The "Should We Trade Dominique Foxworth" Thread

[display name]

Dominique Foxworth gets beat often and his penalized constantly. He also eats up 6 million dollars and is coming off a torn ACL. And even when healthy, he still isn't worth the money. So why not get him out of here and get a draft pick or another corner for him? The guy's got great charecter an I like him as a person but as a cornerback in the NFL he just can't do it like he should!Thoughts?

[Kwothdaraven]

What will you get for him? 6th rd draft pick at best? Its not worth it. He's worth more to us giving us depth at cb.

[hawkprey]

What does his salary matter if we're already under the cap?

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

The anti Foxworth thing completely baffles me. First of all, when does he get beat and penalized? The guy was by far our best player at the CB position in '09. You have to remember he is not 100%. He adds great depth to our secondary as well. I say No.

[tonyg6996]

We need to keep him. Nobody is going to give us a good trade, and cutting him would be a move we would regret down the line. Yes he is overpaid, but we are already under the cap and have no use for the extra room. What happens if Cary, Jimmy, Ladarius, or Carr gets hurt? Can we rely on Chykie Brown? Not to mention 2 of those guys are virtually untested, and the other 2 are coming off injuries. We finally have CB depth, let's keep it that way please.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I feel bad for Foxy. Dude is one of the most intelligent, classy players in the league. He's a team player, and just because he struggled at the start of his first season with us, and then went down with one of the worst injuries a cornerback can have, he's having people straight out trashing him. The man deserves better than to be treated as another Corey Ivy or Frank Walker. But hey, Tennessee released Walker, perhaps all of you people who are calling for Foxy's head would rather us have Walker be a member of this team again? After all, Domonique is just so terrible, there's no way there can be any drop off between him and Frank? Right?

Here's some facts for you.

Fact: Foxworth is coming off a very serious injury for a cornerback.
Fact: Foxworth himself said he didn't feel a hundred percent a few weeks ago.
Fact: Foxworth hadn't played football in over a year prior to the Washington game.
Fact: Foxworth showed in the second half and playoffs of his first year here, that he is a very capable cornerback.

This is now the official terrible idea thread. Continue.

[Jamal]

[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1315157516' post='776649']
The anti Foxworth thing completely baffles me. First of all, when does he get beat and penalized? The guy was by far our best player at the CB position in '09. You have to remember he is not 100%. He adds great depth to our secondary as well. I say No.
[/quote]
I don't get why people feel that way. First of all, let me begin by saying I'm not one of the people who thinks we have to trade Foxworth, even though I've admittedly never have been a big fan.

People forget he struggled mightily to start off the season. I'll agree he definitely picked up his game by the end of the season, but I'd argue that he was neck and neck with Webb(I actually thought he was better) Obviously Webb hasn't been anywhere near the player since he came back from that season ending injury.

Yes Foxworth was exceptional to end that season, but the sample size wasn't big enough for me to really feel comfortable with him coming back after a major injury.

With all that being said though, I'd still like to keep him, just not have him start. At least no until hes in real football shape.

[baltravens]

You will be sorry. ...You will regret it.
One of our corners goes down, and Foxworth could see playing time. (After all, why won't you let him get his legs back following the injury much like we did with Webb?)
IMO, The front office will have him restructure his contract following this season. It is a bad idea to get rid of Foxworth; we are under the salary cap while picking up Evans, Leach, and McKinnie.

[Moderator 3]

With all these new young guys, Foxworth with prove invaluable just with the veteran leadership he can provide.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1315159729' post='776679']
You will be sorry. ...You will regret it.
One of our corners goes down, and Foxworth could see playing time. (After all, why won't you let him get his legs back following the injury much like we did with Webb?)
IMO, The front office will have him restructure his contract following this season. It is a bad idea to get rid of Foxworth; we are under the salary cap while picking up Evans, Leach, and McKinnie.
[/quote]
And Pollard and Williams....we made the right moves, have depth and let's all be happy!

[SecretAgentMan]

This should be the should we trade Chris Carr thread, but lets see if he does good week one.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1315162270' post='776726']
This should be the should we trade Chris Carr thread, but lets see if he does good week one.
[/quote]

Yeah, because I'm sure that's the idea we had in mind when we resigned him.

This truly is the Terrible Idea Thread.

