Bryant McKinnie To Ravens

[POE]

The bottom line to our recent oline signings, including McKinney regardless of the outcome, is that our FO understands that the only way to upgrade this team and get over the hump is to give Joe Flacco more time to get the ball out and make plays. They are addressing their and everyone elses only worry and doing it the best way they can. The way his deal is laid out gives the player incentive to at least give his all to earn the money so there is no harm either way it goes. He could be the best move of the off-season or he could just be another veteran to add to a pretty good young oline.

[scrock]

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed vouched for McKinnie

thats all I need to hear, if Ray Lewis is sticking his neck out for Bryant...then i'm good with it

i'm sure those guys will keep each other in check

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1314143385' post='761721']
Starting or at least being a depth in LT. Bryant has been a LT his whole life. Absolutely no way of him being a RT.


Bryant on LT, Oher in RT. BEASTLY
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umm, I bet the Ravens will let Oher try to keep his job at LT and McKinnie will play RT...now if Oher keeps struggling then they will probably switch them and see what happens...can McKinnie still play at a high level at LT

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='POE' timestamp='1314143967' post='761749']
The bottom line to our recent oline signings, including McKinney regardless of the outcome, is that our FO understands that the only way to upgrade this team and get over the hump is to give Joe Flacco more time to get the ball out and make plays. They are addressing their and everyone elses only worry and doing it the best way they can. The way his deal is laid out gives the player incentive to at least give his all to earn the money so there is no harm either way it goes. He could be the best move of the off-season or he could just be another veteran to add to a pretty good young oline.
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We went from a suspect line and really scary WR situation to a pretty damn good one on paper with quality depth and now our starting WR corps is looking pretty beastly with Boldin, Evans, and Reed as your top 3 with Smith and Doss for depth and certain packages. I just love that OL giving Joe the time to throw down field to not one, but two deep threats in Evans and Reed.

[colljb9]

i just gotta question...no ones mentioned this and im not sure the reaction im going to get but i feel like theres this notion thats arisen that every single nfl team has this amazing offensive line that protects their quarterback and doesnt give up a sack. POE you make a great point that the front office is doing the best they can. There are NOT that many offensive linemen, especially at LT none the less, who you mark as a franchise guy to keep your quarterback safe for 10 or 15 years. Ogden was not just a great draft pick, Ogden was a gift who from day 1 gave us the confidence he would protect our quarterback, however mediocre he was, till the whistle on every single play. We're not going to find that guy and looking to the past drafts i can only thing of Long for miami and williams for the redskins who fit that mold. Thats 2 guys in a few drafts, with 7 rounds, for 32 teams. We wont find him through a trade, through a free agent, or through an undrafted rookie...We deal with what we have and make moves based on whose available. Ozzie has done nothing less then impress his entire time with the ravens, and this draft and offseason could possibly be our best in a while

[POE]

[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1314144959' post='761773']

We went from a suspect line and really scary WR situation to a pretty damn good one on paper with quality depth and now our starting WR corps is looking pretty beastly with Boldin, Evans, and Reed as your top 3 with Smith and Doss for depth and certain packages. [b]I just love that OL giving Joe the time to throw down field to not one, but two deep threats in Evans and Reed.[/b]
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You and I both!

[RavenRain]

Love it!
Lets get it...

[scrock]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1314144976' post='761774']
i just gotta question...no ones mentioned this and im not sure the reaction im going to get but i feel like theres this notion thats arisen that every single nfl team has this amazing offensive line that protects their quarterback and doesnt give up a sack. POE you make a great point that the front office is doing the best they can. There are NOT that many offensive linemen, especially at LT none the less, who you mark as a franchise guy to keep your quarterback safe for 10 or 15 years.[b]Ogden was not just a great draft pick, Ogden was a gift who from day 1 gave us the confidence he would protect our quarterback, however mediocre he was[/b], till the whistle on every single play. We're not going to find that guy and looking to the past drafts i can only thing of Long for miami and williams for the redskins who fit that mold. Thats 2 guys in a few drafts, with 7 rounds, for 32 teams. We wont find him through a trade, through a free agent, or through an undrafted rookie...We deal with what we have and make moves based on whose available. Ozzie has done nothing less then impress his entire time with the ravens, and this draft and offseason could possibly be our best in a while
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i stopped reading your post after u said Ogden was mediocre...educate yourself

unless ur referring to the QB..if so then try to write it out better..cause thats confusing

