Something Unmentioned (Preseason Week 2)

[The Raven]

I think Cam called a fantastic game last night! I think he really used players in the roles that they should be. I loved the playcalling. I think now that he has some speed in his offense, that his offense will not be quite the failure it was last year.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Aside from sending Boldin on that deep post, I agree completely

[RAYvenFan20]

completely agree, i was actually excited about thee play calling, first time in a while

[The Raven]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1313873223' post='758270']
Aside from sending Boldin on that deep post, I agree completely
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While Boldin is not a deep threat, he was open on that route, and he can't make a playbook that exclusively sends him on short to intermediate routes. He's a beast over the middle, even when deep.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Minus the stupid pitch to Ricky Williams, I agree

[Milton145]

I said this in the game thread, but I'm loving the bunch formation he was using.

[JHarris]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1313873223' post='758270']
Aside from sending Boldin on that deep post, I agree completely
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That was exactly what I was thinking. With Evans and Smith on the field why sen Boldin deep.

[xxhighriser]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1313873223' post='758270']
Aside from sending Boldin on that deep post, I agree completely
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yet Boldin still got over the safety and was 1 step away from a TD. people are downing on this play too much, i have no problem with Boldin going deep at all, he's not that slow, Evans is just faster.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='JHarris' timestamp='1313873722' post='758284']
That was exactly what I was thinking. With Evans and Smith on the field why sen Boldin deep.
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i just dont think he wants to show too much of his hand by putting lee deep, some people think hes lost a yard, the ravens will know from practice he hasnt, cam might want to try and catch the steelers off guard, watch for lee going deep early on against the steelers hoping they might not respect lee enough and try for one on one.. but if they throw lee deep in preseason too much, the steelers will be ready and will gameplan for it and that reduces his effectivness, but at the same time will open up more lanes up the middle

[scrock]

Our offense would have looked a lot better if Joe wasn't having an off night, two times he let the ball slip out on pump fakes? Or he tried to pull it back in too late in the wind up...off night for Joe, otherwise our offense would have really been clicking.

Its going to be a good year for the offense as long as the OL can protect the QB

[bmore187]

I too loved the playcalling. Now if Flacco can execute the plays?[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img]

[ghost1986]

Yeah I think Flacco needs to get used to all of his weapons. The only call I didn't like was the pitch to Ricky Williams. I wish they had used Evans for that pass instead of Boldin, but you have to remember that he went deep quite a bit last year. And you can tell Qadry Ismail was a WR because he was constantly asking for Cam to use Lee Evans. First on that deep pass to Boldin and again on the Ricky Williams toss.

[dontbnvus]

The Boldin deep play was a fantastic play that worked ALMOST flawlessly. The play fake did its job to draw the safety and Boldin had a step on the corner. The pass was actually beautiful as well. It was missed by like a step. We were in a double tight end set showing run all the way. The play is designed to give Boldin a assist in getting the defense to bite on the play action. Boldin being the WR in on that formation also makes sense. He has shown to be a very good down field blocker to assist in the run game. Having a nice power run game will open plays like that up all year.

[The King]

People getting down on the Boldin deep route need to watch the play and see how open he was. I think that is partially because people know Boldin is mostly an intermediate range player, so when he goes charging deep it can be a surprise to the defense. We've all been asking for creativity in the play calling. Now that we have players with real, differentiable skill sets he can be creative. When you have three possession receivers you game plan for one and you only need to minorly tweak for the others; their play is somewhat interchangeable. Now that we have some speed guys we can change it up.

And I'm lovin' it.

[PuRock]

I never judge a cord in the PS. There isn't gameplanning, plays are hidden. The plays he called last night might disappear when the regular season comes. He might be more aggressive when the games don't matter, then goes into a shell when they do.

I'm waiting until the start of the regular season to pass judgement on Cam.

[ravensdfan]

Overall I'd give Cam a C+, maybe a B-. Sorry but Boldin is not your speedster. With Evans and Reed at hand there is no reason to send Boldin on a deep route. I am still uncertain if Flacco overthrew him or Boldin just was not quick enough to be where Joe expected him to be. Hated the pitch to Williams at that time in the game as well. I was pleased for the most part though. I hope this continues into the season and is not just a pre-season thing because the games do not matter and once they do, Cam goes back to his play not to lose philosophy.

[neoi78]

I agree with you,the playcalling was more efficient this game.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313873169' post='758268']
I think Cam called a fantastic game last night! I think he really used players in the roles that they should be. I loved the playcalling. I think now that he has some speed in his offense, that his offense will not be quite the failure it was last year.
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I have to disagree , it was the same old , same old. I did see a play 4 wr set, the one where Boldin caught it up the middle that i liked alot. Other than that same 2 WR sets, whats the point of having all these WR when you arnt going to use them because of the play calling

[PuRock]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1313890404' post='758530']


I have to disagree , it was the same old , same old. I did see a play 4 wr set, the one where Boldin caught it up the middle that i liked alot. Other than that same 2 WR sets, whats the point of having all these WR when you arnt going to use them because of the play calling
[/quote]

Until we can feel confident in our O-Line enough, there won't be many 4 WR sets in your future. CBs could focus at being physical at the line while bringing a rush.

