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[The Raven]

Really?! Another thread criticizing Flacco? Do people not like having a franchise QB?

[reediddy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313910166' post='758740']
Really?! Another thread criticizing Flacco? Do people not like having a franchise QB? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png[/img]
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Sad isn't it. Imagine having the instability that other teams like the Seahawks, Broncos, Bengals, etc have...then we'd be in some trouble. Otherwise you can't argue with 3 straight playoff appearances and wins

[poedacrow]

One of my best friends is a Cleveland Browns fan and man you should here him wail on his team! Complains about the coaches the owner the QB. Sounds like he hates them but he's there every Sunday rooting for his team. OP you've got a right to your concern...you wouldn't be a fan if you weren't a little worried.. But Flacco is a smart guy, talented, a competitor and he has the support of the Ravens coaches and players. Hate to sound like a cheerleader but I think he'll be fine...and so will the Ravens.

[BloodRaven]

Blame everyone but Flacco. He's elite.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1313926718' post='758779']
Blame everyone but Flacco. He's elite.
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You just like to make sideways comments with no substance whatsoever. No one is saying Flacco is elite. We all know he has his flaws and is progressing. Its just pathetic that some think he should be somewhere else in his development after 3 years.

[izoblue]

Speaking of Joe's old target Todd Heap who was wearing the number 86, more importantly why was he allowed to wear this. The Ravens should retire the number. Look how many Heap jerseys are around town, the number and the man should be respected by the Ravens front office.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1313868309' post='758179']
I guess Flacco will never improve huh...I guess QBs are typically done after three years. I guess he had his chance, had his prime, and blew it......

>[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sad.png[/img]

Unreal....
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That's funny... you seem fine with condemning other players after 3 years or less. And the thing is, a lot of those players can only succeed if the quarterback is doing his job. Don't be a hypocrite now. If Flacco, who plays the most important position on the field, is given more than 3 years. Why wouldn't a less-important position be given at least that amount of time?

[MsMarvel73]

Haters gonna hate, despite the fact that the offense hasn't had much time to work together because of the lockout.

*rolling eyes*

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1313933081' post='758820']
Haters gonna hate, despite the fact that the offense hasn't had much time to work together because of the lockout.

*rolling eyes*
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The Steelers(and every other team) have had the same amount of time to work as the Ravens, and they seemed to be able to score on Philly just fine.

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1313932467' post='758812']
You just like to make sideways comments with no substance whatsoever. No one is saying Flacco is elite. We all know he has his flaws and is progressing. Its just pathetic that some think he should be somewhere else in his development after 3 years.
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And on top of that, why does Flacco have to be elite? He's got potential still to get there. But its not easy finding an elite QB. What we have at the very least is a quarterback who wins games and is above the average. I don't know how you can't be happy with him considering the carousel we've had to endure over the course of our existence. Kordell, Tony Banks, Grbac, Boller, Aging McNair, Redman, etc.

[Purple Punishment]

the only concern i had with Flacco was when he scrambled out of the pocket on one play in the last game towards the sideline with one defender in front of him, he could have ran the ball for positive yardage but instead chose to just throw the ball away. He had an opportunity to run the ball for 5 yards quite easily. It is okay to run with the ball sometimes Joe. I'll never forget his first start as a rookie when he broke off that nice run!

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1313934384' post='758827']

And on top of that, why does Flacco have to be elite? He's got potential still to get there. But its not easy finding an elite QB. What we have at the very least is a quarterback who wins games and is above the average. I don't know how you can't be happy with him considering the carousel we've had to endure over the course of our existence. Kordell, Tony Banks, Grbac, Boller, Aging McNair, Redman, etc.
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Exactly! Whether you like him or hate him, Ben Roethlisberger is not an elite QB, but he finds a way to get it done. That is all we need with our talent. Our receiver corp is much stronger than Pittsburgh in my opinion. All we have to have is Joe [b]go through his progressions properly.[/b] He needs to work more at not looking at the same receiver the whole time coming off of the snap

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1313937692' post='758848']

Exactly! Whether you like him or hate him, Ben Roethlisberger is not an elite QB, but he finds a way to get it done. That is all we need with our talent. Our receiver corp is much stronger than Pittsburgh in my opinion. All we have to have is Joe [b]go through his progressions properly.[/b] He needs to work more at not looking at the same receiver the whole time coming off of the snap
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Going through his progressions properly had nothing to do with his lack of accuracy the other night. Flacco was just off, for 1 half of football It's a 60 minute game for a reason. QBs have a bad half of football only to turn it around in the second half all the time, or maybe struggle all 3 QBs and lead a game winning TD drive in the 4th. When a QB has an off day like that, it's all about fighting through and making a throw when your team needs it. Look at the Evans deep pass that lead to a TD drive.

