(Torrey) Smith Is A Project WR Compared To Reed/Doss/Williams

[neoi78]

From what I have seen in these preseason games - Torrey Smith is a project WR compared to Reed/Doss/Williams.

As of right now its Q as #1 and Evans as #2. I would like Doss as our #3 WR. I have posted another thread with similar title a week ago but this is an updated opinion. (I know Smith is more of a vertical threat, while Doss is a possesion WR.)

Watching the past 2 preseason games I just dont think Torrey has the natural ability that Doss does, or rather, the gift to mentality assimilate to the NFL within the next 3 weeks like Doss does.

And even Reed showed last night he can truely be a deep threat - helping him is having 1 year under his belt compared to the rookies. Williams is the wild-card, that is, if he will even make the team.

Flacco looked pretty bad vs Chiefs, so Im willing to give my opinion 2 more weeks to live itself out, but I do believe Doss is further along in his game IQ, and would offer more to the offense vs the Steelers week 1. That is truely why I am pressing this issue. I dont see Smith being a HUGE factor vs the Steelers (or early in the season) if his game doesnt improve over the course of the last 2 preseason games.

Ugh. Sorry if I am repeating myself.


So Im assuming it will be (or I would prefer it to be):

Boldin/Evans/Doss/Smith-Reed/Williams

I am not AGAINST Smith, dont get me wrong. I am all for him, he seems like a great guy. I hope he proves me wrong and streaks down the field for a TD next week. We'll see.

[jimmysmith3]

Well I think it's a little early to be calling him a project. He has had some plays in the past couple games where he has been open but Flacco couldn't get the ball to him. There was a play last night where he was wide open and Flacco just completely blew the throw. I wouldn't be too worried yet, he hasn't dropped a ball either so you really can't judge his hands yet.

[jimmysmith3]

You also have to look at the fact that he was playing against 1's this week and the first week he was matched up with Nnamdi for a bit. The Chiefs also have a great secondary so it's not something I would lose sleep over. This week we play the Redskins so that's be a bit easier to judge because he'll have lesser skilled corners covering him.

[TDubbs]

Doss does seem to have the mental part of the game down better. He runs efficient routes and reads the zones well and adjusts. Hes got exceptional hands and is great at catching in traffic from what I have seen. Hes a prototype of a possession receiver... he looks to be in the mold of a Mason. `T.D` is a baller and its obvious why Flacco chose, or at least had a hand in drafting him.

Ive been a fan of LaQuan so far. Hes made some sick catches and hes very explosive. I like his potential as a receiver. Id like to keep him as he has shown good ability in the return game. Id rather see him returning punts rather then LWebb. David Reed may get some snaps this year. Hes got a great down field presence. Rebounded well from adversity after he dropped his first pass he made some excellent plays. Id like to see more of what he can do.

I have great faith in Torrey Smith, but Im soooooo glad we brought in Evans to relieve the pressure. He is a very smart guy... dedicated player. Not having otas and all that I think really set his progression back... just as much as anyone else I suppose. I love his potential. Elite burner, and he has shown the willingness to go into traffic. I agree that he probably wont see many snaps Week 1 and that Doss is a better option at this time for that game (again we will see how the next few games go). But overall Im excited for what I think Torrey can do for this offense, he is driven to make a difference. If anything... if hes not being used in the passing game I could see him competing for some kick returns and being explosive in that.

[bmore187]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1313888142' post='758476']
From what I have seen in these preseason games - Torrey Smith is a project WR compared to Reed/Doss/Williams.

As of right now its Q as #1 and Evans as #2. I would like Doss as our #3 WR. I have posted another thread with similar title a week ago but this is an updated opinion. (I know Smith is more of a vertical threat, while Doss is a possesion WR.)

Watching the past 2 preseason games I just dont think Torrey has the natural ability that Doss does, or rather, the gift to mentality assimilate to the NFL within the next 3 weeks like Doss does.

And even Reed showed last night he can truely be a deep threat - helping him is having 1 year under his belt compared to the rookies. Williams is the wild-card, that is, if he will even make the team.

Flacco looked pretty bad vs Chiefs, so Im willing to give my opinion 2 more weeks to live itself out, but I do believe Doss is further along in his game IQ, and would offer more to the offense vs the Steelers week 1. That is truely why I am pressing this issue. I dont see Smith being a HUGE factor vs the Steelers (or early in the season) if his game doesnt improve over the course of the last 2 preseason games.

