Pernell McPhee is Impressive (Preseason Week 2)

[poedacrow]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1314102659' post='760770']
Im going out on a limb and saying, barring injury he will be the best player we took in that Draft,. He has things in his game, that coaches die for.
1. He works hard. Evidence was the sweat on the jersey.
2. Motor that does not stop when he gets knocked down. He got up and still made plays.
3.Heavy hands to keep the offensive guys from grabbing him. Wow
4. Text book tackling on a quarterback. He laid out, head up, with the shoulder in the numbers. Loved it.

We have to get this guy on the field this year! Oz and company did it again!
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Agree with you on all your points. He plays like...well like he really" means" it. If we do get him on the field I'm hoping he can cause a fumble that doesn't get called back. I was hoping Jimmy Smith would be the best out of this draft class but if he turns out that good I won't mind at all[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

[The Raven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1314088069' post='760708']

We don't run our defense out of a 3-4, we played 54% of our snaps out of a 4-3 which technically makes him a 4-3 DE. Pernell Mcphee is a lot of things but a two gapping 3-4 DE he clearly isn't.

Oh yeah, weight loss will make him quicker. Whoooosh.
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How dd you get that statistic? Was that from last season? First, we played a 4-3 alignment with 3-4 assignments if you want to debate that. Second, that was last season, if you've watched the preseason games AT ALL, you'd know Pagano is running a true blue, traditional 3-4 defense. Just watch the dang game and you'd know.

Actually, that's false. Do you watch the games? Suggs was actually standing up for a good portion of the game. Also, if you actually watched the game, you'd know that McPhee was playing the 3 tech the majority of the game, when he wasnt he was at the 5 or the 1. Neither of those positions are a 4-3 DE. How is he "clearly" not a two-gapping 3-4 DE? He is NOT a 4-3 DE, I don't even know where you got that idea. In fact, look at the depth chart, he is listed as the DE behind Redding and Art Jones. In our system, the 3-4 DEs slide inside on third down, playing either the 3tech, or the 1 tech. Don't tell me I'm wrong, because everyone and their mother knows it too.

And obviously weight loss will make him quicker, but if you wanna try and play DT/DE at 265, i wish you luck, your gonna get smacked.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1314108025' post='760838']
How dd you get that statistic? Was that from last season? First, we played a 4-3 alignment with 3-4 assignments if you want to debate that. Second, that was last season, if you've watched the preseason games AT ALL, you'd know Pagano is running a true blue, traditional 3-4 defense. Just watch the dang game and you'd know.

Actually, that's false. Do you watch the games? Suggs was actually standing up for a good portion of the game. Also, if you actually watched the game, you'd know that McPhee was playing the 3 tech the majority of the game, when he wasnt he was at the 5 or the 1. Neither of those positions are a 4-3 DE. How is he "clearly" not a two-gapping 3-4 DE? He is NOT a 4-3 DE, I don't even know where you got that idea. In fact, look at the depth chart, he is listed as the DE behind Redding and Art Jones. In our system, the 3-4 DEs slide inside on third down, playing either the 3tech, or the 1 tech. Don't tell me I'm wrong, because everyone and their mother knows it too.

And obviously weight loss will make him quicker, but if you wanna try and play DT/DE at 265, i wish you luck, your gonna get smacked.
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Look you don't get it, I'm not here to discuss anything with you, let alone alignments of a hybrid defense in transition that you've based on twos pre-season games when the original point I made was about him possibly dropping his extra baby weight to be the complement to Suggs.

Whoooooooosssssssssssh.

[Radinho84]

i would rather have him as a de than a olb/de hybrid. we tried that with kruger and it didn´t pan out very well...
why always transist players when you have them at a point where they can excell?

i also don´t think that he is carrying a lot of baby weight. for me he looks very strong and very cut...

[Radinho84]

never the less i think it will be art jones starting week one or redding. mcphee will be a situational weapon after all...

