Jason Phillips

[latenighthero]

I cannot believe this guy made the team. He made a couple nice plays but he CAN'T tackle. What made it even harder to believe is that Harbaugh decided to cut Gooden, Burgess and Bynes in favor of this guy. I hope the coaching staff is right with this choice but I really do not like this selection.


Thoughts?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315107456' post='776391']
I cannot believe this guy made the team. He made a couple nice plays but he CAN'T tackle. What made it even harder to believe is that Harbaugh decided to cut Gooden, Burgess and Bynes in favor of this guy. I hope the coaching staff is right with this choice but I really do not like this selection.


Thoughts?
[/quote]
If by "CAN'T tackle" you mean is horrible in coverage, you're correct?

[Free Agent]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315107456' post='776391']
I cannot believe this guy made the team.[b] He made a couple nice plays but he CAN'T tackle.[/b] What made it even harder to believe is that Harbaugh decided to cut Gooden, Burgess and Bynes in favor of this guy. I hope the coaching staff is right with this choice but I really do not like this selection.


Thoughts?
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I believe it was just the opposite. Phillips is a solid tackler, but as 1/28/01 said, he is horrid in pass coverage. He's destined for special teams along with McClellan.

[latenighthero]

In the eagles game he got absolutely embarrased, it was brutal, trying to make an open field tackle and missed a couple other "easy" tackles in the preseason. I did not watch the Atlanta Falcons game, but it was reported that he made quite a big mistake on one of their running back's big runs as well. I just don't see how he could make it over a guy like Tavares Gooden.

[PuRock]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315107456' post='776391']
I cannot believe this guy made the team. He made a couple nice plays but he CAN'T tackle. What made it even harder to believe is that Harbaugh decided to cut Gooden, Burgess and Bynes in favor of this guy. I hope the coaching staff is right with this choice but I really do not like this selection.


Thoughts?
[/quote]

Well the coaches see something in him that merits a spot over the other guys. That's more important than what we the fans see in limited action. I doubt he sees many snaps. I personally never been a fan of his.

But I won't bash the guy just because he's made the team. He's only in his 3rd year and can help in the run department.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315107948' post='776399']
In the eagles game he got absolutely embarrased, it was brutal, trying to make an open field tackle and missed a couple other "easy" tackles in the preseason. I did not watch the Atlanta Falcons game, but it was reported that he made quite a big mistake on one of their running back's big runs as well. I just don't see how he could make it over a guy like Tavares Gooden.
[/quote]
Gooden? The dude that could never stay healthy? I am not saying I am a Phillps supporter, but Gooden never did anything for me!

[latenighthero]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1315107996' post='776400']

Well the coaches see something in him that merits a spot over the other guys. That's more important than what we the fans see in limited action. I doubt he sees many snaps. I personally never been a fan of his.

But I won't bash the guy just because he's made the team. He's only in his 3rd year and can help in the run department.
[/quote]
Well I believe Gooden would be in his 3rd year as well, but I think if you wanted a 'project player' you would pick Bynes, if you wanted a ST guy you would taken Burgess or if you wanted depth at ILB you would have taken Gooden. Just my oppinion and I have only really seen him closely in the preaseason since he hasn't seen much action in the regular season, but to me he has looked very poor.

[latenighthero]

Maybe I jumped the gun a bit and made an asumption, but I really don't think he has the tools to become a useful player now that his prospect status is wearing off.

[PuRock]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315108430' post='776407']
Well I believe Gooden would be in his 3rd year as well, but I think if you wanted a 'project player' you would pick Bynes, if you wanted a ST guy you would taken Burgess or if you wanted depth at ILB you would have taken Gooden. Just my oppinion and I have only really seen him closely in the preaseason since he hasn't seen much action in the regular season, but to me he has looked very poor.
[/quote]

Gooden can't stay healthy. He eats up a roster spot with no production. Everytime he makes a tackle he comes up limping. He has a ton of talent though. I like Bynes, but besides the final PS game, he didn't do a ton. Oz loves his UDFA LBs and they usually keep one, so the coaches must've felt he just wasn't ready. Bynes could be back.

Philips has this one last shot to make his name felt on this team. Coaches are hoping to put him out there and let him fight for it.

[RavenousBG]

I personally liked what I saw of Bynes better than what I saw from Phillips but I'm no coach and I'm not at the practices. Our paid people usually make the best decisions. So I will trust they know what they are doing with Phillips. I mean McPhee is looking like a steal, and Cary Williams looks like a diamond in the rough, never heard of him until last year. So I'll trust what the paid folks say. I like Bynes though

[BloodRaven]

I don't get it, Gooden is a waste of space but Burgess is one of the best special teams linebackers in the league.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1315110652' post='776428']
I don't get it, Gooden is a waste of space but Burgess is one of the best special teams linebackers in the league.
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My only thoughts could be Harbaugh is placing less emphasis on ST coverage because of the new rules. Phillips is a better LB that Burgess is but I dont see Phillips ever seeing the field.

