How Does Pitsburgh Have A Better Lineup

[SecretAgentMan]

just look at the matchups

QB: PIT
HB. BAL
FB: BAL
WR1: BAL
WR:2 PIT
WR3: PIT
TE: BAL- Dickson is young
LT:BAL
LG:BAL
C:PIT
RG:BAL
RT: BAL


Defense

CB1: BAL
CB2: BAL
CB3: BAL
FS: BAL
SS. PIT
LOLB: BAL
MIKE: BAL
WILL: PIT
ROLB: BAL (as good as Woodley is, JJ is stronger, and smarter)
DT BAL
LE PIT
RE PIT
NT PIT

on paper we could kick there @$$ easy beating us out only in 8 posistions.

[Purple Punishment]

JJ is not the OLB that Woodley is for sure. I would give PIT the edge at TE with Heath Miller just because our TEs havent shown anything to show different....yet.

[berad]

Not sure Dickson is better than Miller and Taylor [i]might [/i]be better than our top CB - depending on who it is, plus the CB position is so fluid. Woodley is definitely better than Johnson. McKinnie is an unknown so I can't say he's any better than what Pitt has.

[s]I think Pollard could turn out to be better than Clark, much too early to say though - he hasn't even been declared the starter yet.[/s] If they even played the same position [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/34853_doh.GIF[/img] d'oh!

All in all, they're two equally-matched teams. That's why the games are so competitive and the rivalry is so fierce. We could beat them "on paper", as you said, but the game isn't played on paper.

[Blex64]

Pouncey is not better then Birk.

Then again, JJ isn't better then Woodley.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1314822320' post='771916']JJ is not the OLB that Woodley is for sure. I would give PIT the edge at TE with Heath Miller just because our TEs havent shown anything to show different....yet.[/quote]Yep. Id take Woodley over JJ in a heartbeat.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1314821979' post='771914']
just look at the matchups

QB: PIT
HB. BAL
FB: BAL
WR1: BAL
WR:2 PIT
WR3: PIT
TE: BAL- Dickson is young
LT:BAL
LG:BAL
C:PIT
RG:BAL
RT: BAL


Defense

CB1: BAL
CB2: BAL
CB3: BAL
FS: BAL
SS. PIT
LOLB: BAL
MIKE: BAL
WILL: PIT
ROLB: BAL (as good as Woodley is, JJ is stronger, and smarter)
DT BAL
LE PIT
RE PIT
NT PIT

on paper we could kick there @$$ easy beating us out only in 8 posistions.
[/quote]

I think we have a homer! I agree that our roster is just as talented if not a little more so, but its really really close, and Pitt has a clear advantage at QB and WR. I wouldn't say we are significantly better at any position.

[20ravens52]

QB: PIT
HB. BAL
FB: BAL
WR1: BAL
WR:2 PIT
WR3: PIT
TE: PIT
LT:BAL
LG:BAL
C:BAL
RG:BAL
RT: BAL

Defense
CB1: PIT
CB2: BAL
CB3: BAL
FS: BAL
SS. PIT
LOLB: PIT
MIKE: BAL
WILL: PIT
ROLB: BAL right now (Harrison coming off Back surgery, and apparently out of shape)
DT: BAL
LE: PIT
RE: BAL
NT: PIT

I'd say thats a little more accurate...

[PuRock]

[quote name='20ravens52' timestamp='1314823239' post='771933']
ROLB: BAL right now (Harrison coming off Back surgery, and apparently out of shape)
[/quote]

I just saw that on rotowire.

[quote][indent=1]Teammates noticed Steelers OLB James Harrison appearing noticeably fatigued during Pittsburgh's third preseason game last week.
[/indent][indent=1][color=#0000FF][size=3]"He's looking like he was tired out there," said James Farrior of a lumbering Harrison, returning from double offseason back surgeries. "He's not where he wants to be," confirmed LBs coach Keith Butler. Said Harrison, "I anticipate playing and eventually, yeah, I'll get to full strength. But, when that will be, I don't know." It sounds like Harrison is going to start the year slowly.[/size][/color]
[color=#0000FF][size=3][/quote][/size][/color]
[/indent]

[Guest Moderator 6]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1314823431' post='771935']
I just saw that on rotowire.
[/quote]
Best news I've heard all week.

