How Does Pitsburgh Have A Better Lineup

[scrock]

The only area the Steelers are better tan us at is in their ability to rush the passer, we only have Suggs....they have two guys that can do that maybe 3,

This year though we have some young guys starting to step up and we should be able to create havoc just the same...

The Steelers arent perfect, dont look up to them...we are the Baltimore Ravens, other teams fear facing us, who cares about the Steelers, we will beat them just the same

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314828420' post='772005']

thats because boldin was in a pass first offense and started out of the gate as a starter.

also ward in his prime wasnt just an automatic first down but he also blocked so well they had to change the rules to stop him

the steelers arent designed to give their WR's big stats especially under cowher.

and for the first half of his career he had so-so QB's
[/quote]

You mean they had to change the rules to stop him from blind siding players and showing absolutely no integrity? I guess it was inevitable that a player would come along who would cause the rule change, but it's certainly not something to be proud of. He's so dishonorable that they had to enforce something that went without saying for years. It shouldn't be your goal, as an offensive player, to seek out defensive players that aren't looking and crack back block. Shove them down, sure, but don't launch your helmet/shoulder area into their head. I'll always view Hines as the dirtiest, and so do other NFL players.

[colljb9]

Haloti Ngata might be the best NT in the nfl so im gonna have to say the ravens take the battle at nose tackle. A couple other ones are a little controversial but id say your pretty close. The reason pittsburgh has a better lineup is because, as much as i hate to say it, frankly they get it done year in and year out as we fall 7 points short every year. On paper, yes i believe the ravens do actually have the better lineup, but in reality until we get it done pittsburgh will have the better lineup. With that said i have a very good feeling about this year, especially with our new pass rushers facing an average at best pittsburgh offensive line.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1314829629' post='772027']

Ok honestly you have a legitimate point but kurt didnt get to the cards until 2005 or at least start. Before that 2 out of 3 seasons Q had freakin Jake plummer throwin to him and that was when he was the number 1 receiver in that offense. I think both have had their fair share of time under a good QB and Boldin is not even 2,000 yards behind ward , a little over 200 receptions away, and less than 30 TD's behind and has played for 5 less years.
[/quote]

ill give you that numbers wise boldin gets the nod......and i also give you that boldin is fantastic

and i might agree with you after thinking about it that boldin gets the edge now...even though its close

but Q was in a much different offensive system where the pass was king.....and hines was in an offense where blocking was as important as catching passes.......so hines numbers considering he was such a good blocker on a run first team are really good

so even though i dont think theres really a wrong answer here since there are great arguements for both i would go with ward

[Ravensfan23]

Is it Steelers Week yet?

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1314830284' post='772038']

You mean they had to change the rules to stop him from blind siding players and showing absolutely no integrity? I guess it was inevitable that a player would come along who would cause the rule change, but it's certainly not something to be proud of. He's so dishonorable that they had to enforce something that went without saying for years. It shouldn't be your goal, as an offensive player, to seek out defensive players that aren't looking and crack back block. Shove them down, sure, but don't launch your helmet/shoulder area into their head. I'll always view Hines as the dirtiest, and so do other NFL players.
[/quote]

ravens fans and steelers fans have been having this arguement for years..........we both know what ill say and how you will respond so lets agree to disagree

by the way hines ward is my 2nd favorite steeler.....i have four 86 jerseys

[hawkprey]

When Ravens fans look at OLB they're thinking of rushing the passer since that's been our weakness, but JJ excells in other areas. He might not be as good as Woodley but it's pretty close IMO.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314830313' post='772041']

ill give you that numbers wise boldin gets the nod......and i also give you that boldin is fantastic

and i might agree with you after thinking about it that boldin gets the edge now...even though its close

but Q was in a much different offensive system where the pass was king.....and hines was in an offense where blocking was as important as catching passes.......so hines numbers considering he was such a good blocker on a run first team are really good

so even though i dont think theres really a wrong answer here since there are great arguements for both i would go with ward
[/quote]

your points about the running are definitely true but they way I look at it is had both been in the same system their number would probably be comparable through the first 9 years of each career. I hate doing it but in toss up I usually go with measurable so that is where boldin gets the edge.

That is the only way I could pick a winner. And as of now Q is not one of my top 5 Raven's......yet

[Rugger92]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1314827252' post='771990']


Oh I get it so what you are saying is Bryan Mattison is better than Nick Mangold because they have never faced went one on one in...... whatever 2 centers would go one on one in.

