Bisciotti: Decision to Hire Harbaugh Over Ryan Came Down to Chemistry

[Militant X 1]

just because i like Coach Harbs doesn't mean that i am gonna hate on Rex!

i actually dig Rex's loud mouth, arrogance, bravado and swag. i love how he keeps putting out there that the Jets are gonna win the Superbowl! i love it! and those cats (Jets) are drinking the green kool-aide because they have been to the AFC Championship 2 consecutive seasons while Bisciotti, Coach Harbaugh, the Ravens and we Ravens fans watching THEM (Jets) and HIM (Rex) from the couch!

~Mili

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1313635176' post='754304']
just because i like Coach Harbs doesn't mean that i am gonna hate on Rex!

i actually dig Rex's loud mouth, arrogance, bravado and swag. i love how he keeps putting out there that the Jets are gonna win the Superbowl! i love it! and those cats (Jets) are drinking the green kool-aide because they have been to the AFC Championship 2 consecutive seasons while Bisciotti, Coach Harbaugh, the Ravens and we Ravens fans watching THEM (Jets) and HIM (Rex) from the couch!

~Mili
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I get your sentiment, and of course, to each his own, but I think the reason why a lot of people (myself included) dislike Rex is because his arrogance and mouth have made his team look like villains. I don't have the stats on hand, but I have to believe that there has to be a slight correlation between public perception and penalties called. This is where a lot of the cries of referee bias come from, as teams that are penalized more often are also, theoretically, the most villified.

There's no coincidence that the Ravens, after becoming a more disciplined and humble team under Harbaugh's watch, have also posted significantly fewer penalties than in years past. There's also no coincidence as to why the Patriots and Colts, the NFL's golden-goose teams, are among the least-penalized teams every year.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

Like harbs but rex is better

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1313635536' post='754310']
I get your sentiment, and of course, to each his own, but I think the reason why a lot of people (myself included) dislike Rex is because his arrogance and mouth have made his team look like villains. I don't have the stats on hand, but I have to believe that there has to be a slight correlation between public perception and penalties called. This is where a lot of the cries of referee bias come from, as teams that are penalized more often are also, theoretically, the most villified.

There's no coincidence that the Ravens, after becoming a more disciplined and humble team under Harbaugh's watch, have also posted significantly fewer penalties than in years past. There's also no coincidence as to why the Patriots and Colts, the NFL's golden-goose teams, are among the least-penalized teams every year.
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i feel ya Franchise.

but to me...there is nothing wrong with a "good" villian. we like them in television shows, movies and even in wrestling! at least i do! lol!

~Mili

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1313622786' post='754141']
We needed QB that year so I think we would have drafted Joe maybe not Rice, but I think if Rice was there over any other Player Rex could have wanted Ozzie would still take Rice. Because of the chart they make for value. And if he wouldnt of hired Cam who knows we coulda been superbowl champs over the years. If Ryan can transform the Jets D like he did, and take them to the championship 2 straight years with their offense, I know we could have done it. And he was still with us in 08. So he did have input on the draft. Especially since he was with us for like 10 years
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You talk like the Jets had the worse defense/team in the NFL.

Arugably the best CB, best LT, best C and some other pieces.

As far as the draft, again, you can say we we needed all you want, there still isn't anyway of knowing. Ok, we needed, a QB, we also needed, defensive help, and Rex is a defensive coach.

I'm not knocking you for your opinion of thinking we would have won the Super Bowl with Rex, but you can't just take the 2 teams and put them together.

We don't know how Rex would have handled, the forced by week back in 08'. We see how animated and emotional Rex gets in public, so we don't know how he would have responded to a few of the late game losses.

By Rex being here for 10+ years with the defense and a lot of those guys viewing him as a farther figure, we don't know how the young offensive guys would have responded to Rex.

Also, Rex is self admittedly motivated by the Ravens not selecting him as Head Coach, and he admits to learning so much about being a Head Coach from Harbs in that 1 season. So there is no telling just how Rex would have been with the Ravens.