Ugh. Sorry if I am repeating myself.


So Im assuming it will be (or I would prefer it to be):

Boldin/Evans/Doss/Smith-Reed/Williams

I am not AGAINST Smith, dont get me wrong. I am all for him, he seems like a great guy. I hope he proves me wrong and streaks down the field for a TD next week. We'll see.
[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree.........Torrey Smith = bust to me so far

[flynismo]

Yeah I think we all knew before the draft that Torrey is going to take some time. Certainly no one expects anything huge from him as a rookie. And although I did not like the Torrey pick, it is clear that he has all the intangibles in the world to be successful.

[flynismo]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1313888945' post='758488']

I wholeheartedly agree.........Torrey Smith = bust to me so far
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Cmon man. He has yet to even take a single snap in a regular season game. Now, 3 years from now, there is a real good chance that he's another Clayton, but it is beyond hatin' to call him a bust already.

[PuRock]

[quote name='jimmysmith3' timestamp='1313888671' post='758483']
You also have to look at the fact that he was playing against 1's this week and the first week he was matched up with Nnamdi for a bit. The Chiefs also have a great secondary so it's not something I would lose sleep over. This week we play the Redskins so that's be a bit easier to judge because he'll have lesser skilled corners covering him.
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Exactly. Not sure how Doss is going to fare against the ones. But you have to look at the competition. Plus our line hasn't exactly been stellar the first two games. Flacco hasn't had much time to work on the timing with Torrey.

I wouldn't say he's a project at all. He's a rookie being thrown to the wolves (before Evans).

[BMORElegacy]

I agree with Fly, I literally screamed at my TV when we picked Torrey, but I like the kid. He has a lot of work to do but the one thing you can't coach is intangibles.

[izvoodoo]

I'm not surprised, it's hard to get the ball to a guy running out routes and sevens. I think mid season he'll be able to get there.

Keep in mind, no one drafts a deep threat to pick up yards, they do it so that teams play off the ball and safeties play deep.

[bmore187]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313889242' post='758494']


Cmon man. He has yet to even take a single snap in a regular season game. Now, 3 years from now, there is a real good chance that he's another Clayton, but it is beyond hatin' to call him a bust already.
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man i have the right to have an opinion......Torrey has not impressed me in the least bit sorry ........he looks slow too, wheres the speed?

[PeRK82]

Honestly i like Laq. Williams as the number 3 guy, the man can play. You can see it, if we cut him another team is going to pick him up and blow it up.

[flynismo]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1313889520' post='758507']

man i have the right to have an opinion......Torrey has not impressed me in the least bit sorry ........he looks slow too, wheres the speed?
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He hasn't impressed me (on the field) yet either. I'm not the least bit surprised by that. And if you were around here during the draft, you'd know that I was absolutely disgusted with the fact that we took Torrey. But I'm not going to ride his <butt> over a few series in the preseason; especially when one of those games he had to line up against Nnamdi. Give the guy some time. Even if he is horrible as a rookie, I won't call him a bust, because I know that a guy as raw as he is will need 2, maybe even 3 years before we see what he can really do.
And for the record, this is coming from the guy (me) who calls Torrey the "next Bernard Berrian".

[T-ray]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1313890036' post='758521']
Honestly i like Laq. Williams as the number 3 guy, the man can play. You can see it, if we cut him another team is going to pick him up and blow it up.
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Thats a little too much for him IMO. He's looked great, but its been against 3rd string/PS players. Doss needs to be our 3 guy, Smith the 4, and Williams the 5.

[PuRock]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1313889520' post='758507']

man i have the right to have an opinion......Torrey has not impressed me in the least bit sorry ........he looks slow too, wheres the speed?
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That's because he is running slow. He's over thinking what he needs to do at the cost of speed. He needs to learn to rely upon his speed. If he doesn't, he's not what he's suppose to be in the NFL.

I'm not a Torrey fan and was a bit disappointed in the pick. But I am however willing to give it some time.