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1314174225' post='762162']
i would rather have him as a de than a olb/de hybrid. we tried that with kruger and it didn´t pan out very well...
why always transist players when you have them at a point where they can excell?

i also don´t think that he is carrying a lot of baby weight. for me he looks very strong and very cut...
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Krugers situation was the reverse, he went from linebacker to lineman back to linebacker to try and find out where he could play to his strengths. In two games Mcphee has flashed athleticism and a natural disruptive ability we don't have outside of Suggs, tell me if you think he would look as disruptive playing every snap being run at on the line.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1314179789' post='762178']

Krugers situation was the reverse, he went from linebacker to lineman back to linebacker to try and find out where he could play to his strengths. In two games Mcphee has flashed athleticism and a natural disruptive ability we don't have outside of Suggs, tell me if you think he would look as disruptive playing every snap being run at on the line.
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In hopes, McPhee would be more like a Trevor Pryce, Cullen Jenkins then a Lammar Woodley type. Therefore it's probably best to keep in inside, instead of moving him out.

I'm not saying if he is or isn't, but playing outside you need to be really strong athletically, and unless you are a guy like DeMarcus Ware, you need to be able to play run, pass and rush.

From what I've seen over the 2 game preseason, McPhee has so much success because he's quicker and stronger then most of the interior lineman trying to block him. Keep him on the inside of the defense, while guys like Suggs, Kindle, Kruger, and any blitzing DB comes from the outside.

If you move McPhee to the outside, his speed/.burst becomes more important then his quickness. On the inside, with a quick first step, you can gain an advantage over an Interior lineman and 9 times out of 10 if you beat him, you get to the QB. While on the outside, having a quick first step is great, but even if you beat the OT off the edge, you still have to account for the possible chip block, and most importantly, you have to be able to have the closing speed to get to the QB before the ball is thrown.

So saw last year how many almost sacks we nearly had, imo it's because we didn't utilize our outside rush potential well enough.

It's like the difference between a quality blitzer at the ILB position vs a OLB. You can look at a guy like Ellerbe and say, he appears to have some potential as far as being a strong blitzer from the inside. However you wouldn't really consider moving him to the OLB position because of that, he just wouldn't fit.

I'm not saying McPhee can't move to the outside because I just don't know. However as of right now, his comfort zone appears to be inside.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1314180944' post='762184']

In hopes, McPhee would be more like a Trevor Pryce, Cullen Jenkins then a Lammar Woodley type. Therefore it's probably best to keep in inside, instead of moving him out.

I'm not saying if he is or isn't, but playing outside you need to be really strong athletically, and unless you are a guy like DeMarcus Ware, you need to be able to play run, pass and rush.

From what I've seen over the 2 game preseason, McPhee has so much success because he's quicker and stronger then most of the interior lineman trying to block him. Keep him on the inside of the defense, while guys like Suggs, Kindle, Kruger, and any blitzing DB comes from the outside.

If you move McPhee to the outside, his speed/.burst becomes more important then his quickness. On the inside, with a quick first step, you can gain an advantage over an Interior lineman and 9 times out of 10 if you beat him, you get to the QB. While on the outside, having a quick first step is great, but even if you beat the OT off the edge, you still have to account for the possible chip block, and most importantly, you have to be able to have the closing speed to get to the QB before the ball is thrown.

So saw last year how many almost sacks we nearly had, imo it's because we didn't utilize our outside rush potential well enough.

It's like the difference between a quality blitzer at the ILB position vs a OLB. You can look at a guy like Ellerbe and say, he appears to have some potential as far as being a strong blitzer from the inside. However you wouldn't really consider moving him to the OLB position because of that, he just wouldn't fit.

I'm not saying McPhee can't move to the outside because I just don't know. However as of right now, his comfort zone appears to be inside.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1314179789' post='762178']

Krugers situation was the reverse, he went from linebacker to lineman back to linebacker to try and find out where he could play to his strengths. In two games Mcphee has flashed athleticism and a natural disruptive ability we don't have outside of Suggs, tell me if you think he would look as disruptive playing every snap being run at on the line.
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the quote before yours...

[The Raven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1314173668' post='762158']

Look you don't get it, I'm not here to discuss anything with you, let alone alignments of a hybrid defense in transition that you've based on twos pre-season games when the original point I made was about him possibly dropping his extra baby weight to be the complement to Suggs.

Whoooooooosssssssssssh.
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[i]The coaches seem pretty intent on using him as a DE[/i]. Suggs has JJ, Kindle, and Kruger to complement him, adding McPhee to that mix would just over-complicate things. Not to mention, McPhee provides solid depth at the DE position.

WHOOOSHHH [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Perfekt]

why cant we all just agree to be happy hes a part of the ravens organization because Ozzie is the Wiz! WHOOOOSSSSHHHHHHH

[colljb9]

Love mcphee, this guy has a serious motor and work ethic. He plays with a chip on his shoulder being a 5th round draft pick with 1-3 round talent (yes, some scouting reports did say late first round talent). Other reports said this guys production may have dropped off some at mississippi state BECAUSE they tried to play him both inside and on the outside. This guy is a defensive end and has no business playing on the outside. Not saying this is a ravens thing but every once in a while (i mean a very very limited amount of times) the ravens sometimes play players in no their best positions like bulking up kruger and moving him to DE or putting Oher at left tackle instead of keeping him at right. This guy is faster then many offensive linemen can handle and with pagano at the helm he will only improve. with kindle, kruger, and johnson we have no need for another outside linebacker

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1314180944' post='762184']

In hopes, McPhee would be more like a Trevor Pryce, Cullen Jenkins then a Lammar Woodley type. Therefore it's probably best to keep in inside, instead of moving him out.

I'm not saying if he is or isn't, but playing outside you need to be really strong athletically, and unless you are a guy like DeMarcus Ware, you need to be able to play run, pass and rush.

From what I've seen over the 2 game preseason, McPhee has so much success because he's quicker and stronger then most of the interior lineman trying to block him. Keep him on the inside of the defense, while guys like Suggs, Kindle, Kruger, and any blitzing DB comes from the outside.

If you move McPhee to the outside, his speed/.burst becomes more important then his quickness. On the inside, with a quick first step, you can gain an advantage over an Interior lineman and 9 times out of 10 if you beat him, you get to the QB. While on the outside, having a quick first step is great, but even if you beat the OT off the edge, you still have to account for the possible chip block, and most importantly, you have to be able to have the closing speed to get to the QB before the ball is thrown.

So saw last year how many almost sacks we nearly had, imo it's because we didn't utilize our outside rush potential well enough.

It's like the difference between a quality blitzer at the ILB position vs a OLB. You can look at a guy like Ellerbe and say, he appears to have some potential as far as being a strong blitzer from the inside. However you wouldn't really consider moving him to the OLB position because of that, he just wouldn't fit.

I'm not saying McPhee can't move to the outside because I just don't know. However as of right now, his comfort zone appears to be inside.[/quote]

Finally, a smart reply. Well said.

[Bltravens]

Its best to use him now as a pocket collapser, we have guys that can bring some heat on the edges but outside of Ngata who is still learning we dont have a 3rd down pocket pusher guy.

[BmoreRaised]

I remember some of you "so called" fans being so terribly upset over this pick in the draft.I'll bet money as soon as Mcphee has a few "bad" games,you guys will be making threads about how he is a bust and how we should cut him.

Oh,and the guy who said Torrey Smith is bust after 2 preseason games,HAHA.You're absolutely hilarious.

[colljb9]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1314250387' post='763529']
I remember some of you "so called" fans being so terribly upset over this pick in the draft.I'll bet money as soon as Mcphee has a few "bad" games,you guys will be making threads about how he is a bust and how we should cut him.

Oh,and the guy who said Torrey Smith is bust after 2 preseason games,HAHA.You're absolutely hilarious.
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Agreed! Torrey smith as a 2nd round draft pick is not a bust after 2 preseason games so theres no way in hell you can call mcphee a bust if he has a few bad games being a 5th round pick. How many times do you hear so and so kid is not big enough or strong enough or refined enough to play his rookie year, but give him a year of nfl training program and he'll be there next year. Let all of our rookies gain experience and watch what they do. This was an outstanding draft and with this draft and last years draft alone, our team has overtaken a youth overhaul with pure talent

[NextManUp#52]

Not sure if this was brought up at all earlier in this topic, and not even saying that I am advocating this, but..... What is the possibility the Raven's trade/cut Redding, and let McPhee and Arthur Jones handle the DE spot? I thought Redding played pretty well the 2nd half of last season, but right now Jones (who has been very impressive as well) and McPhee are 2nd/3rd on the depth chart behind Redding, and might be more productive than the veteran. I understand that it would be a risk to pencil in a rookie and 2nd year player as the starting DE, and wonder if anyone has any thoughts on if they think these 2 might be able to handle the role? Such a move would also free up a little cap space, and even more importantly a roster spot.

