James Harrison Not So Healthy

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[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1315330669' post='778923']

If you think he hasnt taken roids you are naive.
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I mean you can't just assume he took steroids. Technically he hasn't tested positive. And it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the NFL took steroids.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1315331400' post='778938']
I mean you can't just assume he took steroids. Technically he hasn't tested positive. And it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the NFL took steroids.
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I agree he has not tested positive since he has been in and it is hard to say for certain but I have never seen a million dollars but I know it exists. And as far as the majority of the NFL I agree with you most probably have or still are.

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[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1315332197' post='778956']
I agree he has not tested positive since he has been in and it is hard to say for certain but [b]I have never seen a million dollars but I know it exists. [/b]And as far as the majority of the NFL I agree with you most probably have or still are.
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That argument is just irrelevant and doesn't prove anything haha. I mean I'm not saying I disbelieve you that Harrison could have taken steroids or is on the roids because it is very possible. But your wrong to assume. Unless you know something I don't

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1315333163' post='778973']
That argument is just irrelevant and doesn't prove anything haha. I mean I'm not saying I disbelieve you that Harrison could have taken steroids or is on the roids because it is very possible. But your wrong to assume. Unless you know something I don't
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You are right it is an assumption. I can not prove one way or the other. Enter the barry bonds factor. Always a slugger but then he goes from a average sized ball player with a great swing and then he becomes the hulk hogan of baseball after 1 or 2 seasons I doubt it. Same with Mark Mcguire. Now with harrison he was always big but never as big as he was once he hit the steelers he had significant changes in body composition that is just not natural for someone his size. Lyle Alzedo was the same story.

[Pitts200]

So is this the speculation game then?? Guilty until proven innocent. These players have world class supplements available to them and top notch workout centers.

So should we say Ray Lewis is a hgh user because he endorses using antler velvet spray? Players will press the limits of what they are allowed to take based on the NFL guidelines. If you don't test positive, you are not guilty of anything.

[Doctor Who?]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1315330228' post='778915']
or your O-line obviously isn't
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they have done a better job at protecting our QB in big game situations

5 days o go

[Doctor Who?]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1315340102' post='779126']
So is this the speculation game then?? Guilty until proven innocent. These players have world class supplements available to them and top notch workout centers.

So should we say Ray Lewis is a hgh user because he endorses using antler velvet spray? Players will press the limits of what they are allowed to take based on the NFL guidelines. If you don't test positive, you are not guilty of anything.
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didnt you see, we are naive if we dont think harrison takes roids...

[Ravens Lover]

things just keep getting better and better for the Ravens

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1315340102' post='779126']
So is this the speculation game then?? Guilty until proven innocent. These players have world class supplements available to them and top notch workout centers.

So should we say Ray Lewis is a hgh user because he endorses using antler velvet spray? Players will press the limits of what they are allowed to take based on the NFL guidelines. If you don't test positive, you are not guilty of anything.
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Yes it is and he has not been caught, but the team doctor was. He had boatloads of HGH and steroids. That is one reason I say it so it is not completely baseless, I mean if the team doctor gets caught and the a guy has gone from a 28 year old practice squad player to DPOY at 30. Your saying that those two facts combined does not raise any flags for you? Maybe not but it does for me. That and he has more rage than any other player in the NFL and has shown he has a propensity to beat women.

All I'm saying is that he fits the profile to a T and when/if he is caught then we are all going to sit back and say wow how did we not know. On the field his production cant be argued so this is not to say that he is not a good player I just think he had some shady help to get him there. Just an opinion however there have been a lot of things that have happened that could point people in the direction

[ravensfan160]

I just saw a video on NFL.com where Harrison said he is about 75-80% and will be that way the entire year while he recovers from the back surgery. I like the sound of that.

[H8R]

I don't care if he's 50 percent, he's still dangerous. A shot in the back goes a long way!

[mhead66]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1315613624' post='782400']
I don't care if he's [b]50 percent[/b], he's still dangerous. A shot in the back goes a long way!
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+1

The accompanying question to this: Is McKinnie [b]100% [/b]ready - physically, and mentally (i.e., knowledge of the plays, and film study) to stop Harrison?

The matchups of Suggs vs. Jonathan Scott and Harrison vs. Bryant McKinnie could determine the winner.

[Doctor Who?]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315618103' post='782446']
+1

The accompanying question to this: Is McKinnie [b]100% [/b]ready - physically, and mentally (i.e., knowledge of the plays, and film study) to stop Harrison?

The matchups of Suggs vs. Jonathan Scott and Harrison vs. Bryant McKinnie could determine the winner.
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that could possibly be true, but the real deal breaker will be how the QBs handle it, and in the past Ben has handled it better than Flacco. Roethlisber seems to get better the more hits he takes, whereas Joe seems to get shaken up easily. I doubt that flacco would have gone out and continued to play and do just enough to win if say Hampton came through and broke his nose.

The deciding factor will be how the qbs handle the pressure, and Ben has handled it better in the past, and looks to be on fire so far.

Should be a good game tomorrow, and easily the best game of week 1, and will help us forget the defense-less battle that was on display thursday night

[mhead66]

[quote name='Doctor Who?' timestamp='1315689356' post='782983']

that could possibly be true, but the real deal breaker will be how the QBs handle it, and in the past Ben has handled it better than Flacco. Roethlisber seems to get better the more hits he takes, whereas Joe seems to get shaken up easily. I doubt that flacco would have gone out and continued to play and do just enough to win if say Hampton came through and broke his nose.

[b]The deciding factor will be how the qbs handle the pressure[/b], and Ben has handled it better in the past, and looks to be on fire so far.

