How Does Pitsburgh Have A Better Lineup

[Gordo52]

But who has the better playmakers? Thats what decides these games

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314837006' post='772109']

so im a homer because i think the steeler is better but your not because you think the raven is better.......that doesnt make sense
if im a homer your a homer too.....but i think its so close that both sides have an honest claim

i just dont understand how you picking the raven isnt the same as what i did.......
[/quote]
Just look at the numbers and athleticism from Boldin's prime.
I'm not being a homer whatsoever.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1314839489' post='772142']

Bingo. And it wasn't against the rules because it was an unwritten rule among players. It's not something that was regularly attempted until the dishonorable one came around, and then they had to put it in the rule book to eliminate this dangerous and dishonorable way of playing. Hines could have been a great player without all of that garbage. He tarnished his name to most fans/players, obviously not Steelers.
[/quote]

what........an "unwritten rule".

what other unwritten rule's are there.......or is this the only one ever

are you talking on the level of "its not cool to run up the score". is that an "unwritten rule"

because alot of teams do that all the time.......i dont hear people say "man the patriots would have been great if they didnt run up the score" because its legal.

of all the teams..... you guys should appreciate playing at 110% and doing whatever it takes to win (within the rules)

you would love him if he was a raven....

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1314840928' post='772164']
But who has the better playmakers? Thats what decides these games
[/quote]

I don't think we can answer that yet. We have a lot of new pieces on this offense, and only time will tell if they can make plays. Defensively, it's really close. Both teams have playmakers. I give the edge to the Steelers though, their offense has a lot of potential playmakers.

[The Raven]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314842292' post='772192']

what........an "unwritten rule".

what other unwritten rule's are there.......or is this the only one ever

are you talking on the level of "its not cool to run up the score". is that an "unwritten rule"

because alot of teams do that all the time.......i dont hear people say "man the patriots would have been great if they didnt run up the score" because its legal.

of all the teams..... you guys should appreciate playing at 110% and doing whatever it takes to win (within the rules)

you would love him if he was a raven....
[/quote]

I agree, I play the game, and theirs no "unwritten rule" against crackback blocks. They are a part of the game. Always have been. From Pop Warner, to the NFL, they are a part of football. Some blocking schemes even have an emphasis on making a crackback block. (see Crack-scheme)

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1314841876' post='772183']
Just look at the numbers and athleticism from Boldin's prime.
I'm not being a homer whatsoever.
[/quote]

dont you see why that is crazy.......you have your reasons for what you believe and i have mine.

you think mine dont matter but i do.

i think yours arent the whole picture but you do.

but according to you.....your not a homer because your right and i am a homer because im wrong

under those guidlines everybody is a "homer" in somebody's eyes. which destroys the whole meaning of the word

it just means your wrong now.

[flynismo]

Why do so many people talk as if Boldin is past his prime??

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1314843291' post='772205']
Why do so many people talk as if Boldin is past his prime??
[/quote]
Yes, Id like to know the same thing!

[Blex64]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1314837793' post='772123']
First of all, for everyone who thinks that Birk is better than Pouncey they are crazy. There is no way that a person can say that a young guy who made the pro bowl last year in the prime of his career is not better than a 35 year old player who just came off knee surgery. Just no way. And your kidding yourselves for thinking that.[/quote]

Apparently Matt Ryan is now better then Aaron Rodgers because one made the Pro Bowl and is younger.

Also, Birk was the best Center in the league last season, with his bad knee. Better then Mangold and Pouncey, who were both Pro-Bowlers. Pro Bowls are vote-based, so your stance is like saying Twilight is a better movie then Inception because it got more votes at the MTV Movie Awards.

[quote]Second, there is no way that Evans is better than Wallace. No way. Evans has been inconsistent and hasn't been able to handle number one cornerbacks and beat them consistently like Wallace has. But I think that the overall receivers for the Ravens is more well rounded and is a better unit.[/quote]

Evans is a better route-runner and better after catch. He's also had significantly worse QB's then Wallace. I'm not saying Evans is better, but I think its close.

[quote]The main difference between the Ravens and Steelers is the QB. Big Ben in the past has been the difference maker, and Flacco has not been able to sustain the lead. I think Flacco plays on the level if not better than Big Ben for 3 quarters. But if our team is going to take the next level he needs to take the next step in the 4th quarter.[/quote]

He plays perfectly fine in the 4th quarter. Insert generic Titans, Steelers, and Falcons examples. Our problem closing games last season was about 99% not Flacco's fault.

[quote]Also, I think that the Steelers pass rush is better. Which hides their weakness at cb, but when they don't get that pass rush they get exposed. They really struggle against good offensive line units. The Ravens on the other hand have greatly improved at cb with Williams and Jimmy Smith so it will help our pass rush out. But if the Ravens can get some pass rush from their youth and new defensive coordinator, and our inexperienced corners mature, then it might be a real interesting discussion whose defense is better.
[/quote]

Steelers pass rush is better with Harrison healthy and fit, which he doesn't appear to be. Williams had a great preseason last year as well, but he didn't show up at all during the regular season. Maybe things will be different this year (I sure hope so) but don't count your chickens before they've hatched.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314823985' post='771946']
LE: PIT
RE: PIT
NT: PIT

i would say this but they are all close....well you kill us in FB,CB AND FS
[/quote]

No love for Ngata?

[Kwothdaraven]

Id bet serious money that jimmy smith plays better than ike taylor this year.

Also woodley is clearly better than jj. But kindle has the potential to be up there.

As far as receivers go. Boldin > whines ward. Wallace is probably a little better than lee evans. And antonio brown probably kills our 3rd guy.

