(Torrey) Smith Is A Project WR Compared To Reed/Doss/Williams

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Tyler' timestamp='1313981818' post='759505']
Some fans make me laugh at their lack of football knowledge. Maybe in 2008 we should have Labeled Flacco as a bust after having a horrendous pre season his rookie year. How'd that work out for us?
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Only one person actually called him a bust.

[colljb9]

I dont understand how people can think this kid is a bust after no offseason and two preseason games. Being a huge ravens fan for a long time i've gotten the sense we like rookies to learn by throwing them into the fire. Some succeed (Flacco, Reed, Lewis, suggs, ngata to name a few) and some fail (kyle boller and travis taylor). As we've seen most of these guys succeed under the ravens front office and coaching staff and very few fail. Torrey smith is a great character kid who helped take care of his mother and 6 siblings as a kid. You know this kid wants to work hard and has the character and work ethic to get it done. I cant believe the NFL has progressed to a time where if a rookie doesnt succeed in half a preseason in a LOCKOUT year he is a bust. This kid has one intangible you cant teach, speed. You can teach him to cut harder and work on his hands (which already seem to be okay) and his timing with flacco will follow with experience. He's a great kid with great potential and i trust that ozzie didnt pick this kid in the second round for nothing

[scrock]

I think David Reed should be the 3rd WR, he's farther along than Doss or Torrey

[RoflDogs]

I too hated the Torrey pick at first (REALLY wanted Greg Little), but that's beside the point. He's a rookie receiver playing in his 2nd live NFL game. Give him a bit of time to get assimilated with the playbook (no matter how idiotic that playbook is, sorry, can't post about the offense without mentioning a certain someone's ineptness) and get his feet wet a little bit before calling him a bust

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1313982188' post='759507']

Only one person actually called him a bust.
[/quote]I think it was the guy with Troy Smith in his avatar. It was quite hilarious

[scrock]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1313983056' post='759514']
[b]I dont understand how people can think this kid is a bust after no offseason and two preseason games[/b]. Being a huge ravens fan for a long time i've gotten the sense we like rookies to learn by throwing them into the fire. Some succeed (Flacco, Reed, Lewis, suggs, ngata to name a few) and some fail (kyle boller and travis taylor). As we've seen most of these guys succeed under the ravens front office and coaching staff and very few fail. Torrey smith is a great character kid who helped take care of his mother and 6 siblings as a kid. You know this kid wants to work hard and has the character and work ethic to get it done. I cant believe the NFL has progressed to a time where if a rookie doesnt succeed in half a preseason in a LOCKOUT year he is a bust. This kid has one intangible you cant teach, speed. You can teach him to cut harder and work on his hands (which already seem to be okay) and his timing with flacco will follow with experience. He's a great kid with great potential and i trust that ozzie didnt pick this kid in the second round for nothing
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its called unrealistic expectations, unfortunately more than a few Ravens fans and fans in general have them

[Raving_Heathen]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313889242' post='758494']


Cmon man. He has yet to even take a single snap in a regular season game. Now, 3 years from now, there is a real good chance that he's another Clayton, but it is beyond hatin' to call him a bust already.
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Not to get off topic, but I don't think Mark Clayton was a bust. I don't know if you can call a receiver picked #22 a bust. He was pretty productive overall considering where he was drafted, and he made some big, big catches every season for the team. I think maybe he was a victim of too much QB-turnover.

I mean if you consider that guys like Roddy White and Vincent Jackson (and Aaron Rodgers... good God almighty) were still available when the Ravens picked up Clayton, then yes Clayton was a phenomenal bust, but lots of teams whiffed on them too.

[yooon]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1313888945' post='758488']

I wholeheartedly agree.........Torrey Smith = bust to me so far
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already?
harshhh

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1313986091' post='759540']

Not to get off topic, but I don't think Mark Clayton was a bust. I don't know if you can call a receiver picked #22 a bust. He was pretty productive overall considering where he was drafted, and he made some big, big catches every season for the team. I think maybe he was a victim of too much QB-turnover.

I mean if you consider that guys like Roddy White and Vincent Jackson (and Aaron Rodgers... good God almighty) were still available when the Ravens picked up Clayton, then yes Clayton was a phenomenal bust, but lots of teams whiffed on them too.
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I don't think you draft a WR in the first round with the hope that he becomes your number two behind an ageing, undersized possession receiver.