Yeah that makes sense.....
[/quote]
No maybe matching positions on paper wouldnt work out like it does in the game. Where you got Nick Manigold from is beyond me.
Matt Birk plays against Casey Hampton, just as Pouncey plays against Cody and Ngata. No matter how you try to match a team position by position it just wont add up. IE The Colts, You can match up whatever you want on that team to another but Peyton Manning is their QB and that cant be accounted for.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1314831235' post='772051']

your points about the running are definitely true but they way I look at it is had both been in the same system their number would probably be comparable through the first 9 years of each career. I hate doing it but in toss up I usually go with measurable so that is where boldin gets the edge.

That is the only way I could pick a winner. And as of now Q is not one of my top 5 Raven's......yet
[/quote]

i fault none of your logic.......i would probably agree if i didnt love ward so much lol

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314830562' post='772043']

ravens fans and steelers fans have been having this arguement for years..........we both know what ill say and how you will respond so lets agree to disagree

by the way hines ward is my 2nd favorite steeler.....i have four 86 jerseys
[/quote]

That's true but...we win because it isn't only Ravens' fans who say it. In fact, it isn't only fans. It is also the players.

I debate this with my Steeler fan BF every season. Ward still takes those cheap shots on occasion as well.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314830562' post='772043']

ravens fans and steelers fans have been having this arguement for years..........we both know what ill say and how you will respond so lets agree to disagree

by the way hines ward is my 2nd favorite steeler.....i have four 86 jerseys
[/quote]

Who is your first favorite steeler because if it is post 1980 I question how big of a steeler's fan you are. lol not really but the 70's steelers built who the steeler's are

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Rugger92' timestamp='1314831291' post='772052']
No maybe matching positions on paper wouldnt work out like it does in the game. Where you got Nick Manigold from is beyond me.
Matt Birk plays against Casey Hampton, just as Pouncey plays against Cody and Ngata. No matter how you try to match a team position by position it just wont add up. IE The Colts, You can match up whatever you want on that team to another but Peyton Manning is their QB and that cant be accounted for.
[/quote]

You said they never face each other, ok yeah they both play the same position so I thought that was obvious. you said until they play each other you cant really say one is better than the other. That logic is seriously flawed.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1314831609' post='772058']

That's true but...we win because it isn't only Ravens' fans who say it. In fact, it isn't only fans. It is also the players.

I debate this with my Steeler fan BF every season. Ward still takes those cheap shots on occasion as well.
[/quote]

ill say this........he never hit people to hurt them or for no reason

his philosophy was put your head on a swivel........if your in a position to possibly hit my guy im going to hit you....i dont care if your looking or not

and at the time it wasnt against the rules. and he was going to do everything within the rules to win

i love that

[wayne]

No way JJ is even remotely close to Woodley. Only place we have them beat on the D-line is with Ngata but with the up and coming of our young guys, we defintely can overtake the Steelers for best D-line. Taylor definitely gets the nod over all of our CBs right now until proven other wise. I love Suggs but a healthy former DPOY in Harrison wins this battle. Miller wins the TE battle but overall we win. WRs can be a toss up but I would edge out the Steelers maybe in the battle.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1314831709' post='772059']

Who is your first favorite steeler because if it is post 1980 I question how big of a steeler's fan you are. lol not really but the 70's steelers built who the steeler's are
[/quote]

im talking current steeler.........if we are talking all time

its a toss up between bettis and franco

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1314831949' post='772064']
No way JJ is even remotely close to Woodley. Only place we have them beat on the D-line is with Ngata but with the up and coming of our young guys, we defintely can overtake the Steelers for best D-line. Taylor definitely gets the nod over all of our CBs right now until proven other wise. I love Suggs but a healthy former DPOY in Harrison wins this battle. Miller wins the TE battle but overall we win. WRs can be a toss up but I would edge out the Steelers maybe in the battle.
[/quote]

So pretty much what you are saying is the Ravens have to show and prove.

To be the best you gotta be the best.

I like it my man.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314831990' post='772065']

im talking current steeler.........if we are talking all time

its a toss up between bettis and franco
[/quote]

Ha no Mel blount, I still think that dude is one of the greatest at that position ot ever play. He could cover and if you did catch it he was going to kill you for it.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1314832343' post='772069']

Ha no Mel blount, I still think that dude is one of the greatest at that position ot ever play. He could cover and if you did catch it he was going to kill you for it.
[/quote]

mel blount was great but there are alot of steelers that i love but only one can be my favorite

the list goes:

bettis
franco
troy
swann
hines
blount
green
Big Ben

thats my top 8

[BloodRaven]

Steelers backup OLB has more sacks than JJ.

[Ravens Beast]

As soon as Steelers Prophet268 said Ward was better in his prime than Boldin, I stopped reading.