[BMORElegacy]

I hate the Steelers lol
I'm a lil curious if over on their forums they are as obsessed with us as we are with them....

[Natty Boh]

Look, I bleed purple and black but the Steelers have a better team overall than the Ravens. That is just a fact. That doesn't mean that the Steelers will always beat the Ravens though or vice versa. Any given Sunday...

[jimmy.andre]

[quote name='Moderator 6' timestamp='1314823714' post='771939']
Best news I've heard all week.
[/quote]


totally agree .

[funky141]

QB: PIT
HB. BAL
FB: BAL
WR1: PIT
WR:2 WR
WR3: PIT
TE: PIT
LT:PIT
LG:BAL
C: PIT
RG:PIT
RT: BAL

Defense
CB1: PIT
CB2: PIT
CB3: BAL
FS: BAL
SS. PIT
LOLB: PIT
MIKE: BAL
WILL: PIT
ROLB: PIT
DT: BAL
LE: PIT
RE: BAL
NT: PIT

[Jamal]

I'm sorry, but JJ over Woodley made me lol uncontrollably.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314842292' post='772192']

what........an "unwritten rule".

what other unwritten rule's are there.......or is this the only one ever

are you talking on the level of "its not cool to run up the score". is that an "unwritten rule"

because alot of teams do that all the time.......i dont hear people say "man the patriots would have been great if they didnt run up the score" because its legal.

of all the teams..... you guys should appreciate playing at 110% and doing whatever it takes to win (within the rules)

you would love him if he was a raven....
[/quote]

It's an honor thing between players. Don't ask me, ask the NFL players who think he's the dirtiest by a clear margin.

[Pitts200]

What if we add in some intangibles since these ratings aren't the end all, like:

Clutch Playmaking Defense - Steelers
Clutch Playmaking Offense - Steelers

Coaching Defense - Steelers
Coaching Offense - Ravens

Least Timely Penalties - Ravens (Steelers always shoot themselves in the foot)

Offensive Team Chemistry - Steelers
Defensive Team Chemistry - Slightly to the Steelers, even though Ray and Reed bring the thunder.


These are pretty stupid categories but oh well.

[H8R]

The better team wins. So, whomever wins on September 11th is the better team. Though, Nov 6th could provide a new "Better Team".

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1314888437' post='772436']

It's an honor thing between players. Don't ask me, ask the NFL players who think he's the dirtiest by a clear margin.
[/quote]

in my opinion that was defensive players reacting to the fact that they didnt like ward being able to hit them in a way they couldnt hit offensive players

but at the time he was allowed to.......so he did

and he wasnt going to let other teams players tell him how to play......he fights with everything he has for the steelers

[AwakenTheDemon]

I love this team, but Johnson... better than Woodley? No way. Woodley is a terror, Johnson is just a strong, smart, stalwart vet. You have to account for Woodley, much more so than J.J.

[FerrariFan87]

Pitt has the clear edge at QB, which is all that's really mattered the past 3 years.

Every other position is pretty much a wash.

[scrock]

ESPN had this little blog on how old teams are, because everyone says Baltimore is getting too old well we got younger, we were like the 13th oldest team...the Steelers? Their entire defense is 30 or over...and the team ranked 2nd oldest in the league I think

Its just a misconception

[itscbm5042]

As much as I hate the Steelers they have 3 positions that they were better at than the Ravens last year and why we lost to them in the playoffs.

1. QB who improvises when plays break down
2. Their pass rush is better than ours because their LB corps is much better than ours
3. This one is over looked but the MOST important factor. They have a much better coaching staff. I despise Tomlin and Arians but they are so much better than Harbs and Mattison in 2010. The Steelers beat us not only because of their talent, but because their coaching staff knows how to use what they have.

Now, that was 2010. I think the Ravens are more suited in 2011 to get over that ugly mis shapen hump that is pittsburgh. Better WR corps with field stretching ability, improved OL (hopefully) to better protect Joe. a fantastic blocking FB to help in the run game and pass protection, and a much bigger, more physical secondary. They still don't have the right pass rush to bring down worthlessberger and that concerns me, but our offense should be able to protect Joe long enough to exploit their piss poor secondary. That could be the difference this season.

[ravensfan...mostly lewis]

This whole system of which position is stronger than the other does not equate to who has the better team. It doesn't take into account the fact that there are greater levels of skill. we could have 11 better players that are sliightly better and they could have one amazing player that makes all the difference.

so whether we have 8 stronger positions or if they do, it doesn't matter.

[PurpleReign92]

We are pretty dead even in-terms of match-up. The only real difference is average age of there team is a lot higher then ours. We have a lot more younger talent that may make mistakes on field. While there team with veteran leadership make less mistakes.

[codizzle]

They are who we think they are...

And thats second best

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1314902206' post='772616']
They are who we think they are...

And thats second best
[/quote]
Yea, but I want there fans to feel that way about there team...
That they are second best to us!!!!!

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1314889876' post='772442']
What if we add in some intangibles since these ratings aren't the end all, like:

Clutch Playmaking Defense - Steelers
Clutch Playmaking Offense - Steelers

Coaching Defense - Steelers
Coaching Offense - Ravens

Least Timely Penalties - Ravens (Steelers always shoot themselves in the foot)

Offensive Team Chemistry - Steelers
Defensive Team Chemistry - Slightly to the Steelers, even though Ray and Reed bring the thunder.


These are pretty stupid categories but oh well.
[/quote]

What's so good about our offensive coaching?

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1314909364' post='772744']

What's so good about our offensive coaching?
[/quote]

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing lol... no way we "win" that category.