[display name]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1315157869' post='776653']
I feel bad for Foxy. Dude is one of the most intelligent, classy players in the league. He's a team player, and just because he struggled at the start of his first season with us, and then went down with one of the worst injuries a cornerback can have, he's having people straight out trashing him. The man deserves better than to be treated as another Corey Ivy or Frank Walker. But hey, Tennessee released Walker, perhaps all of you people who are calling for Foxy's head would rather us have Walker be a member of this team again? After all, Domonique is just so terrible, there's no way there can be any drop off between him and Frank? Right? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Here's some facts for you.

Fact: Foxworth is coming off a very serious injury for a cornerback.
Fact: Foxworth himself said he didn't feel a hundred percent a few weeks ago.
Fact: Foxworth hadn't played football in over a year prior to the Washington game.
Fact: Foxworth showed in the second half and playoffs of his first year here, that he is a very capable cornerback.

This is now the official terrible idea thread. Continue.
[/quote]
Corey Ivy wasn't that bad. I liked him. I do think Fox is better than Walker, but if you remember, both were the reason why we lost so many games in early to mid 2009.I finally liked Fox at the end of 2009, but then he tears his ACL. He is our worst corner BY FAR.

I said Foxworth is very classy and I like him as a person, but we could find a #5 corner a lot cheaper and maybe better. So I can't agree with you 100%.

[display name]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1315162270' post='776726']
This should be the should we trade Chris Carr thread, but lets see if he does good week one.
[/quote]
Chris Carr?? Carr is actually OK, unlike Fox.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1315162924' post='776735']
Corey Ivy wasn't that bad. I liked him. I do think Fox is better than Walker, but if you remember, both were the reason why we lost so many games in early to mid 2009.I finally liked Fox at the end of 2009, but then he tears his ACL. He is our worst corner BY FAR.

I said Foxworth is very classy and I like him as a person, but we could find a #5 corner a lot cheaper and maybe better. So I can't agree with you 100%.
[/quote]

So Chykie Brown is better than Fox "by far"?

[CapoRocky]

Let's give Foxworth a chance to play before we speculate about trading him. He's coming off of an injury, but performed well before he was hurt. He will not get beat if we have a decent pass rush this year.

[Free Agent]

I'm not a big Foxworth fan. He was a total letdown for the first half of 2009, but he seemed to catch up towards the end of 2009. However, with a year out of football last year, I don't think it would be a good idea to start him. He needs to work his way back into the starting lineup gradually, not be thrust out into the fire to matchup with Mike Wallace in week 1 when he clearly isnt yet 100%. But I don't know how trading him would benefit us. We would probably get a sixth round pick at best.

[flynismo]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1315162924' post='776735']
Corey Ivy wasn't that bad. I liked him. I do think Fox is better than Walker, but if you remember, both were the reason why we lost so many games in early to mid 2009.I finally liked Fox at the end of 2009, but then he tears his ACL. He is our worst corner BY FAR.

I said Foxworth is very classy and I like him as a person, but we could find a #5 corner a lot cheaper and maybe better. So I can't agree with you 100%.
[/quote]


wow...just wow...

Corey Ivy SUCKED first of all. Horrible. As bad as Walker was.
And I'll let you in on a secret. Foxworth was NOT the reason we lost games in 2009.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

We won't be cutting/trading Foxworth unless a team offers us something utterly ridiculous for him which, again, won't happen. At this point he might not be one of our best options as a starter because he's finding it difficult to play on the back of a serious injury but it doesn't make him a terrible player.

Having just defended him, I would be surprised if he isn't cut next offseason. By then his salary will likely far outweigh his use to this team.

[Kevin Mullins]

Foxworth is the ONLY PROVEN CORNER on this team!

I completely understand the obsession people have with young talent, up-and-comers if you will. However, this is the NFL...where potential and expectations mean as much as a forgotten birth control pill....AKA...nothing.

Jimmy Smith in a few years, barring any losses in his commitment should be considered a top 5 corner in the league.

Chris Carr has proven to be that "B" grade corner that is capable of playing the Y or Z receiver. You would never go singles with him on the X as his size and lack of vertical speed would have him smoked...but he is serviceable, good in run support, and smart enough to play route trees.