[The Raven]

Phillips may suck in coverage, but I feel that he's good enough in other areas to be a mediocre backup. He's better in zone than man, at least. He's actually a very solid tackler, a hard hitter, and very aggresssive. He's just not that athletic. He's good going forwards, but he can't go backwards or side to side. Someone mentioned earlier, if he played [i]20 years ago[/i], he'd be a great linebacker, and I agree.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

If we cut Hardy after one season than it was definitely Gooden's time to see the exit sign. If getting burnt in coverage is how to stay on this team or being one dimensional than yeah I can see why we kept Phillips. He was a downhill player which is great but he actually fell down trying to turn his hips and run that kind of speaks to his athleticism (or lack thereof) Burgess was a one trick pony which is special teams, which I think Bynes could do as well with the potential to actually contribute to the team.

[ravensdfan]

I get what everyone is saying about Phillips in coverage however, I felt he improved from the Eagles' game. Was he perfect? No but he did show improvement. Gooden was just too injury prone. Burgess was a career ST guy IMO which with the new rules simply isn't as important as it used to be.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I find it strange that he's being kept over Burgess as he's an inferior ST contributor. I did hear something about us trying to re-sign Burgess after we couldn't work out a trade with the '9ers for Gooden but I haven't heard anything else recently. Having said that, his roster place was on the cards since Harbs praised him so highly after the ATL game.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1315117520' post='776470']
Phillips may suck in coverage, but I feel that he's good enough in other areas to be a mediocre backup. He's better in zone than man, at least. [b]He's actually a very solid tackler, a hard hitter, and very aggresssive. He's just not that athletic. He's good going forwards, but he can't go backwards or side to side.[/b] Someone mentioned earlier, if he played [i]20 years ago[/i], he'd be a great linebacker, and I agree.
[/quote]

Think about who our new DC is and what he's seemingly all about. Being fast, physical and inflicting as much pain as possible on the QB.

If Phillips sees any time at all on defense and I think he will, he'll probably be rushing the passer from the inside position and/or helping to stop the run on short yardage situations.

The Ravens are grooming both Ellerbe and McClain to hold down that ILB position after Ray. The only thing that changes that is, a free agent addition or a highly drafted guy like Manti T'eo imo.

So that means everybody else at the ILB position are backup guys who excel in one area, but maybe not so much in another.

Phillips is good coming forward. Solid tackler, strong blitzer, and a very physical guy. However he won't be a 3 down backer because he doesn't play the pass well. Backup

BA is undersized and gets swallowed up in the running game. However he does a really strong job against the pass. You'll see him more in Nickle and/or Dime packages, moreso then our base defensive packages. Unless we are playing a pass happy team.

Gooden was a great talent but couldn't stay healthy. At some point you have to just cut ties with a guy.

Burgess, was a solid backup and really strong on special teams. However the new rule change really hurt him. Burgess is a OLB who occassionally played ILB.

So at OLB, you have Suggs, JJ, Kruger, and Kindle. Burgess wasn't gonna get more time then those guys. Kindle and Kurger played well enough in the preseason to warrant being the top backups.

When you break down the LB position. It came down to Phillips vs Gooden and McClellan vs Burgess. Just like Gaither, we can't rely on Gooden because of injuries and with McClellan he'll provide more value in "this" defense then Burgess would.

[baltravens]

It seems that McClellan is the replacement for Gooden on special teams. Like someone said, Gooden is injury prone and the staff sees or knows something about Phillips that warrants him a spot on the team. Bynes, hopefully will see PS.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1315140056' post='776519']

Think about who our new DC is and what he's seemingly all about. Being fast, physical and inflicting as much pain as possible on the QB.

If Phillips sees any time at all on defense and I think he will, he'll probably be rushing the passer from the inside position and/or helping to stop the run on short yardage situations.

The Ravens are grooming both Ellerbe and McClain to hold down that ILB position after Ray. The only thing that changes that is, a free agent addition or a highly drafted guy like Manti T'eo imo.

So that means everybody else at the ILB position are backup guys who excel in one area, but maybe not so much in another.

Phillips is good coming forward. Solid tackler, strong blitzer, and a very physical guy. However he won't be a 3 down backer because he doesn't play the pass well. Backup

BA is undersized and gets swallowed up in the running game. However he does a really strong job against the pass. You'll see him more in Nickle and/or Dime packages, moreso then our base defensive packages. Unless we are playing a pass happy team.