I wish we had a stellar O-Line. The offensive potential would be limitless. We wouldn't have to hinder out plays.

[PeRK82]

If we dont throw on Pitts. than Cam will never ever change. Thats the only way to beat them, dont just try and keep the game close because we all know how that ends up (even with a big lead).

[ravensfan2430]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1313886879' post='758451']
Overall I'd give Cam a C+, maybe a B-. Sorry but Boldin is not your speedster. With Evans and Reed at hand there is no reason to send Boldin on a deep route[b].[/b] I am still uncertain if Flacco overthrew him or Boldin just was not quick enough to be where Joe expected him to be. Hated the pitch to Williams at that time in the game as well. I was pleased for the most part though. I hope this continues into the season and is not just a pre-season thing because the games do not matter and once they do, Cam goes back to his play not to lose philosophy.
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Single coverage... Id tell Flacco to throw to him every time.

Flacco over threw him. Boldin was running full out the whole time, its Flacco job to hit him in stride.

[Gordo52]

Not sold yet

[hawkprey]

All offensive coordinators call plays in the preseason to test how their players handle them, not to win games. We'll see how he does when it really counts, and if he can finally adapt to opposing D-coordinators when they take away the plays he leans on.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1313885094' post='758431']
I never judge a cord in the PS. There isn't gameplanning, plays are hidden. The plays he called last night might disappear when the regular season comes. He might be more aggressive when the games don't matter, then goes into a shell when they do.

I'm waiting until the start of the regular season to pass judgement on Cam.
[/quote]

I totally agree with what you're saying. When real game starts, we'll see Cam is choking up or playing smart and aggressive.

[Ravensfan23]

I wouldn't put too much into the actual "play calls", be it good or bad. Someone mentioned the 3rd and short pitch was stupid, I disagree. Simple because in preseason is nothing more then a glorified practice. You wanna see what works well, what certain guys can do, and how well guys execute in certain situations.

If that was a real game the Ravens probably would have featured the run much more because they had good success with it, then the play action pass would have came in.

However it was just a opportunity to run some things against a Man heavy defense, nothing more, nothing less.

[The Raven]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1313890404' post='758530']


I have to disagree , it was the same old , same old. I did see a play 4 wr set, the one where Boldin caught it up the middle that i liked alot. Other than that same 2 WR sets, whats the point of having all these WR when you arnt going to use them because of the play calling
[/quote]

Nope. Same old, same old? Really? go watch last years Bengals game, and then this game, and tell me with a straight face its same old, same old. Boldin on crosses and slants? Cam actually utilizing crossing routes? That's a HUGE improvement. He actually used players to their strengths. Formations don't matter, what matters is the route, the combinations, and the proper usage of players, all of which improved. Aside from Boldin's deep post, which should have worked, what routes were porrly chosen/designed?

The point of having these WRs is NOT to run 4 WR sets, the point is hoping that at least one of them pans out and becomes a starter/contributor. Most teams carry a lot of WRs in camp, but who actually runs 4 WR sets for the majority of the plays? You cant sustain drives with a 4 WR set, it makes you one-dimensional. You can't run the ball out of it, so teams just drop back. Also, when the TEs and RBs do better than said WRs, why put WRs on the field when you get better production from the TEs? I think NE proved last year that TEs can match the production of slot receivers with Hernandez and the other dude.. Dickson and Pitta >Torrey and Tandon.

In short, 4 WR sets mean nothing, personnel, route selection, and route combinations mean a ton.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='xxhighriser' timestamp='1313873877' post='758288']
yet Boldin still got over the safety and was 1 step away from a TD. people are downing on this play too much, i have no problem with Boldin going deep at all, he's not that slow, Evans is just faster.
[/quote]

They don't want to admit Flacco missed throw... so they blame the play-calling for sending "the wrong guy" deep. How dare Cam Cameron call a play that got Boldin wide open behind the defense!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1313943128' post='758927']


They don't want to admit Flacco missed throw... so they blame the play-calling for sending "the wrong guy" deep. How dare Cam Cameron call a play that got Boldin wide open behind the defense!
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Plently of people (myself included) have said Flacco overthrew Boldin.

[littleray27]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313873169' post='758268']I think Cam called a fantastic game last night! I think he really used players in the roles that they should be. I loved the playcalling. I think now that he has some speed in his offense, that his offense will not be quite the failure it was last year.[/quote]

No doubt about it, and it figures Cam finally gets his big boy playbook out and then the players weren't in sync and on the same page lol. Oh well not mad at all, just figures it would happen that way. Just hope Cam keeps his big boy playbook out for the rest of the season...

[D-Rey]

There is a reason to send Boldin deep. With Evans and Smith on the team the defense might not expect it. If the defense doesn't expect it he could get open like he did. Too bad Flacco overthrew him. I'm confident he'll fix it though. Also remember, Boldin isn't as slow as Mase was. Boldin has some speed, just not a burner.