Should be a good game tomorrow, and easily the best game of week 1, and will help us forget the defense-less battle that was on display thursday night
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True. I've said all week that the Ravens' pass rushers must both contain Ben and take him to the ground.

However, quite a few people have noted that Ben's major change this preseason has been to work on getting rid of the ball quicker - even if it means not allowing the longer downfield passes to develop. The Steelers' OC, Bruce Arians, has been calling many more quick slants - and Antonio Brown led the NFL this preseason in yards, because of this tendency. That means the Ravens' pass rushers must get to Roethlisberger much more quickly, and the CBs may have to play more press coverage and jam the receivers. Brown is 5'10 / 185 and Sanders 5'11 / 180 but Wallace is 6'0 and 200 lbs.

It will be interesting.

[Doctor Who?]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1315690238' post='783024']
True. I've said all week that the Ravens' pass rushers must both contain Ben and take him to the ground.

However, quite a few people have noted that Ben's major change this preseason has been to work on getting rid of the ball quicker - even if it means not allowing the longer downfield passes to develop. The Steelers' OC, Bruce Arians, has been calling many more quick slants - and Antonio Brown led the NFL this preseason in yards, because of this tendency. That means the Ravens' pass rushers must get to Roethlisberger much more quickly, and the CBs may have to play more press coverage and jam the receivers. Brown is 5'10 / 185 and Sanders 5'11 / 180 but Wallace is 6'0 and 200 lbs.

It will be interesting.
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question

has the ravens pass rush gotten better since last year? I know last year it was less than stellar so im curious if that was addressed during the off season to try and make it better. If baltimore cant get ben down, then i'm thinking its gonna be a long day for the ravens

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Doctor Who?' timestamp='1315691070' post='783048']

question

has the ravens pass rush gotten better since last year? I know last year it was less than stellar so im curious if that was addressed during the off season to try and make it better. If baltimore cant get ben down, then i'm thinking its gonna be a long day for the ravens
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Kruger has looked explosive, McPhee looks strong, Kindle is healthy and looking solid, Pollard (a la Polamalu style) off the LOS and a few others....yes

[mhead66]

[quote name='Doctor Who?' timestamp='1315691070' post='783048']

question

has the ravens pass rush gotten better since last year? I know last year it was less than stellar so im curious if that was addressed during the off season to try and make it better. If baltimore cant get ben down, then i'm thinking its gonna be a long day for the ravens
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Actually, it may have.

The reason I put "may" in there is because the Ravens have shown significant pass rush out of three players this preseason, but [b]none[/b] of the three are starting: Sergio Kindle and Paul Kruger at LOLB and Pernell McPhee at DT. Greg Mattison, last year's DC, tried Kruger at DE, and the results were less than stellar - he was too light to hold up. He's done much better at OLB, getting pressure.

Like I said, none of the three are starting, but it remains to be seen if they'll be brought in on passing downs. Cory Redding is starting (instead of McPhee) and Jarret Johnson is at LOLB, vice Kruger or Kindle. It would seem logical to substitute them on passing downs... but you know how coaches are loath to play rookies in their first NFL games, and JJ often drops into coverage.

Also, Lardarius Webb blitzed effectively from the slot CB, and Bernard Pollard from safety. Of course, neither one is starting, but both should seem some action. If I was Pittsburgh and saw Webb enter the game on a passing down, I'd expect him to blitz - he blitzed four consecutive plays vs. the 'Skins. Pollard (it's assumed) isn't as sound vs. the pass as the starter, Tom Zbikowski, so I'd make the same assumption with him.

[berad]

Pagano is also much more aggressive than Mattison. That, in itself, should help the pass-rush. Now, whether that translates to on-field improvement remains to be seen but I'm more than optimistic.

[IMissMattStover]

I might feel bad for him if not for the comment he made last year saying "I feel like I have done my job when the other player is on the ground and cant move." Thats uncalled for, and dirty pathetic cheap garbage like that is the reason why my family has three generations worth of hating the steelers.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Doctor Who?' timestamp='1315691070' post='783048']

question

has the ravens pass rush gotten better since last year? I know last year it was less than stellar so im curious if that was addressed during the off season to try and make it better. If baltimore cant get ben down, then i'm thinking its gonna be a long day for the ravens
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What they said plus we have 2 big corners and a new DC who likes to be creative with his blitzes rather than Mattison, whose idea of a blitz was "rush Jameel McClain as well". I mention the corners because they will probably allow us to blitz more effectively and not get killed by quick throws since they play on the man and not 10 yards off.


EDIT: aww. Berad beat me to it...

[IMissMattStover]

It has definitely improved. A lot of preseason emphasis has been on our defense.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Lets not forget Pagano brings the 25 to the table , in situations like redzone that is a Dangerouse one for the O, 5 LBs which is the Mike the will and as pagano calles the new one the Thumper and which are on spy / cover, interesting enough I think the 2-5 is interesting concidering we have some of the fastest LBs in our division

[IMissMattStover]

Yeah, all that said, this should be a very interesting season defensively in particular.

[Doctor Who?]

alright cool

i might be a steeler fan, but im also a fan of hard hitting defenses

[IMissMattStover]

Well then you should enjoy this game coming up They dont get much harder hitting than Ravens and steelers.

[BloodRaven]

He couldn't run across the field to chase down a QB in the Falcons game, his conditioning and strength are down. Hopefully McKinnie can take advantage and just beat him down.

[IMissMattStover]

I dont have the game on tv down here. Is Harrison playing today?

[Shammy]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1315764239' post='784648']
I dont have the game on tv down here. Is Harrison playing today?
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he got ate up didnt do anything

[IMissMattStover]

Well I found that out later. Man that was a satisfying victory. Looking at our schedule, if we show up to every game how we did Sunday, I dont think there is a single team on our schedule that can beat us.