WR Depth Chart

[AsianRice]

omg, Torrey's hands are shrinking...lol

Boldin, Evans, Reed, Doss, Williams, and Smith, not really different than others' lists.

I say if Torrey didn't show what he's made of during the PS games, I don't know when can he show his potential when Reed and Doss who outplay him are seeing more looks than him during regular season.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314386235' post='767699']

Boldin
Evans
David Reed
Tandon Doss
Brandon Jones
Torrey Smith/LaQuan Williams
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I don't see Jones making the team. Came in as a camp body, he did a few things here and there, but he's not done enough to make many people take notice. Especially with LaQuan coming out of left field. Doss, Reed, and Smith are all safe, Williams and Jones would be on the bubble, and I'd say Williams has blown by Jones on the race to a roster spot.

[scrock]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1314386250' post='767700']
Ozzie and Decosta were insane for blowing their 2nd rounder on Smith. He was barley a 4th rounder if that. Everyone knew he was going to be a bust. This whole maryland hometown thing is a joke. They could have grabbed a Tackle, Corner, or DE that has a chance to start/play right away.

Doss and Williams have both outshone smith. When a 4th rounder and a UDFA are blowing your spot up, it means something. He dropped passes that were right in the numbers and on crucial 3rd downs. Hope you enjoy your contract beacuse its going to be your last.
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still to early to call him a bust, he was not a finished product, watch Joe Flacco's interview after the game he tells u what Torrey needs to do....relax, Torreys wants to do well and he's too tight in games..and supposedly his head is swimming

[scrock]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314386372' post='767705']

I don't see Jones making the team. Came in as a camp body, he did a few things here and there, but he's not done enough to make many people take notice. Especially with LaQuan coming out of left field. Doss, Reed, and Smith are all safe, Williams and Jones would be on the bubble, and I'd say Williams has blown by Jones on the race to a roster spot.
[/quote]

idk, Brandon Jones has performed in the NFL before, he has caught balls, he caught a TD last night and Harbaugh mentioned him in his interview after the game...I think he has a shot

[bscott57]

People in Bmore are way too scared of the word "bust" - it is never too early to call anyone a bust. Whether or not they live up to that tag is TBD but if you are a 1st or 2nd Rd pick you will always run the risk of having that word accompany your name no matter what stage of your career you are in.

Torrey Smith is terrible, in my opinion he has 1 more week to prove he is not a bust or else he will be a bust - if he keeps playing the way he has in the last 3 weeks I do not see anyway he gets any PT during the season with the way Doss and Reed have played. I will be very upset if the first 3 wideout set we see vs Steelers includes Smith.

Agree with all the posts on Harper though, guy must go. Like what I see from Williams also, can contribute on SP and O if we need him. Dont see us keeping more than 6 on the active roster and unfortunately one of those spots will be GIVEN to Smith.

Boldin
Evans
Tandon Doss
David Reed
LaQuan Williams
Torrey Smith

[FerrariFan87]

It's a shame that James Hardy couldn't get healthy and show us what he's got... could have been a red zone weapon.

[scrock]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1314392721' post='767922']
People in Bmore are way too scared of the word "bust" -[b] it is never too early to call anyone a bust.[/b] Whether or not they live up to that tag is TBD but if you are a 1st or 2nd Rd pick you will always run the risk of having that word accompany your name no matter what stage of your career you are in.

Torrey Smith is terrible, in my opinion he has 1 more week to prove he is not a bust or else he will be a bust - if he keeps playing the way he has in the last 3 weeks I do not see anyway he gets any PT during the season with the way Doss and Reed have played. I will be very upset if the first 3 wideout set we see vs Steelers includes Smith.

Agree with all the posts on Harper though, guy must go. Like what I see from Williams also, can contribute on SP and O if we need him. Dont see us keeping more than 6 on the active roster and unfortunately one of those spots will be GIVEN to Smith.

Boldin
Evans
Tandon Doss
David Reed
LaQuan Williams
Torrey Smith
[/quote]

?? Yes it is, you wouldnt call someone a bust after 1 practice, Torrey Smith needs work yes, but after 3 preseason games he is not a bust, he just needs to CATCH the ball

it is WAY too early to be using the B word

[ravensfan2424]

Idc who else makes the team at WR, but Laquan Williams has been awesome in the preseason. I think he's earned a role on the team.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1314330717' post='766512']
1.Boldin
2.Evans
3.Doss
4.Reed
5.L.Williams
6.J.Harper
7.Smith