[Pitts200]

As for the Harrison topic, we know this is a league where players/coaches want to give as little info away as possible. So for a LB coach and a fellow player to say Harrison is out of shape sounds a little like a ploy, I can't imagine they would ever divulge additional information unless by gunpoint.

Perhaps Harrison isn't in the best shape he's ever been but I'm betting he'll have plenty in the tank come regular season.

[20ravens52]

[quote name='Moderator 6' timestamp='1314823714' post='771939']
Best news I've heard all week.
[/quote]

That's terrible...(sarcasm)

[SteelersProphet]

QB: PIT
HB. BAL
FB: BAL
WR1: PIT
WR:2 PIT
WR3: PIT
TE: PIT
LT:BAL
LG:BAL
C:PIT
RG:BAL
RT: BAL

Defense
CB1: BAL
CB2: BAL
CB3: BAL
FS: BAL
SS. PIT
LOLB: PIT
MIKE: BAL
WILL: PIT
ROLB: PIT
DT: BAL
LE: PIT
RE: PIT
NT: PIT

i would say this but they are all close....well you kill us in FB,CB AND FS

[gregreid5]

Jarrett Johnson is better than Lamar Woodley? WOW

[Pitts200]

Has anyone seen the size of Woodleys arms, it looks like an average man's thigh!

[Alexir]

@Prophet.

What is the depth chart of your WR1,WR2,WR3?

and what do you have as our WR1, WR2, WR3?

Just curious.

ESPN has Ravens WR1 as Evans, WR2 as Boldin and WR3 as David Reed.

Steelers WR1 being Ward, WR2 being Wallace, WR3 being Sanders.

Just don't see Steelers getting the sweep there. I would put Evans or Boldin (going off of different depth charts of who our number 1 is) over Ward but I think Wallace and Sanders beat out whoever our 2 and 3 would be in any depth chart.

Some places have Boldin as 1, some have Lee.

[jus'_crAzy]

Still can't win games on paper.

[flynismo]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314823985' post='771946']
QB: PIT
HB. BAL
FB: BAL
WR1: PIT
WR:2 PIT
WR3: PIT
TE: PIT
LT:BAL
LG:BAL
C:PIT
RG:BAL
RT: BAL

Defense
CB1: BAL
CB2: BAL
CB3: BAL
FS: BAL
SS. PIT
LOLB: PIT
MIKE: BAL
WILL: PIT
ROLB: PIT
DT: BAL
LE: PIT
RE: PIT
NT: PIT

i would say this but they are all close....well you kill us in FB,CB AND FS
[/quote]


Yeah, I think the only positions where either team has a noticeable advantage is us at FS, DT, RT and OG, and PIT at SS. Everything else is very close.

But it really doesn't matter; no one wants to be the paper champs *ahem* Iggles *ahem*

[20ravens52]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1314824246' post='771950']
Has anyone seen the size of Woodleys arms, it looks like an average man's thigh!
[/quote]


Hes doesn't have much definition though, he always has looked kind of flabby to me and probably especially so after that contract he got.

He ain't no Ray Lewis or James Harrison

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

I think right now Ike Taylor beats out any CB on our roster, now he is old and 2 of our "apparent starters" are very young, the old man being fox. As far as linebacker pit gets the sweep except for Ray. I was tempted to say Suggs because of coverage skills but I am not sure Harrison is a slouch their either considering he had that huge play in the SB a few years back. We sweep the line except for C. We sweep the DL in my opinion however iit is hard because Kiesel and hampton are good and it is depending on where Haloti lines up.
FS us SS them. QB the rings do count here because he was instrumental in 1 of those wins. TE I really like Dickson and think he will be clearly better at the end of the season but day 1 have to go with miller. WR their deep threat beats ours, our possession guy beats theirs, and honestly day one slot guy goes to them 2 but if Torrey can catch it is up in the air if not I think doss will be enough to give us the edge their too or david reed.

[Rugger92]

The problem I have with this is "Our center is better than theirs so we win that"... last time I checked Matt Birk didnt squard up with Pouncey. Its a matter of match ups and executions of those matchups.