Gooden was a great talent but couldn't stay healthy. At some point you have to just cut ties with a guy.

Burgess, was a solid backup and really strong on special teams. However the new rule change really hurt him. Burgess is a OLB who occassionally played ILB.

So at OLB, you have Suggs, JJ, Kruger, and Kindle. Burgess wasn't gonna get more time then those guys. Kindle and Kurger played well enough in the preseason to warrant being the top backups.

When you break down the LB position. It came down to Phillips vs Gooden and McClellan vs Burgess. Just like Gaither, we can't rely on Gooden because of injuries and with McClellan he'll provide more value in "this" defense then Burgess would.
[/quote]

you just summed up the LB situation perfectly.

Also, Phillips is an underrated STer. He's a beast on KO. Remember that hit and FF in the Broncos game?

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1315107456' post='776391']
I cannot believe this guy made the team. He made a couple nice plays but he CAN'T tackle. What made it even harder to believe is that Harbaugh decided to cut Gooden, Burgess and Bynes in favor of this guy. I hope the coaching staff is right with this choice but I really do not like this selection.


Thoughts?
[/quote]

My sense is the coaches see these players and watch them more closely than any of us fans do. The one thing about Philips is the fact that he is always around the ball and is a football player, the kind that the Ravens like.... not the athletic beast if you will or the fastest but he has a nose for the football that cannot be coached.... so all in all I think the Ravens made the right call!

[The Raven]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1315146166' post='776546']

My sense is the coaches see these players and watch them more closely than any of us fans do. The one thing about Philips is the fact that he is always around the ball and is a football player, the kind that the Ravens like.... not the athletic beast if you will or the fastest but he has a [b]nose for the football that cannot be coached[/b].... so all in all I think the Ravens made the right call!
[/quote]

Very true, he's got good instincts, and I personally think he does well in zone coverage where he can read the plays his own. His interception was while he was on zone, he read the slant, and darted to the play. Sure, Jimmy was the one who really made the play, but Phillips put himself in the right situation. He put himself in the right spot at the right time.

[Perfekt]

I don't care for him mostly due to his uncle an the fact that he messes up more times then not. What I don't understand is that if he made the final 53 man roster then what did he make it for because Burgess is a better ST player?

[Gordo52]

They have their reasons, Philips spent his rookie year on IR. Spent the next year still recovering competing with all of our LBs. Which is hard enough with a good knee. Plus in a Greg Mattison screwed up defense. I think they might wanna see what he can do healthy and in a new more Raven style scheme. They draft players that play like a Raven. When Mattison was here he couldnt(plus he was injured) Now Pagano is bringing back that aggresive style back and Philips will have his first real shot to play well. And he already has some expierence and knows what to expect, that will help him.

[Natty Boh]

I don't have a issue with him making the team. If the Ravens find someone else they like better in the open market, he may not be on for long though.

[Corvus]

Not arguing for one guy or another here, but do you guys really think Burgess was that much better than Phillips? Have you guys really been watching every special team snap on the team last year? Was Burgess that much better covering and gunning? The reason I ask is because half the time I can't tell who is who on those plays, they seem to occur that much faster than your standard offense vs defense snaps. Plus I remember Phillips forcing a fumble on special teams last year that we recovered. Both guys were late round draftees and expected to contribute mostly on special teams, the only difference being Phillips has only played 1 year in the league (was injured in '09) while Burgess has been doing it since '07. I'm guessing the coaching staff already knew by now what Burgess was bringing to the table while Phillips may still have some more upside. Just my two cents..

[Sunday QB]

Well if the front office has their reasons please tell us. I hope the Bynes get added to the practice squad and they rotate him and Phillips, I my opinion Bynes is the better player, faster and more [font="Arial"]aggressive.[/font]

[CHRISSY G69]

Linebackers arent the best pass def selection lol

[1/28/01]

[quote name='CHRISSY G69' timestamp='1315161876' post='776718']
Linebackers arent the best pass def selection lol
[/quote]
And this has to do with Phillips specifically how? Are you saying Phillips is lacking in the coverage side of being a LB? If so, (say it) I agree. If not, then huh????

[CapoRocky]

Honestly, how many times do you think that Phillips will be on the field this year?

[Kevin Mullins]

Phillips is NECESSARY for our defense to work properly. He is a forward smashing linebacker that will be used on ST such as punt coverage and kickoff. Then he will be used in run stopping formations such as a 4-4 style alignment that would be used on a short to go situation.

I think he is neccessary on our team considering we have a lot of guys in the LB that are still "growing". Phillips is probably the best tackler of the LB except Ray and Sizzle, and maybe JJ.