Ive said it before this game and i will say it again, Torrey Smith is a bust. You guys can keep calling me crazy if u want but im tired of Torrey getting the benefit of the doubt. Tandon Doss who was drafted in the 4th rd, has had the same amount of time ( next to none ) to prepare as Smith has. No need to say who looks way better between the two. You dont develop your hands after you've made it to the NFL. Catching is catching, either you can catch or you cant. Point blank. SMith has hands of stone. He probably looks like this when the ball comes his way[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/bitenails.gif[/img]
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i ll have to agree with you on that, Also im a really big fan of L. Williams , he is always impressing me. Can you imagine if our oline gets better how dangerous our Offense will be, itll be like the Rams in the late 90s,early 00s

[PeRK82]

[quote name='ravensfan2424' timestamp='1314393440' post='767938']
Idc who else makes the team at WR, but Laquan Williams has been awesome in the preseason. I think he's earned a role on the team.
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agreed, and if he gets cut, i will be outraged. We have a problem that is actually good. We have 6 Great receivers.(T.Smith is still up in the air)

I dont think we ever had such great depth for WRers in the history of the RAVENS.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1314386372' post='767705']

I don't see Jones making the team. Came in as a camp body, he did a few things here and there, but he's not done enough to make many people take notice. Especially with LaQuan coming out of left field. Doss, Reed, and Smith are all safe, Williams and Jones would be on the bubble, and I'd say Williams has blown by Jones on the race to a roster spot.
[/quote]


Huh Williams on the Bubble, to me , they have to put him in the line up. L. Williams impresses me every game and hes getting better. Hell he can be our returner, but imo he needs to be in a couple of plays honestly, he has great awareness, speed, hands. To me he is a natural.
The crazy thing is , he was undrafted, thats mind blowing.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1314392721' post='767922']
People in Bmore are way too scared of the word "bust" - it is never too early to call anyone a bust. Whether or not they live up to that tag is TBD but if you are a 1st or 2nd Rd pick you will always run the risk of having that word accompany your name no matter what stage of your career you are in.

Torrey Smith is terrible, in my opinion he has 1 more week to prove he is not a bust or else he will be a bust - if he keeps playing the way he has in the last 3 weeks I do not see anyway he gets any PT during the season with the way Doss and Reed have played. I will be very upset if the first 3 wideout set we see vs Steelers includes Smith.

Agree with all the posts on Harper though, guy must go. Like what I see from Williams also, can contribute on SP and O if we need him. Dont see us keeping more than 6 on the active roster and unfortunately one of those spots will be GIVEN to Smith.

Boldin
Evans
Tandon Doss
David Reed
LaQuan Williams
Torrey Smith
[/quote]
So you're saying Torrey Smith will be a bust if he doesn't play well next game? So if he doesn't play well after 4 PRESEASON games in a season when the preseason was shortened by a LOCKOUT that this guy is a bust? You're crazy. It takes at least 2 years to really determine if someone is a bust.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1314392721' post='767922']
People in Bmore are way too scared of the word "bust" - it is never too early to call anyone a bust. Whether or not they live up to that tag is TBD but if you are a 1st or 2nd Rd pick you will always run the risk of having that word accompany your name no matter what stage of your career you are in.

Torrey Smith is terrible, in my opinion he has 1 more week to prove he is not a bust or else he will be a bust - if he keeps playing the way he has in the last 3 weeks I do not see anyway he gets any PT during the season with the way Doss and Reed have played. I will be very upset if the first 3 wideout set we see vs Steelers includes Smith.

Agree with all the posts on Harper though, guy must go. Like what I see from Williams also, can contribute on SP and O if we need him. Dont see us keeping more than 6 on the active roster and unfortunately one of those spots will be GIVEN to Smith.

Boldin
Evans
Tandon Doss
David Reed
LaQuan Williams
Torrey Smith
[/quote]

Sure, you can call Torrey a bust after three preseason games. You'd just look like an idiot if he turns out to be a good player. As long as you're willing to take that risk go ahead. Torrey's part of our team, like it or not, so I'd rather not judge a player as a failure after three meaningless exhibition games. I'd feel accountable if I bashed a player as terrible before he even took the field for a game and he turned out to be a great contributor in the future.

[Alexir]

Torrey's hands aren't the problem, it's his mind. He is thinking of what to do next when he gets the ball BEFORE he does the most important part....catching it. I'm not worried about him, he will be great for us.

[bscott57]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1314395357' post='767973']

Sure, you can call Torrey a bust after three preseason games. You'd just look like an idiot if he turns out to be a good player. As long as you're willing to take that risk go ahead. Torrey's part of our team, like it or not, so I'd rather not judge a player as a failure after three meaningless exhibition games. I'd feel accountable if I bashed a player as terrible before he even took the field for a game and he turned out to be a great contributor in the future.
[/quote]

So you are saying if he plays the way he has in the first 3 weeks he will get PT come Wk 1? That is my point, if he doesnt play well in the next game there is no way he will get time with the 1's during the regular season unless someone gets hurt. If he doesn't play how is he not a bust????