[Free Agent]

Maybe James Harrison should have kept in shape during the lockout instead of running his mouth... [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/toilet.gif[/img]

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Rugger92' timestamp='1314826713' post='771981']
The problem I have with this is "Our center is better than theirs so we win that"... last time I checked Matt Birk didnt squard up with Pouncey. Its a matter of match ups and executions of those matchups.
[/quote]


Oh I get it so what you are saying is Bryan Mattison is better than Nick Mangold because they have never faced went one on one in...... whatever 2 centers would go one on one in.

Yeah that makes sense.....

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1314824356' post='771953']
@Prophet.

What is the depth chart of your WR1,WR2,WR3?

and what do you have as our WR1, WR2, WR3?

Just curious.

ESPN has Ravens WR1 as Evans, WR2 as Boldin and WR3 as David Reed.

Steelers WR1 being Ward, WR2 being Wallace, WR3 being Sanders.

Just don't see Steelers getting the sweep there. I would put Evans or Boldin (going off of different depth charts of who our number 1 is) over Ward but I think Wallace and Sanders beat out whoever our 2 and 3 would be in any depth chart.

Some places have Boldin as 1, some have Lee.
[/quote]

i would say our number one is wallace for the first year, ward then would be number two

and then i hope brown, so thats who i have at three but it could be sanders

and the matchup i wasnt sure about was ward versus boldin....now in their primes its ward hands down

but ward is older but suprisingly still very effective......since im a steelers fan ward wins on ties so i said ward lol

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314827810' post='771997']

i would say our number one is wallace for the first year, ward then would be number two

and then i hope brown, so thats who i have at three but it could be sanders

and the matchup i wasnt sure about was ward versus boldin...[b].now in their primes its ward hands down[/b]

but ward is older but suprisingly still very effective......since im a steelers fan ward wins on ties so i said ward lol
[/quote]

That is not even close man, when boldin was in his prime he was setting records with how fast he racking up receptions. Ward was good but Boldin was a phenom he was the fastest to catch 4,5 and 600 balls. most of the other stuff you said I can agree with but Ward over Boldin in their prime I think is a losing battle for Ward.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1314828078' post='771999']

That is not even close man, when boldin was in his prime he was setting records with how fast he racking up receptions. Ward was good but Boldin was a phenom he was the fastest to catch 4,5 and 600 balls. most of the other stuff you said I can agree with but Ward over Boldin in their prime I think is a losing battle for Ward.
[/quote]

thats because boldin was in a pass first offense and started out of the gate as a starter.

also ward in his prime wasnt just an automatic first down but he also blocked so well they had to change the rules to stop him

the steelers arent designed to give their WR's big stats especially under cowher.

and for the first half of his career he had so-so QB's

[SecretAgentMan]

Look this is how I see it
Boldin (who is still in his prime) is better than Ward
Evans is beat out by Wallace
Sanders is beats D. Reed, but Reed could be better
Brown beats Smith, but Torrey could be better

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1314828710' post='772011']
Look this is how I see it
Boldin (who is still in his prime) is better than Ward
Evans is beat out by Wallace
Sanders is beats D. Reed, but Reed could be better
Brown beats Smith, but Torrey could be better
[/quote]

i can agree with that........but i think ward vs boldin is real close

[SecretAgentMan]

If Mckinie is a middle of the road tackle, (he is much better than that) than Rice could get 1,600 yards on the ground, and Flacco could throw for over 4,000 yards. It all depends on Mckinie.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314828882' post='772014']

i can agree with that........but i think ward vs boldin is real close
[/quote]
Ward always seems to come up with a clutch catch, but right now Q is a much better WR than Ward. In their prime its a bit of a toss-up.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1314828420' post='772005']

thats because boldin was in a pass first offense and started out of the gate as a starter.

also ward in his prime wasnt just an automatic first down but he also blocked so well they had to change the rules to stop him

the steelers arent designed to give their WR's big stats especially under cowher.

and for the first half of his career he had so-so QB's
[/quote]

Ok honestly you have a legitimate point but kurt didnt get to the cards until 2005 or at least start. Before that 2 out of 3 seasons Q had freakin Jake plummer throwin to him and that was when he was the number 1 receiver in that offense. I think both have had their fair share of time under a good QB and Boldin is not even 2,000 yards behind ward , a little over 200 receptions away, and less than 30 TD's behind and has played for 5 less years.