[BaltimoreBean]

[quote name='T-ray' timestamp='1313890169' post='758524']


Thats a little too much for him IMO. He's looked great, but its been against 3rd string/PS players. Doss needs to be our 3 guy, Smith the 4, and Williams the 5.
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People keep forgetting about David Reed. I can't wait to see him in a regular game. Impressed me last night. He very well could be the #3. Def ahead of Williams.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1313890632' post='758538']
People keep forgetting about David Reed. I can't wait to see him in a regular game. Impressed me last night. He very well could be the #3.
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Finally, another Reed groupie!!
I love this kid. Sadly for him, he will see very little action on offense this season; which is a shame, because he reminds me of Mase in his prime!

[neoi78]

[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1313890632' post='758538']
People keep forgetting about David Reed. I can't wait to see him in a regular game. Impressed me last night. He very well could be the #3. Def ahead of Williams.
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I agree. It SHOULD be Doss, Reed/Smith, and then Williams. Williams doesnt showcase the elusive speed that Reed and Smith can bring to the table. I wasnt a huge Reed fan untill last night. The guy can play, AND he has a year under his belt.

And I believe your right, I never considered Reed could very well take the 3rd spot BECAUSE of his speed

[BaltimoreBean]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313890755' post='758540']



Finally, another Reed groupie!!
I love this kid. Sadly for him, he will see very little action on offense this season; which is a shame, because he reminds me of Mase in his prime!
[/quote]

I hope he sees PT. I've read the coaches think highly of him. The dude has speed, good hands, and he's very elusive. He just got off the PUP a couple days ago and started making plays as soon as he got out there last night. It's hard to judge him against PS players, which is why I really want to see what he can do with the 1st team O.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1313888945' post='758488']

I wholeheartedly agree.........Torrey Smith = bust to me so far
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Do you realize what a small sample size two preseason games is? I'm sorry, but what you just said is truly absurd. You have the right to the opinion (obviously), but that doesn't mean it's not ridiculous.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313890755' post='758540']
Finally, another Reed groupie!!
I love this kid. Sadly for him, he will see very little action on offense this season; which is a shame, because he reminds me of Mase in his prime!
[/quote]

You guys are groupies? Count me in. I really wanted Doss before the draft. I'm proud to say I predicted we'd take him, while I was also bashing the organization and fans for taking the hometown hero Torrey Smith. It's still too early to say he's not living up to expectations. Torrey is really right where he should be whereas Doss is just a boss.

[jimmysmith3]

Ya I think David Reed would be an ideal guy as a slot. He seems very similar to Wes Welker because he's small and extremely quick with excellent hands. I could see him sneak into that 3rd spot ahead of Doss in some sets where we want to utilize his quickness against maybe a bigger, slower Linebacker. very excited for this guy as well. Looked great even though he missed so much time and only had a week of practice to shake off the rust. Albeit he was against 3rd stringers.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1313888142' post='758476']
From what I have seen in these preseason games - Torrey Smith is a project WR compared to Reed/Doss/Williams.

As of right now its Q as #1 and Evans as #2. I would like Doss as our #3 WR. I have posted another thread with similar title a week ago but this is an updated opinion. (I know Smith is more of a vertical threat, while Doss is a possesion WR.)

Watching the past 2 preseason games I just dont think Torrey has the natural ability that Doss does, or rather, the gift to mentality assimilate to the NFL within the next 3 weeks like Doss does.

And even Reed showed last night he can truely be a deep threat - helping him is having 1 year under his belt compared to the rookies. Williams is the wild-card, that is, if he will even make the team.

Flacco looked pretty bad vs Chiefs, so Im willing to give my opinion 2 more weeks to live itself out, but I do believe Doss is further along in his game IQ, and would offer more to the offense vs the Steelers week 1. That is truely why I am pressing this issue. I dont see Smith being a HUGE factor vs the Steelers (or early in the season) if his game doesnt improve over the course of the last 2 preseason games.

Ugh. Sorry if I am repeating myself.


So Im assuming it will be (or I would prefer it to be):

Boldin/Evans/Doss/Smith-Reed/Williams

I am not AGAINST Smith, dont get me wrong. I am all for him, he seems like a great guy. I hope he proves me wrong and streaks down the field for a TD next week. We'll see.
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You seem to be forgetting that Smith is going against starting CB's when he is in the game. The other guys are either the 3rd or 4th WR with the first team or starting against the 2nd or 3rd teamers. I agree that we will probably get more production out of Doss this year but I wouldn't call Smith a project.