[Gordo52]

I wanted Hankerson really bad but Torrey I think can be good for us. I mean hes fast. And speed kills. Just having him on the field and going deep is good. He would probably be matched against a 3rd or 4th CB and S. I think he and Evans could be just alike.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1313932566' post='758814']

And Im not surprised by this comment. I mean, he is certainly a bust. If you can't shine in the first two preseason games, its a wrap! You're done! Pack 'em up and go home!!
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Well that's your opinion, but I think it's too early to make such lofty claims a person can't be a "bust" until after 3 years in my opinion. Year one is learning adapting, year 2 a players should already know the system and concepts ( assuming no coaching changes), year 3 if the player hasn't already displayed their skills and potential it's time to put up show up.
Sure there are exceptions where players are completely underperforming, but coaching plays a role also...
Torrey has played 2 preseason games with no offseason practing or coaching, was covered by pretty good corners in Asomugha , rodgers-cromartie, Samuel, then B.Carr and B.Flowers.
I'm not sure what people are expecting him to do in preseason games with limited snaps it's not like he played entire games. In the regular season he will be covered by 3rd, 4th and even safeties in the slot....

[jdynamite]

Ppl calling Torrey a bust is not surprising to me, because on here fans were calling kindle a bust before he ever got on the field. They call Kruger a bust also ( but Kruger just hasn't seen many snaps to know if he can produce in the regular season)

Every young player is not going to burst on the scene like clay Matthews or Brian orakpo and get double-digit sacks. Or get in like mike Wallace or Desean Jackson and show how speed kills early and often. Some times in takes a little time to develop.

[BloodRaven]

I'm praying Evans doesn't lose his speed as he ages, Smith is looking a long way from being ready.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1314001983' post='759609']


Well that's your opinion, but I think it's too early to make such lofty claims a person can't be a "bust" until after 3 years in my opinion. Year one is learning adapting, year 2 a players should already know the system and concepts ( assuming no coaching changes), year 3 if the player hasn't already displayed their skills and potential it's time to put up show up.
Sure there are exceptions where players are completely underperforming, but coaching plays a role also...
Torrey has played 2 preseason games with no offseason practing or coaching, was covered by pretty good corners in Asomugha , rodgers-cromartie, Samuel, then B.Carr and B.Flowers.
I'm not sure what people are expecting him to do in preseason games with limited snaps it's not like he played entire games. In the regular season he will be covered by 3rd, 4th and even safeties in the slot....
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Turn your sarcasm meter on....even if you just click it over for a second, it should go off!

[Kwothdaraven]

Aj green only caught one pass last night, he mist be a bust! Give the man a break.

From what I saw, he beat nnamdi a few times. We just didn't get him the ball

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1314016562' post='759660'] Turn your sarcasm meter on....even if you just click it over for a second, it should go off![/quote]

Some people just can't see it. That's why sometimes I use emotes (usually roll eyes) so people know I'm being sarcastic.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1313983340' post='759519']
I too hated the Torrey pick at first (REALLY wanted Greg Little), but that's beside the point. He's a rookie receiver playing in his 2nd live NFL game. Give him a bit of time to get assimilated with the playbook (no matter how idiotic that playbook is, sorry, can't post about the offense without mentioning a certain someone's ineptness) and get his feet wet a little bit before calling him a bust
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I semi-liked the pick because so many mock drafts had us taking him in the 1st round so I began to dislike him because I didn't feel he was 1st round quality but in the 2nd I had no issues with drafting him. But I felt like with Randall Cobb on the board still it would grabbed him.
It was a toss up only time will tell

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313983148' post='759516']
I think David Reed should be the 3rd WR, he's farther along than Doss or Torrey
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Agreed, Boldin, Evans, and D Reed could be a really nice combination. I love the potential of a 3WR set with those guys in there, speed options and physical possession receiver. Joe needs the opportunity to throw down field more and I hope we see that this year.

WR 1 Boldin
WR 2 Evans
WR 3 Reed

Yes, please.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313983148' post='759516']
I think David Reed should be the 3rd WR, he's farther along than Doss or Torrey
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I think David Reed compliments Boldin and Evans, since he can go over the middle and over the top. Where as Smith and Doss are a little more predictable.