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1314397913' post='768044']

So you are saying if he plays the way he has in the first 3 weeks he will get PT come Wk 1? That is my point, if he doesnt play well in the next game there is no way he will get time with the 1's during the regular season unless someone gets hurt. If he doesn't play how is he not a bust????
[/quote]

Just because Torrey might not make an immediate impact doesn't mean he's a bust. It's absurd that you think that a rookie who doesn't see a lot of playing time in his rookie season is automatically a bust. How many rookies come in right away and win a starting job, or even playing time? How many of those rookies go on to be good or even great players in the future? And we still haven't even seen Torrey in a REAL GAME yet! All I'm saying is that "bust" isn't something you should call a player unless you're totally giving up on him ever becoming a good player.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1314330717' post='766512']
1.Boldin
2.Evans
3.Doss
4.Reed
5.L.Williams
6.J.Harper
7.Smith

Ive said it before this game and i will say it again, Torrey Smith is a bust. You guys can keep calling me crazy if u want but im tired of Torrey getting the benefit of the doubt. Tandon Doss who was drafted in the 4th rd, has had the same amount of time ( next to none ) to prepare as Smith has. No need to say who looks way better between the two. You dont develop your hands after you've made it to the NFL. Catching is catching, either you can catch or you cant. Point blank. SMith has hands of stone. He probably looks like this when the ball comes his way[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/bitenails.gif[/img]
[/quote]

1. Boldin
2. Evans
3. Reed
4. Doss
* Reed wins #3 because he has played every bit as well as Doss but has more experience. I would expect (and like) that they would be rotated at the #3/#4 spot.
5. L. Williams (has proven his worth for ST as well as WR)
6. J. Harper
7. T. Smith

I wouldn't call Torrey a bust. Not every rookie enters the league start ready. Some need more time. I think that is the case with Torrey. It is not about developing his hands. It is about calming his nerves and focus.

[PuRock]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314393169' post='767929']

?? Yes it is, you wouldnt call someone a bust after 1 practice, Torrey Smith needs work yes, but after 3 preseason games he is not a bust, he just needs to CATCH the ball

it is WAY too early to be using the B word
[/quote]

Yep. Apply it to real life. Imagine if you just got a new job. You are working hard at learning how everything works there. You make a few stupid mental errors and within a week your new boss is walking around calling you a "bust".

But in your head , you're like "I just started, give me some time man!"

Calling anybody a bust early on before they even take a regular season snap is just not fair to the player.
'

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1314402541' post='768115'] Yep. Apply it to real life. Imagine if you just got a new job. You are working hard at learning how everything works there. You make a few stupid mental errors and within a week your new boss is walking around calling you a "bust". But in your head , you're like "I just started, give me some time man!" Calling anybody a bust early on before they even take a regular season snap is just not fair to the player. '[/quote]

Agreed, and to add on to that, just because Doss is may be performing better, that doesn't mean Smith is a bust. It just means Doss is performing above his draft selection. Im leaning more towards calling Doss a steal than Smith a bust.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1314392918' post='767924']
It's a shame that [b]James Hardy couldn't get healthy [/b]and show us what he's got... could have been a red zone weapon.
[/quote]

And thats been his problem all along...

[gabefergy]

Anyone who is already calling Torrey a bust has 0 credibility IMO. Give the guy a chance before you label him. He clearly has some confidence issues right now and he is pressing. He needs to relax and stop over-thinking everything. You can tell from his body language that he is just tentative right now.

That said I agree that Smith needs to slide down the depth chart a bit. We have a deep threat now in Evans so we dont have to give Torrey a lot of reps until he is ready.

Boldin
Evans
Reed
Doss
Smith
Williams

Doss and Reed are pretty much interchangeable in my mind, maybe the slight edge to Reed because he is a second year player and has a bit more explosiveness. They should both see considerable play time.

[rmw10]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1314406042' post='768169']
Anyone who is already calling Torrey a bust has 0 credibility IMO. Give the guy a chance before you label him. He clearly has some confidence issues right now and he is pressing. He needs to relax and stop over-thinking everything. You can tell from his body language that he is just tentative right now.

That said I agree that Smith needs to slide down the depth chart a bit. We have a deep threat now in Evans so we dont have to give Torrey a lot of reps until he is ready.

Boldin
Evans
Reed
Doss
Smith
Williams

Doss and Reed are pretty much interchangeable in my mind, maybe the slight edge to Reed because he is a second year player and has a bit more explosiveness. They should both see considerable play time.
[/quote]


Exactly what I was thinking. You can't call Smith a bust after 3 games, 2 of which he had limited opportunity. The guy works hard and is clearly upset with what he has been doing. It's not like he's not trying to correct his mistakes. You said it perfectly.