[butter192]

Whatever! Torrey Smith was a bad pick and it is showing. Put Q #1, Lee #2, Doss #3, Reed #4, and dump torrey smith now!

[sozo91]

To be fair, he played against 1s while Williams and Reed played against 3s. I would also like to imagine that more or less every rookie starts out as a project and it is unfair to expect refined, veteran play coming out of a shortened offseason. I think there is a degree of disappointment surrounding him though, which is set forth by a two-fold set of unrealistic expectations:

1. He was a second round draft pick coming into a team with a seemingly dearth of wide receiver options, so it was a matter of [i]need[/i] not want for him to be successful.
2. Some of his fellow rookies have been complete studs. I don't know if any other team is amazed by the collective ability of their rookies as we are of J. Smith, Doss, Reid (not fully there yet, but he's improving quite a bit), McPhee, Allen, and Williams (granted Allen and Williams played against 3s)

Either way, this is a win-win. He can develop at his own pace under great tutelage of Evans and we have a lot of talent at wide receiver.

I am also going to make a bold prediction that by midseason, our offensive line will become a Ravens' strength, not a weakness like everyone suggests. Reid is continuing to develop at a great pace. Oher is cutting down on mistakes. Then with Grubbs, Yanda, and Birk, our starting line will be in fine shape. I don't even mind Mattison as a backup.

[ghost1986]

Yeah I agree on David Reed. And with the touchback rule, Reed will probably get more reps as a receiver. I think it's too early to tell about Torrey Smith being a bust. I would have liked a pass rusher in the 2nd, but we got a steal with Pernell McPhee in the 5th. Everyone has their opinion though.

[mhead66]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1313893164' post='758579']
Yeah I agree on David Reed. And with the touchback rule, Reed will probably get more reps as a receiver. [size=5][b]I think it's too early to tell about Torrey Smith being a bust.[/b][/size] I would have liked a pass rusher in the 2nd, but we got a steal with Pernell McPhee in the 5th. Everyone has their opinion though.
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Absolutely.

Through two PRESEASON games, Torrey Smith has 1 reception. Wow... Titus Young, 2nd round WR from Detroit, has ZERO receptions in 2 games. I'm certain they're ready to release him... [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/huh.png[/img]

Of course, TE Kris Wilson has 4 receptions for 36 yards. Ed Dickson has one catch for 4 yards. Hence, it's certain that Wilson will start vs Pittsburgh.

LaQuan Williams has 4 receptions for 84 yards, and Q only has 2 - 27 - 0. Tyrod Taylor is completing 61.5 % of his passes, Flacco 50%. Parmele has 53 yards rushing, Rice 51...

It's [b]ludicrous[/b] to say Torrey Smith is a "bust" after 2 preseason games in his rookie year...

[CorvusCorax]

Let's see how the 3rd preseason game pans out. I really feel that the lack of offseason OTAs and minicamps really put a hinderance on Smith's and Doss' progression. I'd like to see more of Reed, Smith and Doss and I'm sure I will.

[PuRock]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1313894455' post='758598']
Absolutely.

Through two PRESEASON games, Torrey Smith has 1 reception. Wow... Titus Young, 2nd round WR from Detroit, has ZERO receptions in 2 games. I'm certain they're ready to release him... [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/huh.png[/img]

Of course, TE Kris Wilson has 4 receptions for 36 yards. Ed Dickson has one catch for 4 yards. Hence, it's certain that Wilson will start vs Pittsburgh.

LaQuan Williams has 4 receptions for 84 yards, and Q only has 2 - 27 - 0. Tyrod Taylor is completing 61.5 % of his passes, Flacco 50%. Parmele has 53 yards rushing, Rice 51...

It's [b]ludicrous[/b] to say Torrey Smith is a "bust" after 2 preseason games in his rookie year...
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Its all a matter of 'what have you done for me lately'. Everybody sees LaQuan and Reed tear it up against poor competition. On fire. They must be awesome against the first teamers. I wish we could watch all these guys on a much more even playing field.

I do think Torrey needs work. He is running slow. But I think most of these guys need just as much work.

[Alexir]

Torrey will be fine. The kid did go up against some good secondaries. He will get his separation down. With the lack of a real off season, I am not worried.