And williams? Really? I'm sure if Torry were playing against 4th stringers he'd look good too.

[colljb9]

To the guy who said we should have drafted Hankerson, being from northern Virginia the redskins games are always on so i watched their last preseason game...Hankerson is terrible, ive watched both their preseason games and ive seen him drop at least 5 passes. Id much rather have a natural speed guy with decent hands we need to teach routes and cuts to then a more polished wide reciever who just cant catch. Some people believe he may not even make the team right now because the redskins i guess are "deep" at wide receiver this year

[Alexir]

Again, these young guys have barely had a real training camp/ off season and are getting thrown into the fire of teams with pretty good secondaries. Torrey is too much of a hard worker to fail. Sometimes I wish we would just go 5-11 again just so we can lose some of these bandwagon fans who are spoiled by success....

[colljb9]

Did anyone watch smith every play he was in? Because if you did and went back and watched the games at your own pace you'd notice something. Im not saying im a coach or watched every play but the plays i did watch went a little something like this.

Game 1- smith beat Nnamdi a few times but flacco wasnt looking his way, some may disagree but with Smith's speed, open is just having a step with a well thrown ball

Game 2- Anyone notice who was in the endzone with i believe Parmele's touchdown run...Smith was blocking the entire way downfield...Anyone notice when leach caught the ball and destroyed the chiefs linebacker and Smith immediately upon the catch turned upfield looking for someone to block?


While we knew what we were getting in a speedster with decent hands and an unpolished route runner, this kid is already working hard in other aspects of the game

[scrock]

A lot of guys are rushing to judgement on Torrey because he hasn't made any plays in the preseason, but again its the preseason, he's learning an offense that takes time, there was no offseason so he's behind, realistically its going to take him a while to get caught up, to adapt to the NFL game..he wasnt a finished product coming out of college, I think he'll eventually be ready and making plays, he's got the speed and his hands are pretty good...he's no bust, give him 2 years before u even say that

[Alexir]

AJ Green had one catch last night on 5 targets.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314029226' post='759775']
A lot of guys are rushing to judgement on Torrey because he hasn't made any plays in the preseason, but again its the preseason, he's learning an offense that takes time, there was no offseason so he's behind, realistically its going to take him a while to get caught up, to adapt to the NFL game..he wasnt a finished product coming out of college, I think he'll eventually be ready and making plays, he's got the speed and his hands are pretty good...he's no bust, give him 2 years before u even say that
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Pretty much exactly what I was thinking, and with Evans on the team now we have the luxury of not having to rely on rookies making huge impacts their first year. Just think how good our WR group will be in a year or two as the new guys get up to speed

[ravensfan...mostly lewis]

This topic has gone as far as it can go. For those of who claiming he's a bust and destined to fail...well you simply can't possibly know that and it's ridiculous to even say at this point, it's just spreading negativity for no reason. The kids got a chance like any other receiver. As far as I'm concerned, it's a luxury to have him in the position that he's in. He has time to learn the game while still getting chances to show his stuff. Rather have him on the team than not.

Good on anybody that knows better than to whine about a rookie receivers lack of production in the catch department after the first two pre-season games lined up against the #1-2 cb's of other teams. Guaranteed he will catch a td pass eventually and people will start to wonder if they were wrong. It's not like he's just a black hole that won't have any bright spots whatsoever, and I would consider that near the worst case scenario based on what I've seen.

[Free Agent]

The lack of production out of Torrey Smith in two preseason games isn't enough to label him a bust. If he gets some good passes thrown at him, Im sure he will be able to make plays. After all, its still the preseason.

[bscott57]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313889242' post='758494']


Cmon man. He has yet to even take a single snap in a regular season game. Now, 3 years from now, there is a real good chance that he's another Clayton, but it is beyond hatin' to call him a bust already.
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Lets hope he is Clayton and not Travis Taylor....

[mhead66]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1314043648' post='760067']

[b]Lets hope he is Clayton[/b] and not Travis Taylor....
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I think we can aim higher in our Hope-Meter than that...

I believe Torrey will develop into a viable receiver. He has the raw ability, he just needs time and seasoning.

[Ronthekeys]

Cam said that David Reed is ahead of the rookies receivers because he knows the offense.1winningdrive tweeted. It's looks like he may win the 3rd spot.