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[joemak]

I say we give Fox one more shot and if he fails we cut his [profanity deleted]. I like the young guys (smith,webb,cary,chykie) but I dont think we should just throw them in the deep end, eecspecially when theyve only had a playbook for under a month. We need Fox and Carr this year for depth at the very least, and if they suck this year, then cut both. Cause i have not been impressed with Fox or Carr since we signed them 2 years ago.

[codizzle]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1314011935' post='759641']


He was improving at tne end of '09. Of course, he had nowhere to go but up from his performance of the first half of that season. I'm not sold on Foxworth in the least. Despite his inconsistencies, I think Williams has shown us more than Foxworth ever has. Side by side, (because Foxworth had his own inconsistencies) Williams has outplayed Foxworth overall. Webb got beat a few times on some deep passes but overall he DID play well last season. Carr was our most consistent and best performing CB last season so to hate on him based on 2 pre-season games after a lockout is preposterous. As I said, I'm not saying cut the man tomorrow just that if the need for cap room arises, this is the place to look for a cut.
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williams has batted down a couple passes in preseason and has played some good d so far. He hasnt even played a full game yet let alone started a regular season game at all and yet he's proven more than foxworth. Smh

[mhead66]

Check out these five 2011 salaries:

Chris Carr $3.5 million
Jimmy Smith $1.86 million
Lardarius Webb $480 thousand
Cary Williams $390 thousand
Domonique Foxworth $7 million

Yes, Foxworth is paid more than the other 4 combined. He's worth keeping talent-wise, but we're not talking Ed Reed here. He's not irreplaceable, not at that price.

The NFL is a business, and at times, Ozzie has to treat it as such. Foxworth is making twice what Josh Wilson signed for. He makes more than Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, Ben Grubbs, and Michael Oher make. He makes more than Mason or Heap were scheduled to make. In fact, his contract is identical to Boldin's, and only Lee Evans, Ray Lewis, Ngata, Ed Reed, T-Sizzle and Yanda make more.

Is Foxworth the 7th best player on the roster? We're talking about value, value to the talent level of the team, in comparison to his cap hit.

I believe the FO should either ask him to take a pay cut or find a cheaper alternative. He won't be a starter, and $7 million for a back up is ridiculous.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1314017572' post='759665']Check out these five 2011 salaries: Chris Carr $3.5 million Jimmy Smith $1.86 million Lardarius Webb $480 thousand Cary Williams $390 thousand Domonique Foxworth $7 million Yes, Foxworth is paid more than the other 4 combined. He's worth keeping talent-wise, but we're not talking Ed Reed here. He's not irreplaceable, not at that price. The NFL is a business, and at times, Ozzie has to treat it as such. Foxworth is making twice what Josh Wilson signed for. He makes more than Joe Flacco, Ray Rice, Ben Grubbs, and Michael Oher make. He makes more than Mason or Heap were scheduled to make. In fact, his contract is identical to Boldin's, and only Lee Evans, Ray Lewis, Ngata, Ed Reed, T-Sizzle and Yanda make more. Is Foxworth the 7th best player on the roster? We're talking about value, value to the talent level of the team, in comparison to his cap hit. I believe the FO should either ask him to take a pay cut or find a cheaper alternative. He won't be a starter, and $7 million for a back up is ridiculous.[/quote]
You took the words right out of my mouth.

[T-ray]

You all are talking like Foxworth has no concerns just because he's a vet. Well, there are two concerns in my mind. 1) Major injury last year. A vast majority of times players don't return to their previous self until the 2nd year being back. Foxworth is no different IMO. 2) He didn't come on in the 2nd half of the season; he was just woefully bad the 1st part, so any improvement, even a couple of balls swatted down, would've been a turn around for him.

I have no idea why we let Wilson walk when he was a better player than Fox and only making half of that salary (even with the Redskins, he's still making less than Fox). But thats in the past. No one can do anything about it.

What I'm saying is, we don't need Fox to be making that much money and not at 100% for us this year (sure he'll be around 85% but that still doesn't cut it).

[AsianRice]

About Cary William like some ppl in here comparing to Foxworth, remember the KC last week made the fast drive and scored a TD? Cary was giving up that TD when he stepped the wrong foot and let T Copper scored the TD. The dude showed improvement and yet to be proved worthy for regular season starter. Foxworth is proved that he is a starter, and his injury might linger the lost of his starting job. However, I believe he will get better and play for us. Our rookie CBs needs his experiences.