Would the pressure of this being his dream job force, him to demand so much out of the offense, blowing up everytime a late game mistake was made. While not doing the same with his defensive players.

I'm not saying Rex wouldn't have been good with us and I'm not saying we would have won the SB with him.

We just don't know, so it's really no need of wondering what could have been.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1313638842' post='754353']
You talk like the Jets had the worse defense/team in the NFL.

Arugably the best CB, best LT, best C and some other pieces.

As far as the draft, again, you can say we we needed all you want, there still isn't anyway of knowing. Ok, we needed, a QB, we also needed, defensive help, and Rex is a defensive coach.

I'm not knocking you for your opinion of thinking we would have won the Super Bowl with Rex, but you can't just take the 2 teams and put them together.

We don't know how Rex would have handled, the forced by week back in 08'. We see how animated and emotional Rex gets in public, so we don't know how he would have responded to a few of the late game losses.

By Rex being here for 10+ years with the defense and a lot of those guys viewing him as a farther figure, we don't know how the young offensive guys would have responded to Rex.

Also, Rex is self admittedly motivated by the Ravens not selecting him as Head Coach, and he admits to learning so much about being a Head Coach from Harbs in that 1 season. So there is no telling just how Rex would have been with the Ravens.

Would the pressure of this being his dream job force, him to demand so much out of the offense, blowing up everytime a late game mistake was made. While not doing the same with his defensive players.

I'm not saying Rex wouldn't have been good with us and I'm not saying we would have won the SB with him.

We just don't know, so it's really no need of wondering what could have been.
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I agree. But having one of the great defenses was my favorite thing about Ravens. I enjoyed watching our D more then the offense and I just miss that. I think if Rex was still here we would be like that still and I just cant let go lol

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1313636742' post='754335']
i feel ya Franchise.

but to me...there is nothing wrong with a "good" villian. we like them in television shows, movies and even in wrestling! at least i do! lol!

~Mili
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And that's where I see the crux of the argument being made in defense of Rex, and I can certainly understand it; the bad guys just seem to have more fun in entertainment, and football [i]is[/i] a form of entertainment.

That said, people place different levels of importance on their favorite sports teams and athletes. In my case, I consider my favorite team to be an extension of me, and I certainly don't want my team representing me in a bad light. I live vicariously through the Ravens, both the players and coaches. Therefore, I consider it a slap in the face if they do something that goes against what I would do myself. While I personally have the gift of gab that Rex has, I'm more diplomatic than him and it's my personal philosophy that football should be handled professionally, just like any other job.

But again, that's just me, and that's why I have always had a problem with guys mouthing off to the media. It's one thing to express a heated opinion on occasion, but it's another thing to make a spectacle of yourself and your team which, by extension, makes a spectacle out of your fans. I never want Ravens fans to have the reputation with fans outside of the AFC North as "those guys," the same way we view Eagles fans as being jerks.

[Yurtle]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1313641131' post='754368']
And that's where I see the crux of the argument being made in defense of Rex, and I can certainly understand it; the bad guys just seem to have more fun in entertainment, and football [i]is[/i] a form of entertainment.

That said, people place different levels of importance on their favorite sports teams and athletes. In my case, I consider my favorite team to be an extension of me, and I certainly don't want my team representing me in a bad light. I live vicariously through the Ravens, both the players and coaches. Therefore, I consider it a slap in the face if they do something that goes against what I would do myself. While I personally have the gift of gab that Rex has, I'm more diplomatic than him and it's my personal philosophy that football should be handled professionally, just like any other job.

