Bring On The Browns

[FerrariFan87]

OK everyone, since there will be no game this week and there is nothing we can do about it, let's start the discussion on our next victim, the Browns.

Coming into this season all of the so-called experts had the Browns running through the AFC North and on to the playoffs. Us Ravens, well, we were picked to finish last, despite returning basically all of our Defense that was ravaged by injuries last season, hence the struggles. So, to recap Week 1, the Browns get destroyed by Dallas and we, the Ravens, destroy our AFC North rival, the Bengals. We are 1-0 and on TOP of the division. Yes, yes, it is just one week, but EVERY week matters in this league and to get the Browns at Home after a "Bye" spells trouble for the Browns, especially considering Pitt is going to manhandle them tomorrow (or should)...

Hopefully we will finally be healthy and have all of our guys out there and hopefully Coach Cam has some new wrinkles to introduce to the Browns D, which looks just awful. I cannot wait!

Your thoughts, please:

[ROH522155]

my thoughts??? we will dominate 27-10

[K-Dog]

I'll be there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Section 121

I predict we will defeat the comptetion soudly !!!!!!!!

[BloodRaven]

Jason Brown makes Shaun Rogers cry like a baby.

[B-moreRavensfan88]

Bring it on, the home crowd is gonna be fired up, and the browns will get destroyed. Oh yeah and I can't wait to see Jamal Lewis get stuffed by our D! I'm going to be so bored this weekend... how are you guys going to get through roughly 8 days without the ravens?? I mean.. forums, BR.com, Madden, and so on helps some, but not all the time

Still, I was looking forward to seeing McGahee, Rice, and McClain run all over the texans.. I guess we just have to wait.

[Baltboy]

We gotta protect Flacco,
look what their linebacker Andra Davis said about Big Ben ;

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"This game, we've just got to not worry about fines or late hits or whatever the referee is going to do," said Davis, who's 1-12 against the Steelers. "We've just got to go out and get him down because you know they take care of the quarterbacks in this league. But we've just got to put that behind us. If we get fined, we get fined. We've just got to make sure we get the job done."

[mhead66]

Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but consider this:

1. Without Flacco's 38 yard rush and Clayton's 42 yard rush, the Ravens ran for 149 yards on 44 rushes. This is 3.4 yards per carry, which would be 27th in the league. It also would have been 31st in the NFL last year.

2. In the passing game, the Ravens averaged 4.45 yards/attempt last week, 31st in the NFL. That would have been 32nd in the league last year.

3. This was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Ravens need to pick it up on offense...

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

When it rains it pours, Consider the situation we're in though...

[PuRock]

[quote name='mhead66' post='66218' date='Sep 13 2008, 10:55 PM']Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but consider this:

1. Without Flacco's 38 yard rush and Clayton's 42 yard rush, the Ravens ran for 149 yards on 44 rushes. This is 3.4 yards per carry, which would be 27th in the league. It also would have been 31st in the NFL last year.

2. In the passing game, the Ravens averaged 4.45 yards/attempt last week, 31st in the NFL. That would have been 32nd in the league last year.

3. This was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Ravens need to pick it up on offense...[/quote]

Great point. Everybody is quick to point out we had 200+ rushing yards. We still have a long way to go before our offense becomes a juggernaut. It is very easy to become delusional about our offense after the first game. I prefer to be realistic, and keep my expectations in check and hope that the Ravens can exceed and amaze me instead.

On the other side of your point. Long runs are part of the game. You can't dismiss them either. The bottom line is that our [u]actual[/u] average was not 3.4 ypc. But there are other things that we need to look at. We had neither a sack or an interception. I know the Bengals are bad, but they are still an NFL team.

WIth all that being said. It is one thing to be optimistic and another to be delusional. If we can limit our turnovers and injuries we will have a shot this year. Those are the keys, that is what killed us last year.

[EdReedisthebestsafetyeva20]

Im predicting the score the bengals game shoulda been, 31-7.

There only touchdown will be a kellen winslow touchdown when they start out with good field position from a good punt return.

[PuRock]

[i]Ravens head coach John Harbaugh is doing all he can to rest his team by giving his players Sunday, Monday and Tuesday off. The team will return to work Wednesday in preparation for its Sept. 21 contest against the Cleveland Browns.