That's exactly what my depth chart would look like. Reed and Doss are both different types of receivers, so they'll both get ample playing time in situations that apply to their style of play. Smith will get his chances, but he should really be taking the time to learn the game and improve on his weaknesses before he's placed in a meaningful situation. LaQuan is a good receiver, but we haven't seen him against any first-string defense, so he still sits at the bottom, for now.

[TDubbs]

Torrey is an intelligent guy and has the utmost character. His whole football career hes always been the top athlete, he hasnt deal with adversity. He has merely hit a bump in the road... He will grow from this, he is very dedicated and has good people around him.

He is far from a finished product. He is a body catcher right now, Worked for him in college when he had yards of separation, that does not fly in the Nfl. Everyone saw it last night, and at least now he knows thats something that needs to be worked on, (Boldin has supreme hands, he`ll use his leadership here,). As an athlete, Torrey has huge potential. The speed is obviously there, he just needs to clean up the rest of his game.

This is why we brought in Evans, Ozzie obviously identified this. Evans, who by the way, is just absolutely unreal. Torrey is a project who will become a legitimate number 1 or 2 receiver eventally. We just have to give him some slack and some time. Id like to see him get into the return game a little more, Id prefer him in there rather then Webb, who is playing some great defense and doesnt need the extra reps in special teams.

[tae2ill]

Simple (but hypothetical) Question. If Torrey was a 5th round pick and he played the same way in 3 pre-season games, would you still say his speed and potential justify him being ahead of L.Williams in our depth chart?

We say its only 3 pre-season games so you can't judge what he may become thus the potential factor (which is mostly true). But consider this, many teams including us, will be making cuts soon if not already to people who also have potential, and they were only given 3 to 4 pre-season games.

L. Williams has played better than Torrey as a WR and better than everyone as a KR, but he may not make the team. And if that happens we all can justify it because Torrey was a 2nd rd pick with speed and potential. I like Torrey, he may become the greatest WR since Jerry Rice, and Tebow may become the next Elway (that's not a knock, it honestly could happen, possible but not probable). My point is there are people who have shown that they are ready, right now. Doss may not be the fastest rookie but he has the hands of a Greek God. L. Williams seems to be a scrappy guy, the rocky type, he just does what needs to be done - nothing flashy. Reed - what can I say about this guy, he has speed and hands, you give up nothing with this guy. While people who have fought blood, sweat and tears in the pre-season prepare to be released, we can only hope, Torrey lives up to his potential. Again, I like the guy, just my current observations.

[scrock]

[quote name='lgcs27288' timestamp='1314403075' post='768125']

Agreed, and to add on to that, just because Doss is may be performing better, that doesn't mean Smith is a bust. It just means Doss is performing above his draft selection. Im leaning more towards calling Doss a steal than Smith a bust.
[/quote]

Yeah, and interestingly enough Doss is the WR Joe wanted..hmmm, maybe Joe has an eye for talent at the WR position, maybe we let him draft WRs from now on haha

Also, even though Doss was a lower selection, coming out of college he was considered a more finished product, the draft is for drafting potential a lot of times, Torrey may have more upside..but right now Doss is ahead of him

[Natty Boh]

I still have hope for Torrey Smith. Way to early to give up on him. Remember how many drops Justin Harper had in the preseason the past few years?

[lowrider]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1314411821' post='768240']
I still have hope for Torrey Smith. Way to early to give up on him. Remember how many drops Justin Harper had in the preseason the past few years?
[/quote]
Yeah and Harper is probably going to get cut this year and didn't really get much better. I don't see the point that your making.

[Natty Boh]

Yeah I got lazy with my post. The OP has Harper ranked above Smith on the depth chart and I was making a case for Torrey having more potential. Harper will be gone and Smith will stay as it should be.

[Greatness]

See? I've been saying it since we drafted him, Tandon Doss will be a boss! But I do believe you're jumping the gun on calling Torrey a bust after 3 games. Even Mark Clayton had more of a chance than that, haha. But our WR depth chart as I see it.

1) Boldin (You paid hiim to be the man, he is the man, man)
2) Evans (He'll be our number 1 by week 4, but it's Boldin for now)
3) David Reed (By sheer experience)
4) Tandon Doss (Until Cam says "Whoa, he's a beast. Number 3 on the chart to you!)
5) Torrey Smith (He'll be here for awhile and be on some packages)
6) Quan Williams (He's a nice return guy and decent on Sp teams, chea)

But there you have it folks.

Oh, did I say Tandon Doss is a beast?

[upanddown85]

hey pp, let's give him a year n c what happen. Jerry Rice wast that good in his first year. i like to c Quan williams n Allen Anthony make the team.