Harbaugh Presser Video

[Sunday QB]

Coach Harbaugh said that Foxworth was in the locker room feeling sore from his knee surgery. My question is are we really hanging on to a CB who we are paying somewhere between 4 and 7 million dollars that isn't 100 %. If we are building toward a chanpionship year then we need to say goodbye to Foxworth or add more depth. With the cap I say good bye. We could use those dollars somewhere else.

We are not in the business to wait and guess if you are ready after a year or so. We need to move on and get this ball rolling. I see we have added depth to the O-Line witch is good so Let Ozzie do his thing and get us what we need to get the job done.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks.

[Alexir]

We get very young at that position if we cut him....

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1313971530' post='759391']
We get very young at that position if we cut him....
[/quote]

And? if he isnt on the field, what is the difference?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Sunday QB' timestamp='1313971372' post='759387']
Coach Harbaugh said that Foxworth was in the locker room feeling sore from his knee surgery. My question is are we really hanging on to a CB who we are paying somewhere between 4 and 7 million dollars that isn't 100 %. If we are building toward a chanpionship year then we need to say goodbye to Foxworth or add more depth. With the cap I say good bye. We could use those dollars somewhere else.

We are not in the business to wait and guess if you are ready after a year or so. We need to move on and get this ball rolling. I see we have added depth to the O-Line witch is good so Let Ozzie do his thing and get us what we need to get the job done.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks.
[/quote]

I think his CAP hit this year is 7.4 that's a huge number if we do go Smith and Williams as starters. Its very possible that he's on the chopping block. But we do need some depth. I think if the right opportunity presents itself which requires CAP space, his name will be one to consider.

[D-Rey]

Ya but if we do cut him, we are still on the hook for alot of that 7.4 million. What we would gain isn't enough for me to want to cut him.

Edit: I guess we'd get 4.4 of that back, but thats not enough for me to want to cut him.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Sunday QB' timestamp='1313971372' post='759387']
Coach Harbaugh said that Foxworth was in the locker room feeling sore from his knee surgery. My question is are we really hanging on to a CB who we are paying somewhere between 4 and 7 million dollars that isn't 100 %. If we are building toward a chanpionship year then we need to say goodbye to Foxworth or add more depth. With the cap I say good bye. We could use those dollars somewhere else.

We are not in the business to wait and guess if you are ready after a year or so. We need to move on and get this ball rolling. I see we have added depth to the O-Line witch is good so Let Ozzie do his thing and get us what we need to get the job done.

If you disagree please explain why. Thanks.
[/quote]

Foxworth is our only veteran CB. He was the leader of the defensive backs when Reed was out. He is the leader of our cornerbacks.

As far as "hanging on to an injured CB", I should tell you that humans have this thing where they get better. It's weird, right? But Foxworth is going to play and fight for the #1 spot. If you don't think he's worth 1/15 of our salary cap in a game where you only have 22 starters, maybe you don't think Terrell Suggs is worth it either. Or Ray Lewis.

Just because there is a cap doesn't mean we have to get rid of every player who makes more than a few million. This isn't Madden '11. You can't replace all your players with free agents.

[Sunday QB]

Agreed, but I thought the right opportunity had already presented itself several times.

[Alexir]

We aren't exactly waiting on Nnamdi or Revis coming back from an injury. Its Foxworth. We end up eating 3 million dollars of his contract. If we had signed Josh Wilson I would of been all for it.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1313973068' post='759409']
We aren't exactly waiting on Nnamdi or Revis coming back from an injury. Its Foxworth. We end up eating 3 million dollars of his contract. If we had signed Josh Wilson I would of been all for it.
[/quote]
If we could have Wilson back I would be all for it too, but that boat has already sailed. I like Foxworth and imo there isn't anyone out there worth losing him for.

[Sunday QB]

Foxworth is our only veteran CB. He was the leader of the defensive backs when Reed was out. He is the leader of our cornerbacks.

As far as "hanging on to an injured CB", I should tell you that humans have this thing where they get better. It's weird, right? But Foxworth is going to play and fight for the #1 spot. If you don't think he's worth 1/15 of our salary cap in a game where you only have 22 starters, maybe you don't think Terrell Suggs is worth it either. Or Ray Lewis.

Just because there is a cap doesn't mean we have to get rid of every player who makes more than a few million. This isn't Madden '11. You can't replace all your players with free agents.
*

First off Reed is back and Foxworth is not a Sizzle or a Lewis. We got rid of players who were much and mean much more valuable to this team and healthy. So my question stands why would we hang on to someone who is not 100% and hitting the cap high and get rid of playmakers, team icons.