But again, that's just me, and that's why I have always had a problem with guys mouthing off to the media. It's one thing to express a heated opinion on occasion, but it's another thing to make a spectacle of yourself and your team which, by extension, makes a spectacle out of your fans. I never want Ravens fans to have the reputation with fans outside of the AFC North as "those guys," the same way we view Eagles fans as being jerks.
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I don't know. I also want to like my coach, and Rex seems like a really cool guy that you just want to hang out with. I appreciated the badass attitude that the 2000 Ravens had. They were an underdog team with a fierce defense that was extremely tough and the fans would feed off of that attitude. You could see the energy in the games. With Rex, you can always see that attitude. I've never been a Raiders fan, but I really like the badass image that they had when they used to be good. After Ray Lewis and some others retire, this team's personality will be very different than older fans remember. It won't be the team that I liked in the Billick era. It's moving towards a lack of identity and personality. The identity, according to Harbaugh, is "playing hard" and "like a Raven." That's cool and all, but it's just not at all the way I remember the Ravens. They were a team that would hit you in the mouth and then tell you about it. Maybe newer fans don't remember what the best Ravens team ever was like, but it wasn't this.

[Gordo52]

When Rex guarenteed superbowl victorys I thought at first what an idiot. But he did go to the AFC championship twice. Thats the only reason I could understand people dont like his talking. But I love it. It attracts the players to wanna win and have fun. Every NFL player started playing football for the fun and Rex brings thats aspect back to them. Hes so confident in his team and thinks they will win, the players start to believe it. And they play better. I love Rex Ryan and I also hate him. The only reason I hate him is because he's on the Jets. I think hes a great,entertaining, confident HC. I wish John could show more confidence in what the Ravens can do to the public so people who dont know will know and respect us more when they look into the guys team whos dad was a head coach and brother who coached at stanford.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='y0unghustla' timestamp='1313605990' post='753689']
Yet while he was here nobody was talkin bad bout him then smh. He was the "best" D coordinator in the game then
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No one was talking about him then because he wasn't acting like an idiot. He knew better inside this organization. Now, there is no one riding rein over him.

[Gtown Purple]

Harbs's personality fits the Ravens better. If Rex were coaching here I don't think he'd be quite as out spoken as he is in NY but he'd be worse than harbs. I think some of the brash nature comes from coaching in NY. people there like brash and cocky people.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1313646106' post='754412']
When Rex guarenteed superbowl victorys I thought at first what an idiot. But he did go to the AFC championship twice. Thats the only reason I could understand people dont like his talking. [b]But I love it. It attracts the players to wanna win and have fun. Every NFL player started playing football for the fun and Rex brings thats aspect back to them. Hes so confident in his team and thinks they will win, the players start to believe it. And they play better. [/b]I love Rex Ryan and I also hate him. The only reason I hate him is because he's on the Jets. I think hes a great,entertaining, confident HC. I wish John could show more confidence in what the Ravens can do to the public so people who dont know will know and respect us more when they look into the guys team whos dad was a head coach and brother who coached at stafford.
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i agree!

~Mili

[The Raven]

I like his swagger, i like his personality, and i like how he's a players coach. I think he talks a little too much, and he doesn't quite know how to build a team (Not through FA). I like his attitude, but he's a little too cocky. I think he fits in better as a DC, but he's not a bad HC at all, imo. He just needs to shut his trap more, and learn how to actually build a team instead of buying one.

I completely understand what Bisciotti is saying about "unifying the offense and defense". That makes a ton of sense. Idk if Rex would unify the team as well as Harbs.

[BloodRaven]

I don't like Harbaugh and the way he does things, Rex bonds with his players and builds a better rapport.

With that said I'm happy with the success he has had with the team so far, but I'd say many coaches would have had similar success with a team as stacked with talent as ours.

[1/28/01]

Harbs is a class act and Rex is slowly becoming a joke in the NFL. With the constant "predictions gone wrong", limited vocabulary, extra curricular activities he enjoys and overall demeanor he possesses, I could not be happier that Bisciotti went another direction. Rex is just downright immature.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='y0unghustla' timestamp='1313604064' post='753644']
Imo we didn't draft well offensively at the skilled positions nor were we aggressive in free agency until after Rex left. I'm not saying be Redskins aggressive but we never went after a big name at all whether it be trade or free agency. I think Willis was one of the first big named signings that I can remember and we didn't start getting aggressive until
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Rod Woodson free agent signee , Shannon Sharpe free agent.. Michael McCrary, Sam Adams. Also.... All pro bowl players brought in as free agents