It's really not a big deal. Every WR that Flacco missed was open, with means he read the defense and coverage right. He just missed the throw. Whether it was because of timing, just getting comfortable with everyone, having a basically new Oline, his wife keep him up late the night before, or he was just off, it really doesn't matter.

People put too much into preseason games every year, both good and bad. When Flacco missed a throw he took blame right on the spot, now if he attacked his WRs as if it was their fault then, that would have been worse imo.

If you listen to his post game comments, he talked about gaining trust with Lee Evans, and I can only assume that this is true for everyone else as well.

With the throw he missed to Dickson, it was a timing issue. Heap probably would have broke out of that route a different way then Dickson did. Even though it was poor placement of his throw, it could have been a situation where Dickson broke out of that route much faster then Heap ever did. So while a ball more towards the sidelines would have been out of Heap's reach, it would have been prefect for Dickson.

Preseason is where you work on that in game action, so when the Steelers come, you understand how Dickson comes out of his breaks.

Really the only missed pass I had an issue with was the missed 3rd down throw over the middle to Boldin. I didn't like that throw because it seemed rushed, even though Flacco had really good protection. It was almost like he didn't trust his protection. Also if you throw the ball behind a WR in the middle of the field, chances are, it's gonna be a pick and you're gonna get him killed.

But other then that, I really didn't have a issue with Joe, especially not to the point where I'm worried about him.

If Joe suddenly turn into a INT machine this preseason, then maybe it's time to worry. But he just missed a couple open WRs in one half of football. That's it

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1313940797' post='758885']

Going through his progressions properly had nothing to do with his lack of accuracy the other night. Flacco was just off, for 1 half of football It's a 60 minute game for a reason. QBs have a bad half of football only to turn it around in the second half all the time, or maybe struggle all 3 QBs and lead a game winning TD drive in the 4th. When a QB has an off day like that, it's all about fighting through and making a throw when your team needs it. Look at the Evans deep pass that lead to a TD drive.

It's really not a big deal. Every WR that Flacco missed was open, with means he read the defense and coverage right. He just missed the throw. Whether it was because of timing, just getting comfortable with everyone, having a basically new Oline, his wife keep him up late the night before, or he was just off, it really doesn't matter.

People put too much into preseason games every year, both good and bad. When Flacco missed a throw he took blame right on the spot, now if he attacked his WRs as if it was their fault then, that would have been worse imo.

If you listen to his post game comments, he talked about gaining trust with Lee Evans, and I can only assume that this is true for everyone else as well.

With the throw he missed to Dickson, it was a timing issue. Heap probably would have broke out of that route a different way then Dickson did. Even though it was poor placement of his throw, it could have been a situation where Dickson broke out of that route much faster then Heap ever did. So while a ball more towards the sidelines would have been out of Heap's reach, it would have been prefect for Dickson.

Preseason is where you work on that in game action, so when the Steelers come, you understand how Dickson comes out of his breaks.

Really the only missed pass I had an issue with was the missed 3rd down throw over the middle to Boldin. I didn't like that throw because it seemed rushed, even though Flacco had really good protection. It was almost like he didn't trust his protection. Also if you throw the ball behind a WR in the middle of the field, chances are, it's gonna be a pick and you're gonna get him killed.

But other then that, I really didn't have a issue with Joe, especially not to the point where I'm worried about him.

[b]If Joe suddenly turn into a INT machine this preseason, then maybe it's time to worry. But he just missed a couple open WRs in one half of football. That's it[/b]
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There's a certain somebody, not to mention any names. But he is number 7 and isn't liked by PETA very much who threw for 3 ints in the preseason against the Steelers. But I don't think anyone is going to get carried away and drastically worry about his performance for the regular season.

If this is how much criticism Flacco gets after this performance, he better not throw an incomplete pass or throw an interception EVER AGAIN!!! Troy Smith is still out there.......

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1313941340' post='758893']
There's a certain somebody, not to mention any names. But he is number 7 and isn't liked by PETA very much who threw for 3 ints in the preseason against the Steelers. But I don't think anyone is going to get carried away and drastically worry about his performance for the regular season.