[D-Rey]

I think good reasons have already been stated, plus we don't know how Williams will do in the regular season. Webb hasn't looked very good and Carr has been up and down. Depth at CB is important.

[Sunday QB]

I agree we still need to add more, bring in a good CB, I just don't know if we need to hang on to someone who will not give us 100%.

[D-Rey]

What CBs are out there. Despite what other people believe, I believe Foxy is a very good CB. He may not be 100% right now, but that doesn't mean he won't in the next few weeks.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Sunday QB' timestamp='1313973400' post='759413']

First off Reed is back and Foxworth is not a Sizzle or a Lewis. We got rid of players who were much and mean much more valuable to this team and healthy. So my question stands [b]why would we hang on to someone who is not 100%[/b] and hitting the cap high and get rid of playmakers, team icons.
[/quote]

He WILL be 100%. What don't you get about that? He's not paralyzed, his knee is sore.

And we're already under the cap. What do we need cap room for? For more O-line backups? You don't get rid of your potential top corner for some useless free agents.

[Sunday QB]

I am just worrying about week 1 right now!

[Sunday QB]

I do not see him as our top corner, not yet., not with reports his not 100%.

[jimmysmith3]

I would be willing to cut him if we are able to acquire a better player than him but where would that occur? And he isn't what's stopping us from adding additional talent, that's the lack of quality players left available and the Ngata contract. We don't gain anything from cutting him at this point and there is a good reason why we signed him for 7.4 mil a year. Because he was a very good corner. Be patient...

You guys all want to make roster moves just for the sake of doing something. I know that's part of the fun of being a fan, but come on. This move just doesn't make sense at this time.

[D-Rey]

Who is our top corner than, a rookie, a cb thats been on the PS majority of his career, a cb that hasn't been the same after his ACL tear, or a CB that was solid last year, but has been inconsistent so far this preseason. I'm not hating on our CBs, but every single one of them has something we could be worried about. I love our CB depth and I think it should stay the way it is.

[Sunday QB]

No we should have kept #37.Let see what available by 8/30

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1313972205' post='759399']

Foxworth is our only veteran CB. He was the leader of the defensive backs when Reed was out. He is the leader of our cornerbacks.

As far as "hanging on to an injured CB", I should tell you that humans have this thing where they get better. It's weird, right? But Foxworth is going to play and fight for the #1 spot. If you don't think he's worth 1/15 of our salary cap in a game where you only have 22 starters, maybe you don't think Terrell Suggs is worth it either. Or Ray Lewis.

Just because there is a cap doesn't mean we have to get rid of every player who makes more than a few million. This isn't Madden '11. You can't replace all your players with free agents.
[/quote]

I understand your point but Foxworth is nowhere near the value of Ray Lewis or Suggs. He played poorly the first half of '09 and only slightly above average the 2nd half of '09. People like to say how he "came on" at the end of '09 but in reality, our CB play (from everyone) was so poor the first half of that season that mediocre seemed great by comparison. Now, Foxworth is coming off a serious injury and has missed an entire season. IMO he is simply not worth the money he is tying up.

[jimmysmith3]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1313977231' post='759458']

I understand your point but Foxworth is nowhere near the value of Ray Lewis or Suggs. He played poorly the first half of '09 and only slightly above average the 2nd half of '09. People like to say how he "came on" at the end of '09 but in reality, our CB play (from everyone) was so poor the first half of that season that mediocre seemed great by comparison. Now, Foxworth is coming off a serious injury and has missed an entire season. IMO he is simply not worth the money he is tying up.
[/quote]
So do you suggest we cut him as well? Or are you just pointing out the obvious?

[hawkprey]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1313977231' post='759458']

I understand your point but Foxworth is nowhere near the value of Ray Lewis or Suggs. He played poorly the first half of '09 and only slightly above average the 2nd half of '09. People like to say how he "came on" at the end of '09 but in reality, our CB play (from everyone) was so poor the first half of that season that mediocre seemed great by comparison. Now, Foxworth is coming off a serious injury and has missed an entire season. IMO he is simply not worth the money he is tying up.
[/quote]

We can afford to pay our best corner the most money. What we can't afford is to count on two corners who haven't started a game to hold up the secondary.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1313978033' post='759469']

We can afford to pay our best corner the most money. What we can't afford is to count on two corners who haven't started a game to hold up the secondary.
[/quote]
agree 100% +1 for that. Thats what I've been trying to explain.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1313978033' post='759469']