Lardarius is without a doubt our most athletic corner on the team. He is also the least intelligent, at least as it pertains the "Football IQ". Playing at such a small schooll means that he didn't see the complex routes, systems, and offenses that most D1 defenders face. Furthermore, he too is a ACL recovery project, and is probably just now forgetting that he had the injury. "forgetting refers to the idea that you don't play in fear of the injury anymore"

Cary Williams is a wild card. We all love his play in the preseason, and we are impressed with his physical nature. But seriously, do we think we could put him man-man on Andre Johnson in a few weeks? Or, even still, can he deal with Hines Ward week 1? We can't assume he is an answer before he's never been questioned.

Lastly, Chucki Brown is a no-one that has potential but won't make ANY impact on this team unless there is an injury...at least not this year. His INT against ATL shows his burst, but its not as though he made the pick off of intelligence or route jumping.

Foxworth is a veteran who has matched up against the best in the league at times. Like any corner he has been beat...but like few corners...he has also shown the ability to lock in and shut down a player for an entire game. He is our BEST corner as we stand now. By years end i hope im praising Jimmy and Lardarius....but we shall see.

[RavenousBG]

We can't do that. He's a vet and we may need him. Also, I know he isn't all the way back right now but before he got hurt, he seemed to be playing his best ball for us. Now, because of the injury, he has taken a step back but I think by midseason he may be alright. He just cannot start right now. But we need to hold on to him for later

[hawkprey]

Now we want to trade our only veteran cornerback? I guarantee you after our first loss our own fans will be down on the team for being too inexperienced.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Why are we even discussing this. He won't get traded, plus our CBs are unproven. Lastly, you need lots of good corners in the NFL these days. Its a passing league.

[scrock]

If this a new topic? Or the same old one thats been brought back up? Because there are a few Foxworth threads and its been discussed to death.

Our CB depth is very good and we are going to need all of them at some point. You never know when injuries can happen, you can go from a deep group to very thin quickly...Foxworth will play better as he heals and gets his legs back

NO trade

[latenighthero]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1315157869' post='776653']
I feel bad for Foxy. Dude is one of the most intelligent, classy players in the league. He's a team player, and just because he struggled at the start of his first season with us, and then went down with one of the worst injuries a cornerback can have, he's having people straight out trashing him. The man deserves better than to be treated as another Corey Ivy or Frank Walker. But hey, Tennessee released Walker, perhaps all of you people who are calling for Foxy's head would rather us have Walker be a member of this team again? After all, Domonique is just so terrible, there's no way there can be any drop off between him and Frank? Right? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Here's some facts for you.

Fact: Foxworth is coming off a very serious injury for a cornerback.
Fact: Foxworth himself said he didn't feel a hundred percent a few weeks ago.
Fact: Foxworth hadn't played football in over a year prior to the Washington game.
[u]Fact[/u]:[b] Foxworth showed in the second half and playoffs of his first year here, that he is a very capable cornerback.[/b]

This is now the official terrible idea thread. Continue.
[/quote]
Fact, really? Nice try though. It's funny how you're just assuming that he's going to make a full recovery from what was a potentially career threatening injury. I love Foxy, but he isn't young and corner is a position where if a guy gets a couple steps on you can be the difference between a pick and a TD.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315174843' post='777028']
Fact, really? Nice try though. It's funny how you're just assuming that he's going to make a full recovery from what was a potentially career threatening injury. I love Foxy, but [b]he isn't young[/b] and corner is a position where if a guy gets a couple steps on you can be the difference between a pick and a TD.
[/quote]

Since when does younger mean better? Oh right, since a month ago.

[berad]

Foxworth is 28, he should be in the midst of his NFL prime. I don't know why his age is being used against him.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1315174960' post='777033']

Since when does younger mean better? Oh right, since a month ago.
[/quote]
I never said that...He's 28 years old and he's coming off an ACL tear and Foxworth never was a particularly fast corner to begin with. I said that you can't just assume that he's going to be able to produce at the same level that he did before the injury.

[Juviebest]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1315175398' post='777050']
Foxworth is 28, he should be in the midst of his NFL prime. I don't know why his age is being used against him.
[/quote]

I agree.

I wouldn't mind seeing him restructure though, which I think is a possibility still.

[berad]

[quote name='Juviebest' timestamp='1315175528' post='777055']

I agree.

I wouldn't mind seeing him restructure though, which I think is a possibility still.
[/quote]

Of course, I'm sure Ozzie isn't looking at that deal happily. Cutting him is a little extreme, though. I remember the 2010 preseason, the scramble/outrage over CB depth after he tore his ACL.