he got injured and I never said we should do anything other than keep him on the roster. Also Foxy and Webb are completely different players (Webb relies on his speed instead of his brain, likewise for Foxworth). Also as you probably know different injuries impact people in different ways.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1315196180' post='777545']
It's not pathetic, because Foxy started off rough and ended up playing fantastic football as the season went on. You know what that is called? Progression. Now if he played well and tapered off, then their arguments of him not playing well may have some merit. However he did not, he only got better as the season went on.

Terrible argument and terrible point you brought up. I love how people bring up Foxy's age like he's 33. These "debates" are so ridiculous.
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Yeah it is pathetic because obviously you are the only one who could possibly be right and we should bow down to your extensive football knowledge. You like facts huh since you took your time to make a list

Fact: He has only played a half of one season of good football
Fact: As you have pointed out he is recovering from an ACL surgery
Fact: It takes a year for most to recover
Fact: He was not nearly as glamorous as you make him sound look at the schedule of the second half of the season and tell me how hard it must have been. Ill give you a hint the only people with legit number ones we lost too. The bengals, colts, green bay, and Pitt. You know the receivers he was going against after that. Browns, chicago, detroit (although they had a young calvin, all we had to do was double him though because nobody else was going to hurt us), oakland, and denver. Yeah that is a pretty pathetic lineup so yeah no wonder he did well it was a CB's dream to go against that lineup.

You are the one that brings up terrible points. Wow he played half of a season against lame WR's and then we get to the Pats who have nobody on their WR core and then we get back to the colts and get torched again. Your argument is among the weakest because all you do is discredit others and say oh well he is coming off a major injury and played a great half of a season against some garbage wideouts, anytime we ran into a legit WR QB tandom we lost. Coincidence maybe but I doubt it.

Oh and did I ever say Fox was 33 or say he was past his prime, I didnt think so. What I said was Webb was younger, now I aint not good at the mathmetics but I thought it was true, damn time machines.

And I am not making my argument off the fact that he has been injured therefore suck he was never that good even when we traded for him, that is the only time I really questioned Ozzie because I never liked Foxworth as a #1 corner. Although there is this saying in the NFL that is widely adopted by coaches, and that is what have you done for me lately. So what has he done for us lately ?

Get some new material your argument is tired and there can be flaws found in it just like the ones you find in others posts.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315193177' post='777492']

Pollard and Webb blitzing will be interesting... [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] Webb has been excellent this preseason, against the 'Skins he blitzed four plays in a row. That, with McPhee up the middle... The key will be to [b]contain[/b] him...

I think Roethlisberger will have trouble getting time to hit Wallace on those fly patterns...
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Yea that's always the biggest issue. The containment of Ben. We've always done a good job with his WRs, even Holmes, but it's the broken plays we struggle with.

I'd hate to take away the aggressiveness of Cary, Webb and Jimmy, but I also don't want them jumping many routes Sunday, because Ben will definitely use that pump fake to beat that.

As much as containing him will be the Key, I think the biggest key is the offense putting up early point that will allow the defense to play more freely without the thought of one quick score being the downfall of the team.

[reediddy]

Foxy was never a starting CB in this league or even considered one, but for some reason he is considered that here in Baltimore. Be satisfied with him as a 2nd CB or even in the nickel, he can make an impact there. You can never have too many good CBs

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Nobi' timestamp='1315186344' post='777314']
No. We should cut him. [b]Knowing the Ravens he'll probably start though.[/b]

I really think we keep him around because of his NFLPA ties honestly. Always good to have one of those guys on your side.
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This is perhaps my argument for cutting the guy. As of right now (due to injury or whatever) Foxworth is NOT our best CB. Yet, will they start him because of the money he is making? Because he is supposedly our #1 CB? Foxworth was not all that healthy. Decent, yes. Shutdown? Never. I think some remember his performance better than it actually was because of Washington/Walker/Ivy being the other choices. Almost anyone would look shutdown in comparison.

I'm fine keeping him around for depth. I am not fine with him starting.

[display name]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1315176615' post='777086']
And I'll counter that with a nope!
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You didn't even vote. How about you actually say your opinion on the topic? ASAP

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1315221888' post='777644']

This is perhaps my argument for cutting the guy. As of right now (due to injury or whatever) Foxworth is NOT our best CB. Yet, will they start him because of the money he is making? Because he is supposedly our #1 CB? Foxworth was not all that healthy. Decent, yes. Shutdown? Never. I think some remember his performance better than it actually was because of Washington/Walker/Ivy being the other choices. Almost anyone would look shutdown in comparison.

I'm fine keeping him around for depth. I am not fine with him starting.
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I agree with you but I don't think he'll be a starter just because of he's being paid the most. If he's not feeling good with the knee or he's getting beat because he can't keep up with guys then he'll be benched, much like Fabe was last year vs. the Bills (even thought the contract situation is entirely different). If he's impeding our chances of getting the win then he's out of there.

[display name]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1315164277' post='776756']


wow...just wow...