[POE]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314145106' post='761780']

i stopped reading your post after u said Ogden was mediocre...educate yourself
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I wasn't sure about that either, but I kept reading and understand his point. Not about Ogden but that Ozzie is doing his best to put together the best that we can get and afford.

[colljb9]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314145106' post='761780']

i stopped reading your post after u said Ogden was mediocre...educate yourself
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Reread the quote and think for a second, Ogden was not only a great draft pick, he was a guy who from day 1 gave us confidence he would protect our quarterback every single play to the whistle. If you think thats me calling him mediocre you have a serious problem in interpretations. Thats basically me saying he was the one player we could count on on offense to play every single play till the whistle...please try again

[Yurtle]

I called for this move weeks ago. Good work there Ozzie.

[jimmysmith3]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314145106' post='761780']

i stopped reading your post after u said Ogden was mediocre...educate yourself

unless ur referring to the QB..if so then try to write it out better..cause thats confusing
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Ya I think he just kind of worded that awkwardly, I don't think he was critisizing Ogden.

[jimmysmith3]

[quote name='Yurtle' timestamp='1314145247' post='761792']
I called for this move weeks ago. Good work there Ozzie.
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This looked like a terrible move weeks ago though, not sure I would be proud about that. Now calling the Lee Evans trade before there was any kind of speculation at all like I did was pure genius...[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/268213.gif[/img]

[colljb9]

[quote name='jimmysmith3' timestamp='1314145660' post='761798']
Ya I think he just kind of worded that awkwardly, I don't think he was critisizing Ogden.
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Okay i see what your saying now, yes i definitely meant however mediocre the quarterback was because, i think without argument, saying our quarterbacks excluding flacco through our history have been mediocre at best. I just meant ogden gave his all every play because some players dont give there all when their protecting a mediocre quarterback or being thrown to by one. I personally would put ogden in the top 5 offensive linemen of all time for not only his play, but leadership and what he brings to the team

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1314144976' post='761774']
i just gotta question...no ones mentioned this and im not sure the reaction im going to get but i feel like theres this notion thats arisen that every single nfl team has this amazing offensive line that protects their quarterback and doesnt give up a sack. POE you make a great point that the front office is doing the best they can. There are NOT that many offensive linemen, especially at LT none the less, who you mark as a franchise guy to keep your quarterback safe for 10 or 15 years. Ogden was not just a great draft pick, Ogden was a gift who from day 1 gave us the confidence he would protect our quarterback, however mediocre he was, till the whistle on every single play. We're not going to find that guy and looking to the past drafts i can only thing of Long for miami and williams for the redskins who fit that mold. Thats 2 guys in a few drafts, with 7 rounds, for 32 teams. We wont find him through a trade, through a free agent, or through an undrafted rookie...We deal with what we have and make moves based on whose available. Ozzie has done nothing less then impress his entire time with the ravens, and this draft and offseason could possibly be our best in a while
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Trent Williams? From everything I've heard he was mediocre at best in his first season. Maybe you're thinking of someone else? What about arguably the best LT in football today, Joe Thomas?

And what's this notion about every team having an amazing O-Line that you're talking about? I haven't heard anyone saying anything even remotely close to "every single team has a amazing O-Line that never allows any sacks". Very confusing...