We can afford to pay our best corner the most money. What we can't afford is to count on two corners who haven't started a game to hold up the secondary.
[/quote]

I don't think one can call him our best CB right now. That was my point. His play was not stellar to begin with and now he is coming off a serious injury and has missed an entire season. Besides we are not ONLY relying on Smith and Williams. We still have Webb and Carr who both played well last season as starters. I'm not saying we cut him just to cut him and have cap room. I'm saying if there should come available a quality O line player (an actual starter) or a Center and we need the cap room, that is where a cut should be made.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1313982242' post='759508']

I don't think one can call him our best CB right now. That was my point. His play was not stellar to begin with and now he is coming off a serious injury and has missed an entire season. Besides we are not ONLY relying on Smith and Williams. We still have Webb and Carr who both played well last season as starters. I'm not saying we cut him just to cut him and have cap room. I'm saying if there should come available a quality O line player (an actual starter) or a Center and we need the cap room, that is where a cut should be made.
[/quote]
What if Smith and Williams don't work out. Then we have Webb (who didn't play that well last season) and Carr who has been inconsistent so far this preseason We can't call any of them our best corner right now, they all have some kind of question mark. Why would we cut someone who could be our best corner.
He struggled at the beginning of the 09 season because he was joining [b]a new defense[/b]. As the season went on he was improving. i thought last year he was going to break out until he got hurt. There is no reason to believe he is better or worse than anyone else we have. But cutting him would handicap us at the postion imo. If he can overcome this injury, there is no doubt in my mind he will be starting for us.
He's worth that 4.4 million in my opinion.

[scrock]

Foxworth will play this year, this is his first ACL injury or that's what he said, so at the beginning of camp he had concerns about his knee, but all accounts are its doing better and he's playing and should see more snaps this next game.

Our CB depth is great, I definitely dont want to cut Foxworth or any of our CBs

[Militant X 1]

you cats that keep saying that Foxworth is our only veteran CB are forgetting about Carr. perhaps not the best of mentors but a veteran nonetheless. plus, with Smith, Williams and Webb and Ed Reed and Bernard Pollard at the Safety spots backing them up....the young "pups" should do well!

~Mili

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1313983518' post='759521']
What if Smith and Williams don't work out. Then we have Webb (who didn't play that well last season) and Carr who has been inconsistent so far this preseason We can't call any of them our best corner right now, they all have some kind of question mark. Why would we cut someone who could be our best corner.
He struggled at the beginning of the 09 season because he was joining [b]a new defense[/b]. As the season went on he was improving. i thought last year he was going to break out until he got hurt. There is no reason to believe he is better or worse than anyone else we have. But cutting him would handicap us at the postion imo. If he can overcome this injury, there is no doubt in my mind he will be starting for us.
He's worth that 4.4 million in my opinion.
[/quote]

He was improving at tne end of '09. Of course, he had nowhere to go but up from his performance of the first half of that season. I'm not sold on Foxworth in the least. Despite his inconsistencies, I think Williams has shown us more than Foxworth ever has. Side by side, (because Foxworth had his own inconsistencies) Williams has outplayed Foxworth overall. Webb got beat a few times on some deep passes but overall he DID play well last season. Carr was our most consistent and best performing CB last season so to hate on him based on 2 pre-season games after a lockout is preposterous. As I said, I'm not saying cut the man tomorrow just that if the need for cap room arises, this is the place to look for a cut.

[CorvusCorax]

You know every season our CBs are scrutinized ad nauseum and every season they seem to do just fine. I'm not worried about what happens during the preseason unless it's a serious injury season ending injury.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1314011935' post='759641']

He was improving at tne end of '09. Of course, he had nowhere to go but up from his performance of the first half of that season. I'm not sold on Foxworth in the least. [b]Despite his inconsistencies, I think Williams has shown us more than Foxworth ever has. Side by side, (because Foxworth had his own inconsistencies) Williams has outplayed Foxworth overall.[/b] [b]Webb got beat a few times on some deep passes but overall he DID play well last season.[/b] Carr was our most consistent and best performing CB last season so to hate on him based on 2 pre-season games after a lockout is preposterous. As I said, I'm not saying cut the man tomorrow just that if the need for cap room arises, this is the place to look for a cut.
[/quote]

I have nothing against Cary, but outside of special teams, when has he ever made a defensive play in the regular season? And by "overall", are we simply talking this pre-season? Because taking their entire careers into account, Foxworth has been the better player.

As for Webb, he was woefully inconsistent last year.