WR 1- Pitt
WR 2- Bal
WR 3- Pitt


I'd take Evans over Ward.
Wallace over Boldin (younger and faster)
Our #3 is just unproven so who knows about that one.

I believe that was majorly less homer-like than Steelers Prophet.

[PSU RAVEN]

Need to do a offense to defense match up.

How does the Ravens LT LG C RG RT match up against the steelers DE DT NT DT DE. Sorry but thus far in the preseason I am not liking what I have been seeing.

There is still hope , I guess McKinnie could call Valerie Bertonelli and go on the Slim fast diet to lose 50 lbs within the next 2 weeks

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1314835766' post='772095']
As soon as Steelers Prophet268 said Ward was better in his prime than Boldin, I stopped reading.

WR 1- Pitt
WR 2- Bal
WR 3- Pitt


I'd take Evans over Ward.
Wallace over Boldin (younger and faster)
Our #3 is just unproven so who knows about that one.

I believe that was majorly less homer-like than Steelers Prophet.
[/quote]

so im a homer because i think the steeler is better but your not because you think the raven is better.......that doesnt make sense
if im a homer your a homer too.....but i think its so close that both sides have an honest claim

i just dont understand how you picking the raven isnt the same as what i did.......

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1314835766' post='772095']
As soon as Steelers Prophet268 said Ward was better in his prime than Boldin, I stopped reading.

WR 1- Pitt
WR 2- Bal
WR 3- Pitt


I'd take Evans over Ward.
Wallace over Boldin (younger and faster)
Our #3 is just unproven so who knows about that one.

I believe that was majorly less homer-like than Steelers Prophet.
[/quote]

Wallace and Evans match up more as the same type of WR. As do Boldin and Ward.

I'd take Boldin over Ward.
Eh...hard on Wallace and Evans. I think I'd take Evans right now because of experience and I believe tougher after the hit.

[Andrew Glass]

You left the fact out there play calling is usually nuts. I love offenses that runs those stack WR sets. Works so well in todays NFL

[lowrider]

First of all, for everyone who thinks that Birk is better than Pouncey they are crazy. There is no way that a person can say that a young guy who made the pro bowl last year in the prime of his career is not better than a 35 year old player who just came off knee surgery. Just no way. And your kidding yourselves for thinking that.

Second, there is no way that Evans is better than Wallace. No way. Evans has been inconsistent and hasn't been able to handle number one cornerbacks and beat them consistently like Wallace has. But I think that the overall receivers for the Ravens is more well rounded and is a better unit.

The main difference between the Ravens and Steelers is the QB. Big Ben in the past has been the difference maker, and Flacco has not been able to sustain the lead. I think Flacco plays on the level if not better than Big Ben for 3 quarters. But if our team is going to take the next level he needs to take the next step in the 4th quarter.

Also, I think that the Steelers pass rush is better. Which hides their weakness at cb, but when they don't get that pass rush they get exposed. They really struggle against good offensive line units. The Ravens on the other hand have greatly improved at cb with Williams and Jimmy Smith so it will help our pass rush out. But if the Ravens can get some pass rush from their youth and new defensive coordinator, and our inexperienced corners mature, then it might be a real interesting discussion whose defense is better.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1314831609' post='772058']

That's true but...we win because it isn't only Ravens' fans who say it. In fact, it isn't only fans. It is also the players.

I debate this with my Steeler fan BF every season. Ward still takes those cheap shots on occasion as well.
[/quote]

Bingo. And it wasn't against the rules because it was an unwritten rule among players. It's not something that was regularly attempted until the dishonorable one came around, and then they had to put it in the rule book to eliminate this dangerous and dishonorable way of playing. Hines could have been a great player without all of that garbage. He tarnished his name to most fans/players, obviously not Steelers.

[POE]

Wallace is too one dimensional IMHO. Evans is known for his speed but runs very crisp routes and often finds the hole in the defense. Ward is still a very good receiver but he often relies on Ben's ability to stretch the play in order to catch the defense off balance. Boldin runs very good routes, has great hands, and his run after catch ability is in the top of the league. Their 3rd WR looks like it will be an advantage to them though unless Smith, Doss, or Reed decide to show up and become playmakers this season.

[POE]

Birk in his prime was one of the best centers in the game but I feel he may be on the decline, and their center Pouncey had a great season last year and is on the rise to be even better.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='POE' timestamp='1314839855' post='772150']
Birk in his prime was one of the best centers in the game but I feel he may be on the decline, and their center Pouncey had a great season last year and is on the rise to be even better.
[/quote]
Which is why we either take a center or a MLB in the first round of next years draft.