Anyway, I love the McKinnie pickup in theory. Ozzie knows what he's doing and he's one of the best in the business. If McKinnie passes his physical I expect him to maybe see a series in the 4th preseason game, at best. I think he'll probably be starting week 1 at Pittsburgh at RT. If Oher fails to meet his increased expectations and McKinnie plays light-out against Pitt I could see us considering a switch. But for now I think Oher is entrenched at LT as long as he proves he can handle it.

[jimmysmith3]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1314145850' post='761804']

Okay i see what your saying now, yes i definitely meant however mediocre the quarterback was because, i think without argument, saying our quarterbacks excluding flacco through our history have been mediocre at best. I just meant ogden gave his all every play because some players dont give there all when their protecting a mediocre quarterback or being thrown to by one. I personally would put ogden in the top 5 offensive linemen of all time for not only his play, but leadership and what he brings to the team
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I figured that's what you were trying to say, but thanks for clearing that up. That's also a good point that you bring up that fans don't really realize.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

McKinnie is a good LT when healthy and is extremely athletic for his size when in shape. I think he will be in shape because he is around a locker room where he still has something to prove, we have 2 Miami guys that are first ballot HOF'ers and one that played with him and one that was probably the reason he went to the U so I think he is actually going to become more dominant than he ever was here in Baltimore.

[scrock]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1314145240' post='761791']

Reread the quote and think for a second, Ogden was not only a great draft pick, he was a guy who from day 1 gave us confidence he would protect our quarterback every single play to the whistle. If you think thats me calling him mediocre you have a serious problem in interpretations. Thats basically me saying he was the one player we could count on on offense to play every single play till the whistle...please try again
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the way u originally worded it..sounded like u could have meant Ogden too

i got u

[scrock]

[quote name='jimmysmith3' timestamp='1314145835' post='761803']
This looked like a terrible move weeks ago though, not sure I would be proud about that. Now calling the Lee Evans trade before there was any kind of speculation at all like I did was pure genius...[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/268213.gif[/img]
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hey man, i was saying watch out for a trade to acquire a WR the whole time too haha

[1/28/01]

Hey guys, it was obvious Ozzie was going to strengthen our WR corps and the Oline.....simmer down with the pats on the back

[scrock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1314147134' post='761832']
Hey guys, it was obvious Ozzie was going to strengthen our WR corps and the Oline.....simmer down with the pats on the back [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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haha, no i want my KUDOS

[RoflDogs]

Meh move. He was close to 400 pounds when he got released and sucked for the past few years

I'd rather let Jah start

[mgridda]

Bryant McKinnie was good, not great, last year. Or at least, that's what the guys watching every player in every play say. Good enough to be his division's top LT. He wasn't bad, he wasn't sucking -- and I quite frankly don't know where people are drawing that analysis from.

What I don't like is all these posters saying "put him here! put Oher here!" Or, "No he's got to go here!" "I'd rather let Jah start." or "this guy will start! no this guy will start!"

Football is played in real time. The players don't just show up on Sundays and earn starting spots based on reputation. If McKinnie passes the physical, then he'll come in to practice and the coaching staff will likely give him numerous reps at LT w/ either the 2nd team or the 1st team. Whatever happens in these next 18 days, I'm going to guess Oher and McKinnie will compete for the Left Tackle spot and we're going to put our best pass protector at Left Tackle.

May the best man win. You bring guys in to compete. Not to start.

No benefit comes from anointing guys to positions or putting them in a box limiting their abilities before they even come on board (e.g., "there's no way he can play RT!") Like any subject on a single team's sports forum, much ado over nothing. Much hollow talk. People have nothing to say, no information to go on and just want to contribute to the discussion somehow, I guess.