If this is how much criticism Flacco gets after this performance, he better not throw an incomplete pass or throw an interception EVER AGAIN!!! Troy Smith is still out there.......
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Hey it's funny how people always frown on comparing Joe to some of the better QBs, but fail to acknowledge the fact that those guys struggle as well.

Look at Drew Brees performance this preseason. Nobody here would dare say that Brees is in for a terrible season, yet they'll compare what Colt McCoy is doing in the preseason to what Flacco is doing, and try to convince everyone that its time to worry.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1313868542' post='758182']

Yeah, who cares about the playoffs. It's preseason! And let's just move on, but only after you get out your little comments: "he sucked point blank," and "makes you look delusional." So embarrassing to be a Ravens fan sometimes.
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How so? Im stating the obvious, to be a fan you have to be hard on your teams shortcomings. Its necessary for growth and development. The man played bad last night.[b] (Yes) [/b] Do i think he will do better? ( Without a doubt!!) Fans that are embarrassed by facts are delusional.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1313941340' post='758893']
There's a certain somebody, not to mention any names. But he is number 7 and isn't liked by PETA very much who threw for 3 ints in the preseason against the Steelers. But I don't think anyone is going to get carried away and drastically worry about his performance for the regular season.

If this is how much criticism Flacco gets after this performance, he better not throw an incomplete pass or throw an interception EVER AGAIN!!! Troy Smith is still out there.......
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Would that be the same number seven that had stats as good as Flacco's after missing four games......wow. When number seven is struggling in the passing game, he could always kill you with his legs.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1313942936' post='758924']

Would that be the same number seven that had stats as good as Flacco's after missing four games......wow. When number seven is struggling in the passing game, he could always kill you with his legs.
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And its the same guy that threw a pick to end his teams playoff run.....who cares about Vick?

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1313943606' post='758930']

And its the same guy that threw a pick to end his teams playoff run.....who cares about Vick?
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got em coach..
All this hate is just sad.. Think im gonna rock my flacco jersey tonight cause i know what a great ypung player we have...
Those same haters will be on the bandwagon in about 4 months.. Thats just how it goes

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1313942725' post='758920']
How so? Im stating the obvious, to be a fan you have to be hard on your teams shortcomings. Its necessary for growth and development. The man played bad last night.[b] (Yes) [/b] Do i think he will do better? ( Without a doubt!!) Fans that are embarrassed by facts are delusional.
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What's embarrassing is that you said "who cares about the playoffs." And then you said "let's just move on," but only after you took your shots at Flacco. So basically, it's OK for you to rip on him, but everyone else should just move on. ????

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1313942936' post='758924']
Would that be the same number seven that had stats as good as Flacco's after missing four games......wow. When number seven is struggling in the passing game, he could always kill you with his legs.
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Is that the same number seven who threw 3 interceptions in ONE HALF!? If you're gonna go wild over preseason games, then you should take them all into account. Why did Vick look so bad against the Steelers? He couldn't use his legs to get out of anything either. Why?

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1313933235' post='758821']
The Steelers(and every other team) have had the same amount of time to work as the Ravens, and they seemed to be able to score on Philly just fine.
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You mean like the Redskins romped the Steelers in week 1? I guess they should be all worried about that too. What's with the selective memory of some people here?

[CapoRocky]

I think the O line looked remarkably better in this game compared to the previous one. Joe has started to move around in the pocket more rather than be a sitting duck for the blitz. I like the idea of the shotgun, too. Use it on third downs, but the down side is that it has a negative effect on the running game to be too far off the line of scrimmage. I love the new additions on offense. Leech is a beast. Williams is like adding Sharper in 2000. Evans is the real deal. He can run deep or catch the sideline out pattern. Thanks to the O line, Rice looked great when he cut back on that TD run. Let's hope that Evans stays healthy and Rice can re-establish his 1000 yard form. The main factor is to convince Flacco that Dickson and Pitta can carry the load when he needs to throw that clutch catch especially on third down or in the red zone. Go Ravens! Let's show the 'Skins that they are chumps.