PS: Nothing better is having depth in CB position. Beside, Ngata's contract hopefully will be done soon so Ozzie can use his wand to get us another legitimate OT.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1314020459' post='759684']
You all are talking like Foxworth has no concerns just because he's a vet. Well, there are two concerns in my mind. 1) Major injury last year. A vast majority of times players don't return to their previous self until the 2nd year being back. Foxworth is no different IMO. 2) He didn't come on in the 2nd half of the season; he was just woefully bad the 1st part, so any improvement, even a couple of balls swatted down, would've been a turn around for him.

I[b] have no idea why we let Wilson walk when he was a better player than Fox and only making half of that salary (even with the Redskins, he's still making less than Fox). But thats in the past. No one can do anything about it.[/b]

What I'm saying is, we don't need Fox to be making that much money and not at 100% for us this year (sure he'll be around 85% but that still doesn't cut it).
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Wilson took the Redskins offer so fast that Ozzie couldn't beat offering him another contract. I want him to stay so badly too.

[D-Rey]

Some people seem to be ignoring this point, but it seems like some people don't realize how hard it is to get adjusted to a new defense sometimes. It took him a while to adjust to the defense, and despite what some people are saying he did progress as the year went on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to hate on Williams, Carr or Webb. Just trying to point out that every single on of our corners has a question mark about them. Would I like Foxy to take a pay cut, Ya. But I would rather have him than the 4.4 million that we would gain if we cut him.

About Wilson, we tried to get him back but he went to the Redskins because he knew he would start there. Here there are alot of quality corners and knew his chances of starting were smaller.

And as Ed_Reed20 said Webb was really inconsistent last year. His ACL tear was really affecting him. Could he improve, ya, but so could Foxworth.

[harfordravenfan]

I'd agree with most here that Fox has been overpaid based on past production but I'd much rather the FO go to him and look to re-structure his contract. The real tough decision would be if he didn't want to, as mentioned earlier, it's not like we have much veteran presence in the CB position and it's alittle late in the game to be trying to bring in a vet and hope he learns our system within a week or two.

[stan]

Remember when we needed DBs? Also looking for a replacement for C Mac? Starting CBs are hard to find and we have a few extra. Don't forget the "What if's." What if someone gets hurt or doesn't pan out the way we think they are going to? We won't be worried about the cap if we wind up having to rely on Foxy to step in. If he is cut then the remainder of his signing bonus will be accelerated, charged to this year. Say we owe him 8 Mill total that is supposed to be apportioned through each remaining year of his contract. The entire 8 Mill will be charged to this year. if we did save a few bucks then signing another quality DB would cost at least the difference. Why do that?

[stan]

Gasp!! I just looked it up. We can't cut Foxworth. The cap hit would be bigger than 7 Mil. He signed for 4 years 28 Mil with 16.5 Mil guaranteed. If he received 4 Mil the first 2 years, and I bet it was far less, then we owe him 8.5 Mil. It would cost 8.5 Mil at least to cut him. Josh Wilson received 13.5 Mil for 3 years 6 Mil guaranteed from the Skins.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1314027995' post='759755']
About Cary William like some ppl in here comparing to Foxworth, remember the KC last week made the fast drive and scored a TD? Cary was giving up that TD when he stepped the wrong foot and let T Copper scored the TD. The dude showed improvement and yet to be proved worthy for regular season starter. Foxworth is proved that he is a starter, and his injury might linger the lost of his starting job. However, I believe he will get better and play for us. Our rookie CBs needs his experiences.

PS: Nothing better is having depth in CB position. Beside, Ngata's contract hopefully will be done soon so Ozzie can use his wand to get us another legitimate OT.
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I guess this is where we are all getting bottled up. You say Foxworth has proven he is a starter. I disagree. See the previous post about the fact that he was just so poor the first half of '09 that any improvement made him look good. I don't think Foxworth has proven anything (at least since he's been with the Ravens) at all. So that makes his $7 million salary insane. Sorry, but I remember too well screaming at him while watching the Ravens' games. He has speed. Period. He doesn't make plays for the ball. He is not consistent at tackling if the catch is made either. I think some are remembering him way better than he was simply because on the other side we stunk up the place.

[Ravensstrike4424]

leave him alone,he isnt going be cut