[TDubbs]

I think this is a pretty solid move. All Pro LT 9 year veteran who is 6f8 and its reported to be around 345 pounds he still has a good year or 2 left if he can pass the physical.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed have vouched for their Miami U counterpart, and I can only welcome Bryant to the team and hope that he helps us get better at a crucial position.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1314147723' post='761843']
Meh move. He was close to 400 pounds when he got released and sucked for the past few years

I'd rather let Jah start
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While he had a bad season last year, it may have been a product of the Viking's ineptitude as a team. Whether he played well or not the Vikings weren't going anywhere last year. Since he's not known for being a high-character guy, it's possible that his terrible play was a result of his lack of desire and disinterest in the team. While I can't vouch for his play, McKinnie did make the pro bowl in 2009 so he can't possibly have sucked that badly.

If Ray, Ed, Birk and Ozzie are all willing to vouch for him, I can't dismiss him as easily as you seem to be.

[ravensfan6892]

I like Mckinnie, if he can be close to what he has been in the past couple years than our line has just gotten a lot better, if only for the extra competition to play in itself

[ravensfan6892]

like others have said; ozzie, ed, ray, and birk have all vouched for him so i trust them and think that he will have the desire to play for a contender this year as opposed to the vikings.

A 6' 8" 380 lb man could do a lot, if only to come in on run packages

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravensfan6892' timestamp='1314148359' post='761863']
like others have said; ozzie, ed, ray, and birk have all vouched for him so i trust them and think that he will have the desire to play for a contender this year as opposed to the vikings.

A 6' 8" 380 lb man could do a lot, if only to come in on run packages
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Well, he sure as hell better not be 380 anymore!!

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1314148080' post='761853']

While he had a bad season last year, it may have been a product of the Viking's ineptitude as a team. Whether he played well or not the Vikings weren't going anywhere last year. Since he's not known for being a high-character guy, it's possible that his terrible play was a result of his lack of desire and disinterest in the team. While I can't vouch for his play, McKinnie did make the pro bowl in 2009 so he can't possibly have sucked that badly.

If Ray, Ed, Birk and Ozzie are all willing to vouch for him, I can't dismiss him as easily as you seem to be.
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He's been bad before Favre got there, so your point is invalid

[jimmysmith3]

[quote name='mgridda' timestamp='1314147792' post='761845']
Bryant McKinnie was good, not great, last year. Or at least, that's what the guys watching every player in every play say. Good enough to be his division's top LT. He wasn't bad, he wasn't sucking -- and I quite frankly don't know where people are drawing that analysis from.

What I don't like is all these posters saying "put him here! put Oher here!" Or, "No he's got to go here!" "I'd rather let Jah start." or "this guy will start! no this guy will start!"

Football is played in real time. The players don't just show up on Sundays and earn starting spots based on reputation. If McKinnie passes the physical, then he'll come in to practice and the coaching staff will likely give him numerous reps at LT w/ either the 2nd team or the 1st team. Whatever happens in these next 18 days, I'm going to guess Oher and McKinnie will compete for the Left Tackle spot and we're going to put our best pass protector at Left Tackle.

May the best man win. You bring guys in to compete. Not to start.

No benefit comes from anointing guys to positions or putting them in a box limiting their abilities before they even come on board (e.g., "there's no way he can play RT!") Like any subject on a single team's sports forum, much ado over nothing. Much hollow talk. People have nothing to say, no information to go on and just want to contribute to the discussion somehow, I guess.
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We didn't bring this guy in to ride the pine and lead on our on another Love Boat excursion. Come on dude, we brought a high risk player like this in to be a starting tackle for us. Yes, if he gets outplayed then he will be replaced, but we brought this guy in to start.

"You bring guys in to compete" - So we brought Vonta Leach in to compete. Nope, the only other FB on the roster was cut before Leach's plane even arrived in Baltimore.

Guys like Pollard and LeVoir were brought in to compete. Guys like Lee Evans, Mckinnie, and Leach were brought in to start.

Ideally you are correct, but in reality you are wrong. You should also probably look up the definition for what a forum is first before you critisize people. If you want news stay on the homepage; a forum is a place where the fans dicuss the news and facts (like the Mckinnie signing).

Good attempt at being prophetic in a football forum though. Go troll somwhere else.