Corey Ivy SUCKED first of all. Horrible. As bad as Walker was.
And I'll let you in on a secret. Foxworth was NOT the reason we lost games in 2009.
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In case you weren't watching, Foxworth cost us at least two games by constantly getting beat. We would have beaten Cinci if he wasn't BURNED and then flagged against Chris Henry. We also would have beat the Colts if he hadn't have been two or three paces behind Dallas Clark. Yeah, Walker was worse, but still. I don't get the anti-Ivy thing either.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1315197053' post='777558']


Yeah it is pathetic because obviously you are the only one who could possibly be right and we should bow down to your extensive football knowledge. You like facts huh since you took your time to make a list

Fact: He has only played a half of one season of good football
Fact: As you have pointed out he is recovering from an ACL surgery
Fact: It takes a year for most to recover
Fact: He was not nearly as glamorous as you make him sound look at the schedule of the second half of the season and tell me how hard it must have been. Ill give you a hint the only people with legit number ones we lost too. The bengals, colts, green bay, and Pitt. You know the receivers he was going against after that. Browns, chicago, detroit (although they had a young calvin, all we had to do was double him though because nobody else was going to hurt us), oakland, and denver. Yeah that is a pretty pathetic lineup so yeah no wonder he did well it was a CB's dream to go against that lineup.

You are the one that brings up terrible points. Wow he played half of a season against lame WR's and then we get to the Pats who have nobody on their WR core and then we get back to the colts and get torched again. Your argument is among the weakest because all you do is discredit others and say oh well he is coming off a major injury and played a great half of a season against some garbage wideouts, anytime we ran into a legit WR QB tandom we lost. Coincidence maybe but I doubt it.

Oh and did I ever say Fox was 33 or say he was past his prime, I didnt think so. What I said was Webb was younger, now I aint not good at the mathmetics but I thought it was true, damn time machines.

And I am not making my argument off the fact that he has been injured therefore suck he was never that good even when we traded for him, that is the only time I really questioned Ozzie because I never liked Foxworth as a #1 corner. Although there is this saying in the NFL that is widely adopted by coaches, and that is what have you done for me lately. So what has he done for us lately ?

Get some new material your argument is tired and there can be flaws found in it just like the ones you find in others posts.
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You done yet? Thanks for reiterating two of my points. Man, how terrible must they have been for them to be used again only this time against me. You say it takes a year for most people to recover, well damn, it's been a year since he tore it, so what's your point? I never said you said he was 33, the point was that people use his age against him as if he were as old, when he's not even 30.

Seriously, get over your crusade against me. I really couldn't care less if you don't like me or if I hurt your feelings. You like to cry about how flawed my argument is, yet one of your facts was completely off base and another one was just something [I]I[/I] originally said. If you want to say bow terrible someone's argument is, it's silly to use one of their points. But hey, I'll continue to chat and discuss with the rest of the guys here who know what they're talking about. Whatever will I do without having to listen to your incorrect garbage? Sleep better probably. Welcome to my ignore list, I've given you more than enough attention.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1315235028' post='777729']
You done yet? Thanks for reiterating two of my points. Man, how terrible must they have been for them to be used again only this time against me. You say it takes a year for most people to recover, well damn, it's been a year since he tore it, so what's your point? I never said you said he was 33, the point was that people use his age against him as if he were as old, when he's not even 30.

Seriously, get over your crusade against me. I really couldn't care less if you don't like me or if I hurt your feelings. You like to cry about how flawed my argument is, yet one of your facts was completely off base. But hey, I'll continue to chat and discuss with the rest of the guys here who know what they're talking about. Whatever will I do without having to listen to your incorrect garbage? Sleep better probably.
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Ha dude I have nothing against you personally I just dont think your vision of Fox is as accurate as you think, just as you dont think mine is and therefore we have a set a stage for an argument. It has nothing to do with personal feelings. I agree with most of your posts just not this.

And my point with the year thing is, is as you stated he is nowhere near where he should be or where webb was so who is to say he ever will be again.

[AwakenTheDemon]

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Ha dude I have nothing against you personally I just dont think your vision of Fox is as accurate as you think, just as you dont think mine is and therefore we have a set a stage for an argument. It has nothing to do with personal feelings. I agree with most of your posts just not this.

And my point with the year thing is, is as you stated he is nowhere near where he should be or where webb was so who is to say he ever will be again.
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There is no basis to your year statement. People heal differently. You have people like Gooden who seemly heal slower than molasses moves, and people like Terrell Owens whose healing abilities could rival Wolverine's.

And for the record, I've never said the man should start, I've said the opposite in other threads. But he does not need to be traded.

And by the way, with how you started that last post towards me, it certainly did not come across as "Hey man, I totally disagree with your stance on Foxworth". So please do forgive me if I took your "extensive football knowledge" comment as a shot at me. All I've discussed in this thread was Foxworth, then you brought personal feelings with that post towards me. Now I'm done arguing over personal stances on posters. Mods will only delete it, now that I think on it. Now if you want to talk Fox, fine. But do not try to trash me again. I respect every opinion on here, it's not my fault if people take the word "pathetic" harsher than it's intended.

[GrimCoconut]

Foxworth shouldn't leave but he could restructure his deal. That would be nice.

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You didn't even vote. How about you actually say your opinion on the topic? ASAP
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Its a dumb poll and doesn't need my vote. ASAP