[Ravensqueen]

What's up with Joe Facco? Friday he looked like his first preseaon game when he was a rookie. (SMH) If he doesn't get it together that rookie QB will be replacing him or the Ravens will get a veteran QB to replace him.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravensqueen' timestamp='1313945513' post='758970']
What's up with Joe Facco? Friday he looked like his first preseaon game when he was a rookie. (SMH) If he doesn't get it together that rookie QB will be replacing him or the Ravens will get a veteran QB to replace him.
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smh is right.. Smh that anyone could even jokingly say tyrod is gonna replace flacco

[Ngata92NT]

Guys, seriously, it's time to move on from Wacko. It's not like he's accomplished ANYTHING in his first three seasons. All I ever hear from you guys is "oh he's won 4 playoff games, oh he had the 2nd best QBR in the league after week 2". ONLY 4 PLAYOFFS WINS?! It's not like he won the superbowl or anything.

Let's face it, the guy sucks. His accuracy couldn't be more terrible if we blindfolded him and made him line up in the wrong direction. No arm strength at all, he barely throws 75 yards.

And now this is the last straw! TWO preseason games and no touchdowns! Wacko is so bad he can't even throw interceptions! Did you SEE John Beck last night? Now THAT'S a quarterback.

You Flacco supporters are just <NO NAME CALLING>l, can't you see that the last three seasons were all a fluke? If we didn't have the genius Cam Cameron and a phenomenal O-Line Flacco would've been the worst QB in league history by a wide margin. Now this season his luck has run out! It's obvious that if you can't perform in a preseason game, you're going to be awful in the regular season.

I say we trade for Troy Smith and run a 2QB set with Troy and Tyrod in the backfield. Now that's what I call "Organized Chaos" amiright?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravensqueen' timestamp='1313945513' post='758970']
What's up with Joe Facco? Friday he looked like his first preseaon game when he was a rookie. (SMH) If he doesn't get it together that rookie QB will be replacing him or the Ravens will get a veteran QB to replace him.
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Please confirm this was a joke.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1313945969' post='758984']
Guys, seriously, it's time to move on from Wacko. It's not like he's accomplished ANYTHING in his first three seasons. All I ever hear from you guys is "oh he's won 4 playoff games, oh he had the 2nd best QBR in the league after week 2". ONLY 4 PLAYOFFS WINS?! It's not like he won the superbowl or anything.

Let's face it, the guy sucks. His accuracy couldn't be more terrible if we blindfolded him and made him line up in the wrong direction. No arm strength at all, he barely throws 75 yards.

And now this is the last straw! TWO preseason games and no touchdowns! Wacko is so bad he can't even throw interceptions! Did you SEE John Beck last night? Now THAT'S a quarterback.

You Flacco supporters <>, can't you see that the last three seasons were all a fluke? If we didn't have the genius Cam Cameron and a phenomenal O-Line Flacco would've been the worst QB in league history by a wide margin. Now this season his luck has run out! It's obvious that if you can't perform in a preseason game, you're going to be awful in the regular season.

I say we trade for Troy Smith and run a 2QB set with Troy and Tyrod in the backfield. Now that's what I call "Organized Chaos" amiright?
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Ha, wasn't sure where you were headed with this until the 75 yard remark.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1313945969' post='758984']
Guys, seriously, it's time to move on from Wacko. It's not like he's accomplished ANYTHING in his first three seasons. All I ever hear from you guys is "oh he's won 4 playoff games, oh he had the 2nd best QBR in the league after week 2". ONLY 4 PLAYOFFS WINS?! It's not like he won the superbowl or anything.

Let's face it, the guy sucks. His accuracy couldn't be more terrible if we blindfolded him and made him line up in the wrong direction. No arm strength at all, he barely throws 75 yards.

And now this is the last straw! TWO preseason games and no touchdowns! Wacko is so bad he can't even throw interceptions! Did you SEE John Beck last night? Now THAT'S a quarterback.

You Flacco supporters<>l, can't you see that the last three seasons were all a fluke? If we didn't have the genius Cam Cameron and a phenomenal O-Line Flacco would've been the worst QB in league history by a wide margin. Now this season his luck has run out! It's obvious that if you can't perform in a preseason game, you're going to be awful in the regular season.

I say we trade for Troy Smith and run a 2QB set with Troy and Tyrod in the backfield. Now that's what I call "Organized Chaos" amiright?
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[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.png[/img] lol

[Alexir]

He is frustrating to watch but he is probably the best QB we have ever had. Yeah he overthrows the balls and makes stupid plays but it is what it is, he has also made some awesome plays. Do I think he is Top 5 QB? No Way. Is he elite? No way. But he puts us in a better position to win than other QBs in the league. Thankful we don't have Tavaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst.