Your Thoughts On This Week's O-Line Performance Vs. Last Week?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PurpNBlack22' timestamp='1313812083' post='757447']
Idk why people are saying Joe played so bad...while he did miss a few passes he looked cool calm and collected in the pocket for the most part even while the o-line was collapsing. I think Joe will have a breakout season now that he has a legit deep threat in Lee Evans. Also Torrey Smith has potential but I think the WR who will step up and surprise everyone if given the chance is David Reed, he can move and he has very good hands.
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I think it just boils down to the magnitude of the misses....Some throws were WAY off. I don't think its a big deal and certainly not something to get worried over, it was just not what some were hoping to see!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='PurpNBlack22' timestamp='1313812083' post='757447']
Idk why people are saying Joe played so bad...while he did miss a few passes he looked cool calm and collected in the pocket for the most part even while the o-line was collapsing. I think Joe will have a breakout season now that he has a legit deep threat in Lee Evans. Also Torrey Smith has potential but I think the WR who will step up and surprise everyone if given the chance is David Reed, he can move and he has very good hands.
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Joe didn't play bad at all imo, it was just a couple of throws that were off the mark. It's one of those situations where, if he were a 4 quarter game, Joe would have probably gotten it together.

Overall, Joe played really well. He keep his footwork and mechanics clean, didn't throw off his back foot, did a good job of getting the most out of his deep ball attempts. They weren't completed, but it wasn't underthown either.

He did a good job of keeping his eyes down field when he was in trouble, but throwing it away when nothing was there.

I think he did a good job of controlling the offense.

It was just working out kinks.

[BirdWatcher]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1313812665' post='757470']

He did a good job of keeping his eyes down field when he was in trouble, but throwing it away when nothing was there.

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THIS is where I saw the most improvement.

[FerrariFan87]

Oher looks lost out there... I'm worried.

[ratedr]

I've been ragging on Flacco, but I will say that I'm impressed that he didn't take any sacks. He was 12/24, but that could've easily been 12/20 (60% comp) but with 4 sacks. His awareness is greatly improved.

[Npane171]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1313811968' post='757444']
Geez not again. Its the PS. You have to reward the young guys who have been working hard at TC. If he doesn't like it, make a better team. This is the NFL not little league. He's still sore about the playoff loss.
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LOL!

[jimmysmith3]

Is it just me or is Todd Haley always really grumpy. Whenever I see him it looks like he's about to kill someone. I don't like him at all.

[Brock86]

I'm not that impressed with the OLINE play tonight, I honestly thought joe had great pocket awareness and moved great that first play where he moved away from KC end(I think it was) and completed to Rice was really nice to see, and the one later where he avoided the rush and overthrew Dickson was really good movement in the pocket, just a poor pass.
To be fair we had 3 new faces on the OLINE tonight and this is pretty much the best you can expect from our current situation, with that in mind they did fine.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='jimmysmith3' timestamp='1313815332' post='757518']Is it just me or is Todd Haley always really grumpy. Whenever I see him it looks like he's about to kill someone. I don't like him at all.[/quote]

He one sensitive little **** if you ask me. Zero credibility as a proffessional.

[Yatagarasu]

whining?

Those RBs want to get a job! a J.O.B!

Parmele, Allen, and Berry are running like their paychecks depend on it.

Good thing we have a stable of RBs so we don't have to work too hard on Tyrod.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I thought the O-line played decent, not really any better. Pass protection, whilst maybe better than last week, was made to look better because Joe did really well at recognizing the pocket collapsing and getting out of there. Considering that two of the starters last night are not going to be in our first choice lineup, I like what we saw as a whole. There are still some improvements to be made though and I think a vet FA or maybe two could be on the cards.

[ravensdfan]

I thought while the O line still has issues they were vastly improved from last week. Cousins seems much better at RG. Remember as well that Yanda and Birk were out. If they make the same jump in improvement each week I think we'll be fine.

[BloodRaven]

Not sure what to make of Mattison but it looks like Cousins has found some sort of niche at guard.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Brock86' timestamp='1313819650' post='757577']
I'm not that impressed with the OLINE play tonight, I honestly thought joe had great pocket awareness and moved great that first play where he moved away from KC end(I think it was) and completed to Rice was really nice to see, and the one later where he avoided the rush and overthrew Dickson was really good movement in the pocket, just a poor pass.
To be fair we had 3 new faces on the OLINE tonight and this is pretty much the best you can expect from our current situation, with that in mind they did fine.
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Ha, its kind of like you're arguing with yourself here

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1313839256' post='757671']
Not sure what to make of Mattison but it looks like Cousins has found some sort of niche at guard.
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Mattison has played very well. The fact that we have not heard his name, nor have we all been mentioning him speaks to his solid play. Very surprised by his play, to say the least.

[PurpleReign92]

I saw it with my own Eyes in the 1st or 2nd Qt, Michael Oher let 1 slide!!!!!

[mhead66]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313809603' post='757358']
No complaints at all on the offensive line. Reid had his breakdowns, but thats to be expected. he did a good job. [b]Run blocking was never an issue, we ran the ball at ease[/b]. Pass pro will get better with time and experience. Where are the Oher haters? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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No, we ran the ball at ease in the 4th quarter. Anthony Allen had 5 carries for 34 yards.

In the first half, our starters vs. their starters, Rice & Williams combined for 27 yards on 9 carries - a 3 yd/carry average - before Rice's 26 yard TD run.

Not that this is alarming, but don't think that the overall stats - 24 rushes for 114 yards, a 4.8 avg - reflect the starting OLine's "improved" run blocking. They're a work in progress, at this point...

[Downdraft]

Last weeks performance didn't bother me as much after watching the Steelers having fundamentally the same problems we were having. HOWEVER, Ben and company have seem to clean their act up considerably in less than a week. It would have been nice to see similar improvement on our end. A lot rides on our first hame.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1313837666' post='757650']
I thought while the O line still has issues they were vastly improved from last week. Cousins seems much better at RG. Remember as well that Yanda and Birk were out. If they make the same jump in improvement each week I think we'll be fine.
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Man, big ups to Cousins. I know for myself I was really hard on the guy after last week and rightfully so. However he played really well tonight, so I feel props must be handed out.

Yea he had the one false start, but overall, he and Reid were really strong in the running game. He did a really nice job handling twist and stunts, especially considering that the 2 guys he was working with(Mattison and Reid) were so young.

I'm not ready to say, move Yanda to RT and allow Cousins to play RG, because Yanda is our best RG imo. However, if Cousins continues to improve on his first game ever at RG, he might not only make this team, but he might be an asset as well.

Also, shout out to big Harewood. First game back, he played decent, especially considering he was at LT. He had his moment were he allowed pressure on Tyrod, but for the most part the big fella held his own. It's all about time and getting on field work for him.

Props for the second week in a row for Boren. I think he played fairly well at LG next to Harewood. I haven't re-watched the game yet(which I will do in 20 minutes) but Boren certainly passed the eye test last night. Once I re-watch the game I'll keep an eye on Barnes and Bartholomew, didn't notice them much watching Live. Don't know if that's a good thing for bad.

And even though he's not a Olineman. Propsto Ryan Mahaffy. I continue to be impressed with his physical play at the FB position. Learning behind Leach will be great for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come up with a mystery injury to be stashed on IR. That guy really clears a path for the RBs.

All in all, I thought it was an much better performance from the Oline Unit. Was it prefect or are we ready for Pit right now, probably not, but we don't have to be. Preseason isn't about looking perfect, it's about working out the kinks and making steady improvement.

We all bashed the oline last week. So was deserved some really wasn't, but I think props have to be given to those guys this week, with mindset of knowing we still have to improve, and make next week much better then this.

[flaccofan02]

Well, the O-line actually did much better than last week, but their performance is still kind of not up there yet. They let up only 2 sacks, but still, shouldn't you go for [u]no[/u] sacks? I think that's still our major flaw. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png[/img]

[SecretAgentMan]

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeach, did good, and all of our newcomers did good. Pernell Mcphee is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Cousins looked better at guard, and Reid looked like an avarage, RT, (which is good considering that he is a rookie.

[PuRock]

[quote name='jimmysmith3' timestamp='1313815332' post='757518']
Is it just me or is Todd Haley always really grumpy. Whenever I see him it looks like he's about to kill someone. I don't like him at all.
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He's better suited for a mean grandpa role not a head coach. "Dang you kids, get off my lawn!"

[bmore187]

O line played a lot better compared to last week........Cousins looked like a completely different player out there at G, i think he needs to stay there. I like the Mattison kid at C. Slide Yanda to RT and we'll be ok..........Oher please stop false starting tho Jeez!

[uhhhh]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313843367' post='757707']I saw it with my own Eyes in the 1st or 2nd Qt, Michael Oher let 1 slide!!!!![/quote]

Yeah, I also saw that. He stepped to the inside to block and the linebacker that he should've blocked blew passes him. It resulted in a fumble but was later overturned into an incompletion.

[arnie_uk]

this is going to be a wee bit long, ive only seen the game once and was trying to watch everyone at one go, so may have missed one or two things.. my analysis, more of the team than this game..

1. QBS - Joe has off with his timing and accuracy tonight, but i dont think we have to worry, i believe it was a bad game, and it will be corrected for next week, however if not, then it may be a prob. More importantly what we all noticed was he had great chemistry with lee in the firs game, they have obviouxly been working alot together in practice, maybe joe likes that extra bit of speed, which will bode well for smith. Also his awareness has greatly improved, this was his major flaw last season, pocket prescence, but last night on 3 or 4 occasions he stepped up and avoided the sack, he got out of the pocket and instead of maybe holding on to the ball too long, take a sack, run out of bounds or force the ball into coverage he thre it away.. that was a sign of maturity for joe, he didnt do that last year. he also had two fumbles/tuck rules. now although that looked messy, i think again its a isgn of maturirty, hew seen a pass, then last min for whatever reason the pass wasnt on, rather than risk a int he pulled out of the pass. Something he hasnt done before.

If this wasnt a one off, well see a more mature joe, and when he gets back to form on his throwing accuracy wise, he has what it take to join the top teir of QBS, hes not there yet, but with this added prescence and maturity in the pocket he could get there this year.

Tyrod finished very strong, but started week, it looked like i was watching the game against philly, almost a mirror preformance. im confindent given snaps in practice through the next few season, maybe bring him in in blowouts to get real nfl game time this kid will emerge as a great talent to call on for trick plays and could be a quality no.2 for us... possibly some team in years to come will trade for him to be a starter (49ers for example). BUT right now he is not there, hes too raw, sometimes he doesnt see the field quick enough, others he looks like mike vick. I think we need a no2 QB with experience for this season at least, maybe next, but by tyrods 2/3 year hell be there as our back up. he has talent, he just needs time to develop into that back up/possible starter for a weaker team.

2. Run game - It imroved, we had some nice blocking up front in the run, i think no matter our line, the run blocking will always be there. vonta leach had a few good blocks, rice looked quick and agile, williams had one or two good runs, and AA realyy stepped up, hes a brusier with decent speed. i hope he makes the squad or else someone will pick him up. Ricky is one a 2yr deal then retirement, keep AA as no.3 then after rickys deal is up hell automatically move into the no.2 role and can play in more than just a goal line package. hell be able to keep rice fresh and split carries, ultimatley extending RR career as a top RB.
All in all, i think our blocking willl be stroong and RR will step it up again, teams wqill have to respect both or run and pass game.

3. Oline - a wee bit off an improvement but not much, Reid played better than cousins at RT, cousins played better than ever at RG (although still not great overall, just better than his ususal self) hell probably turn into a decent back up there, better than chester hopefully. Reid will be a good RT at some stage this year, if not next season. I think we need a stop gap RT like anderson and couple of season ago, stinchomb (sp) will probably get a multi year deal elsewhere which i dont think we need to match, youll see us sign a vet that will be cut in the incoming weeks. Mattison has played solid, you always know when you dont here a OLs name, hes doing well. hell grow into a good backup, possibly could be a longterm answer to birk, but id feel more comfortable with a vet prescence at both RT and C this year to begin with at least, maybe yield to Reid and Mattision as the season goes on. Birk will defiently be gone at the end of this year, so id go and get ohara, we could get 2/3 season out of him, giving time for mattison to grow or give us time to draft a centre, i dont think we can afford to draft one high this year aas weell nedd them picks for MLB and SS, you have to look at the whole picture not just this coming season. To me the jury is still out on oher at LT, false starts may be a probelm ,although it seems half of them is him ust have a great start, hes very quick in that first step, but the ref throws the flag. Hali didnt get a sack against him, but some of that can be credited to joe. He is a great RT, avearge LT atm, i dont think hell ever be joe thomas esk at LT, but with one or two adjustments, he can hold that spot down.

4. WRs/TE - first off lee evans looked, good, quick, good hands, ran multiple different roots not just the streak up the sideline, i dont think he is a !one trick pony" as people have said. Dickson and boldin got open a few times, flacco just didnt hit them. i think we have a promising situation at TE with Pitta and Dickson, one has big play ability, ala gates the other is a great possesion TE in pitta. two different weapons for different situation the opposition has to gameplan for. i think there may be one or two teething problems, but as the season goes on, everyone will see the FO made the right decision regarding heap.

now to the young wideouts, David reed had one awful drop, then showed his true colours. 2/3 good grabs and good gains. Hes definately going to see some playing time this year if he can stay healthy. his a mix of a posession guy, but more speed than a q or mase. Hell be able to run a long, short, slants curls, he could grow into an every down guy, not just situational, potential to start in years to come. Doss like reid looks very promising. a definate go to guy on third downs, you know he wont drop it, runs crisp routes, isnt afraid of being hit over the middle, if used correct i can see him being a favourite target for flacco, with most attention being on evans and boldin. smith got open a few times, has great speed flacoo just couldnt hit him. Needs to improve in a number of areas, but could be a threat against teams with weaker dime and nickel corners. Wasnt ready to be a number 2 reciever, could grow into that role, but could also bust. Finailly i think laquan Williams has to make the team, hes explosive, made a few grabs, hes just doing everything right atm, whereas Marcus is not.

All in all, a good mixture of experince and youth, possession and speed, with big play capabilitys and great 3rd down guys. if everyone lives up to potential we could have the best corps in the league, with great variety each bringing something different to the table, but right now we only have two accomplished WRs so we cant get to carried away, but there is great potential here.

5. Pass Rush - Last season will never happen again. Pagano is more agrresive, you never know whos coming, webb spent most of his time in the backfield last night. Mcphee Jones and kruger again had solid games, Divens and redding were also in their. kindle i didnt see much from in pass rush, but damn he is fast, almost 2 blocked punts. hell definately be a threat on third downs. We should have more than just suggs rushing this year, each man can play in different positions along the line, kruger and suggs can have thier hand down or stand up, we have an abundance of talent here, but all we need is one or two to step and help out suggs. i dont think any will have a stand out year, but all will contribute for the team, get a few sacks each, pressures etc. Not great stats indivudally, but as a team well see our sack number and pressures greatly rise, hopefully leaduing to more three and outs, or TOs. Kruger looked ok in pass defence, hopefully he shows his worth this year.

6- Pass Defence - Well what can i say, two big physical corners with potential. For jimmy we know he can be shutdown, he has great tight coverage, got beat by great pass and great catches by bowe. probably as a rookie thought his tight coverage was enough, but as experience comes hell learn to watch the QB and CB, look for the ball and never give up on a play thinking he has blanket coverage (which he pretty much did). He will get targeted early on, but if he makes a few big plays, jumo a route or not allow completions, hell be targeted less and less. his ceiling is endless.. he could be great. i want to see him against a stalloworth or moss next week at skins, quicker smaller guys see how he gets on.

Williams has potential to be a starter for us, very similar to smith, great size, physical and fast. had a good couple of breaks ups, his problem is consistency, i duno if he had a laspse of concentration on KCs TD drive, or was he just beat by a good route and pass, could jimmy have done better? maybe someone could clear this up as i would need to watch it again.

Carr sat this game, but i think hes our best nickel back, webb just seems to have regressed a bit, i didnt watch him that much, was he biting on double moves being to agressive, has he lost a step or what? he always seemed to be running behind his man. Fox needs to see a few reps in these next to games to get back to game sharpness.

Great depth at CB, williams and smith are different players to the rest, so we could see pagano being situautional this year until we see true starters emerge from the pack, which i think could be jimmy and cary. thses two being physical on the outside gives our pass rush that extra second or two to hit the QB. With that and hopefully added pressure from our young ones, and ngata hoping to develop has pass rush, watch out for suggs going to back to back Probowls for the first time.

7 - Safeties - great competition, to me i think pollard has to start. with the new added bltizing and less defenders in the back field, quick slants and hb draws could hurt us, i think we need a sure fire tackler back there because tehre could be alot onf one v ones in openfield this year and pollard is the man i back to make that hit. He also can blitz, if he starts, i could see him getting 100 tackle on the year. But like cb i could see pagano going situational, obvious pass zibby, obvious run, pollard, and throw in naka who has only made plays so far this preseason, i think were in a great postion of strength here. i havent even mentioned ed reed. the name says it all.

8 - play calling. i know some people were upset at cam sending boldin deep and not evans. now this man is a paid nfl offense co ord on a superbowl contender. im a nobody fan and i even knwo lee evans is our deep threat. i believe he wasnt showing his hand, possibly playing dumb, other teams might be like some of us fans thinking is he really that stupid. No he cant be. He just doesnt want to show lees true threat to the steelers i believe. i have too. he knows his job is on the line here this year, watch for lee to be the deep threat in the reg season. We seen slants for the first time ever under cam, hes going to mix it up this year, be less predectable. he will still get it run on occasions but all in all i think well be happier with him this year.

already mentioned pagano being more agressive, just maybe sometimes its ok not to all out blitz, we may get burned once or twice, but you have to accept that will happen when you diall up the pressure.

All in all i think we have a good young team with a mix of experienced vets, He ahve great variety in key posiitons offering different threats, Joe seems to have matured, we have got him more weapons, the pass rush seems to be better, tackling improved, that was just a one of i think, we have talent at cb. our only needs is a stop gap RT for half a season to reid is ready, a C who can replace birk for a season or two, a back up QB for this year and maybe next and the rest will come togetehr as the year goes on. a great opportunity this year.

[kiwi_raven]

i think the Oline did a lot better this week, didnt see as many people coming through the line untouched like we did last week, even when a full block wasnt able to be made they made contact to give joe time to scramble around a little.

Reid will be our starting RT, if he continues to improve at the same pace from game to game this preseason he is going to be a beast for us, it was just his second NFL game and liike he said after game he is still trying to catch up on all his responsibilities and get all the nerves out.

on a side note i really liked our bunch formation even though there was the odd custer fluck play from it

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1313850914' post='757767']
O line played a lot better compared to last week........Cousins looked like a completely different player out there at G, i think he needs to stay there. I like the Mattison kid at C. Slide Yanda to RT and we'll be ok..........Oher please stop false starting tho Jeez!
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That wasn't a False start.

I think the organization really needs to help Oher in this fight, because it seems like Oher is getting punished for being such a good athlete. I think the FO needs to seen a cut up of every snap Oher has taken, false starts and all, and so the Ref committee that it's not a false start.

If you go back and watch that play, focus on the ball, Oher moves a split second after the ball is snapped. The problem is, nobody else, offensively or defensively is moving and it makes Oher look like he's jumping.

I actually think it's unfair because defensive guys get praised for being able to jump the snap, and Oher is one of the few OL who can anticipate the snap and get a jump on the defense but he's penalized for it.

Now what Oher has to do is, understand that if they will continue to flag him for it, then he has to stop it. But it actually isn't a false start and Oher should be rewarded for that skill, instead of being penalized for it.

[bmore187]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1313868334' post='758180']

That wasn't a False start.

I think the organization really needs to help Oher in this fight, because it seems like Oher is getting punished for being such a good athlete. I think the FO needs to seen a cut up of every snap Oher has taken, false starts and all, and so the Ref committee that it's not a false start.

If you go back and watch that play, focus on the ball, Oher moves a split second after the ball is snapped. The problem is, nobody else, offensively or defensively is moving and it makes Oher look like he's jumping.

I actually think it's unfair because defensive guys get praised for being able to jump the snap, and Oher is one of the few OL who can anticipate the snap and get a jump on the defense but he's penalized for it.

Now what Oher has to do is, understand that if they will continue to flag him for it, then he has to stop it. But it actually isn't a false start and Oher should be rewarded for that skill, instead of being penalized for it.
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Oher false starts man get over it. He should just move when everyone else does and stop trying anticapate the snap. He causes more damage then good when he does that.

[scrock]

[quote name='Npane171' timestamp='1313807587' post='757185']
I think most of us can agree that the D looked pretty solid tonight, with the exception of some rookie mistakes. No big deal. Having said that, the O-line still stinks. But, how do you think they stack up against THEMSELVES? That is, do you think they look better or worse (or no change, perhaps) from last weeks performance? Also, do you think that Joe's overthrowing is an issue with the substance of our line, or is an internal problem all his own? Thanks for you comments.
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Joe missing some throws is not the norm, Joe is very accurate, not worried, he was moving good in the pocket making guys miss on sacks, etc

[Brock86]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1313841932' post='757689']
Ha, its kind of like you're arguing with yourself here [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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Maybe I was.