[scrock]

[quote name='NextManUp#52' timestamp='1314297028' post='763982']
Not sure if this was brought up at all earlier in this topic, and not even saying that I am advocating this, but..... What is the possibility the Raven's trade/cut Redding, and let McPhee and Arthur Jones handle the DE spot? I thought Redding played pretty well the 2nd half of last season, but right now Jones (who has been very impressive as well) and McPhee are 2nd/3rd on the depth chart behind Redding, and might be more productive than the veteran. I understand that it would be a risk to pencil in a rookie and 2nd year player as the starting DE, and wonder if anyone has any thoughts on if they think these 2 might be able to handle the role? Such a move would also free up a little cap space, and even more importantly a roster spot.
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I said earlier this offseason that Redding should/could get cut with the emergence of Art Jones....but its a little late now so i dont see it happening, same reason i cant see them trading Foxworth

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='NextManUp#52' timestamp='1314297028' post='763982']
Not sure if this was brought up at all earlier in this topic, and not even saying that I am advocating this, but..... What is the possibility the Raven's trade/cut Redding, and let McPhee and Arthur Jones handle the DE spot? I thought Redding played pretty well the 2nd half of last season, but right now Jones (who has been very impressive as well) and McPhee are 2nd/3rd on the depth chart behind Redding, and might be more productive than the veteran. I understand that it would be a risk to pencil in a rookie and 2nd year player as the starting DE, and wonder if anyone has any thoughts on if they think these 2 might be able to handle the role? Such a move would also free up a little cap space, and even more importantly a roster spot.
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Come on man Redding+Jones+Mcphee, Ngata, and Cody=Deadly DLine

[ravensfan...mostly lewis]

The guy questioning people as fans for not liking the Mcphee pick is a little drastic I think. While I generally support any pick this team makes because they haven't really given us any reason not to, I don't think it calls to question how much of a fan you are if you disagree with a draft pick or wanted them to take somebody else. I like any defensive pick though, especially when it includes getting sacks.

I still think Redding serves a purpose on this team though, he's got experience on his side and it's not like he can't play. Give the young guys PT but Redding knows what he's doing out there. I loved his awareness to pick up that fumbled ball against Pittsburgh and return it.

[NextManUp#52]

The main reason I bring up the possibility of cutting Redding is the looming cutdowns, the Ravens are going to have some difficult decisions to make soon, guys like LaQuan Williams, Chykie Brown, Josh Bynes, James Hardy could very well be gone when we have to make those cuts, and cutting Redding could allow us to keep one of those guys. It is a good problem to have, having too many players we like, but the Ravens are almost certain to lose a few very good football players.

[scrock]

[quote name='NextManUp#52' timestamp='1314301336' post='764051']
The main reason I bring up the possibility of cutting Redding is the looming cutdowns, the Ravens are going to have some difficult decisions to make soon, guys like LaQuan Williams, Chykie Brown, Josh Bynes, James Hardy could very well be gone when we have to make those cuts, and cutting Redding could allow us to keep one of those guys. It is a good problem to have, having too many players we like, but the Ravens are almost certain to lose a few very good football players.
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All of those guys you just mentioned are likely gone...maybe except for LaQuan Williams..Chykie Brown idk about he hasnt played really

Guys are going to get cut and those guys are bubble players, if its between Redding a proven commodity and a project player who may play in the future? you keep Redding because we are trying to win now..as well as build the team up..the best players will stay so its not really something u have to worry about..the best guys will be wearing Ravens uniform

[gabefergy]

[quote name='NextManUp#52' timestamp='1314301336' post='764051']
The main reason I bring up the possibility of cutting Redding is the looming cutdowns, the Ravens are going to have some difficult decisions to make soon, guys like LaQuan Williams, Chykie Brown, Josh Bynes, James Hardy could very well be gone when we have to make those cuts, and cutting Redding could allow us to keep one of those guys. It is a good problem to have, having too many players we like, but the Ravens are almost certain to lose a few very good football players.
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I don't see Redding getting cut because you want to have quality depth along the D line as players are rotated to stay fresh. Then you also have: What if someone were to get hurt?

Getting back to McPhee, I don't rrally remember anyone bashing the pick. He seemed like good value at the end of the 5th to me. I don't think many ppl knew to much about him, so there have been some grumbling about what position he would play. Now after 2 preseason games I can't imagine anyone calling him a bust. He has been somewhat of a revelation as an interior pocket diruptor.

[colljb9]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1314298066' post='763987']

I said earlier this offseason that Redding should/could get cut with the emergence of Art Jones....but its a little late now so i dont see it happening, same reason i cant see them trading Foxworth
[/quote]

very very true, need the experience and redding is a good player...not great but a good solid vetern who did have an impact on games last year (saints game as an example). Maybe next year we can cut a little cap room with guys like jones who have two young guys behind them but i wouldnt trust two young guys this year. Get them experience but keep the veterns. Neither jones (who did not play last year) or mcphee knows what it takes to truly play in a game like the ravens vs the steelers so you need that experience

[Ravensfan23]

I'm I watching the same Cory Redding as everyone else. The guy has been unblockable in the run game and has provide really good pass rush this preseason, why do people wanna cut or trade him?

Redding tends to get overshadowed by the other names on defense, but keep an eye on him tonight. If he continues to play as well as he has, you'll see a guy who's primed to have a big season.

Last year was Reddings first at the 5 technique. He started playing really well as the season went on Now in Pagano's traditional aggressive style 3-4, Redding could have a huge season.

[colljb9]

dont know if this is the appropriate place to put this...but does anyone else think that jimmy smith was the biggest steal in a long time. I mean this kid had charcter issues in his [b]freshman and sophmore years[/b] at colorado and looks to me to want to do nothing more than to work hard and succeed in the nfl now. Amukamara broke his foot and ive heard peterson is struggling...looks like jimmy smith really was the best cornerback in this years draft.

[PuRock]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1314307754' post='764198']
dont know if this is the appropriate place to put this...but does anyone else think that jimmy smith was the biggest steal in a long time. I mean this kid had charcter issues in his [b]freshman and sophmore years[/b] at colorado and looks to me to want to do nothing more than to work hard and succeed in the nfl now. Amukamara broke his foot and ive heard peterson is struggling...looks like jimmy smith really was the best cornerback in this years draft.
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He's still a 1st round draft pick. I wouldn't call him a steal yet unless he surpasses most of the other 25 guys taken before him. The guy hasn't played a regular season game yet. We are lucky (knock on wood) that he hasn't gotten injured like some others.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1314308351' post='764210']
He's still a 1st round draft pick. I wouldn't call him a steal yet unless he surpasses most of the other 25 guys taken before him. The guy hasn't played a regular season game yet. We are lucky (knock on wood) that he hasn't gotten injured like some others.
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Calling our 1st round pick a steal in a thread about how our 5th round pick has exceeded expectations?

One thing I found interesting is that looking back, draft analysts said he is just a run stopper and will never be a pass rusher.

"McPhee won’t beat NFL tackles to the quarterback" (rotoworld.com)
"He is never going to be a great pass-rusher" (Todd McShay)

He is considered raw and is already getting to the QB, albeit through backups.

[colljb9]

I only put it in here because i wasnt sure where else to put it and didnt want to start a new thread. I call smith a steal because so many teams took him off their draft boards because of character issues. He was a top 10 talent who slipped to us at number 26 who never should have dropped that far. A steal doesnt have to be a guy in late rounds, a steal is a guy who gets picked at a position much lower then where he should have been picked. Smith should have been picked top 10 and we got him at 26, and it appears he has no character issues and could be thrown into the starting line up from game one.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1314309725' post='764231']
I only put it in here because i wasnt sure where else to put it and didnt want to start a new thread. I call smith a steal because so many teams took him off their draft boards because of character issues. He was a top 10 talent who slipped to us at number 26 who never should have dropped that far. A steal doesnt have to be a guy in late rounds, a steal is a guy who gets picked at a position much lower then where he should have been picked. Smith should have been picked top 10 and we got him at 26, and it appears he has no character issues and could be thrown into the starting line up from game one.
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I like Jimmy Smith too and think he's a steal at 26th pick. He can jam the wr and keep up with probably any wr in the league, but so far against Bowe, he was right up neck to neck with Bowe in term of speed. All he needs couple regular season games under his belt, he'll be the best rookie CB coming out of the 2011 draft. I'm very excited to speculate his progress to elite CB.

Tonight, McPhee will sack Becker.....

[FerrariFan87]

I'm excited to see what this kid can do tonight!