"We'll have a Cleveland game plan ready for them when they come in on Wednesday," Harbaugh said Saturday in a team statement.[/i]

Looks like Harbaugh is trying to make the most of this "bye week" as possible. Giving the players a little extra rest.

[Moderator 2]

I saw that--want to bet Flacco is in there studying game tape?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Moderator 2' post='66232' date='Sep 14 2008, 02:09 AM']I saw that--want to bet Flacco is in there studying game tape? [/quote]

You know he is. Young buck eager to play. I'm sure all the Veterans are like "forget that I'm going home with my family, it's a bye week."

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='mhead66' post='66218' date='Sep 13 2008, 11:55 PM']Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but consider this:

1. Without Flacco's 38 yard rush and Clayton's 42 yard rush, the Ravens ran for 149 yards on 44 rushes. This is 3.4 yards per carry, which would be 27th in the league. It also would have been 31st in the NFL last year.

2. In the passing game, the Ravens averaged 4.45 yards/attempt last week, 31st in the NFL. That would have been 32nd in the league last year.

3. This was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Ravens need to pick it up on offense...[/quote]

First week in a brand new system with a Rookie QB, very young line, and offensive players who hadn't played all pre-season... I'll take it.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='PuRock' post='66224' date='Sep 14 2008, 12:07 AM']Great point. Everybody is quick to point out we had 200+ rushing yards. We still have a long way to go before our offense becomes a juggernaut. It is very easy to become delusional about our offense after the first game. I prefer to be realistic, and keep my expectations in check and hope that the Ravens can exceed and amaze me instead.

On the other side of your point. Long runs are part of the game. You can't dismiss them either. The bottom line is that our [u]actual[/u] average was not 3.4 ypc. But there are other things that we need to look at. We had neither a sack or an interception. I know the Bengals are bad, but they are still an NFL team.

WIth all that being said. It is one thing to be optimistic and another to be delusional. If we can limit our turnovers and injuries we will have a shot this year. Those are the keys, that is what killed us last year.[/quote]


Also consider that a lot of the rushing came off of a double reverse for a TD and Flacco's TD run. Also consider how many balls were dropped, fumbled or over thrown. At the end of the day does it really matter a win is exactly what it is a Win, yeah we can improve on a lot of missteps but "Just Win Baby!". Our offense will improve.

[bossman419]

i think we all know that the doo doo's defense is not intimidating at all. we need to establish the run early and score on every possesion.

it will be up to our d to shut down mr one year wonder and jlew. we win 21-7

[JHarris]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='66216' date='Sep 13 2008, 10:45 PM']We gotta protect Flacco,
look what their linebacker Andra Davis said about Big Ben ;

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I think that just puts a bulls eye on Andra Davis aand he might not be healty when the Browns come to Baltimore. I see no reason the Ravens shouldnt wi this one. The Browns will be beat up while the Ravens have a week to get rested. Cameron will have a great game plan and Ryan will plan on once again taking the recievers out by not letting Anderson have time to throw.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='JHarris' post='66243' date='Sep 14 2008, 09:55 AM']I think that just puts a bulls eye on Andra Davis aand he might not be healty when the Browns come to Baltimore. I see no reason the Ravens shouldnt wi this one. The Browns will be beat up while the Ravens have a week to get rested. Cameron will have a great game plan and Ryan will plan on once again taking the recievers out by not letting Anderson have time to throw.[/quote]

Yeah, that wasn't too smart considering how "dirty" Pittsburgh can be. Davis is going to be targeted by the refs as well and if he even comes close to hitting Ben late, they will throw the flag. He better watch his back...

[bossman419]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='66216' date='Sep 13 2008, 11:45 PM']We gotta protect Flacco,
look what their linebacker Andra Davis said about Big Ben ;

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"This game, we've just got to not worry about fines or late hits or whatever the referee is going to do," said Davis, who's 1-12 against the Steelers. "We've just got to go out and get him down because you know they take care of the quarterbacks in this league. But we've just got to put that behind us. If we get fined, we get fined. We've just got to make sure we get the job done."[/quote]
two words
LORENZO NEAL

"i think he just **** him self" i can see it now

[BrownsFan]

Personally I think a lot of this game depends on two things; the health of Josh Cribbs and our offense clicking.

Josh Cribbs has the ability to give us great field position and make big plays when needed. His status for tonight's game is still unknown as far as I've seen but they said there was a good chance he'll play earlier in the week. With our offense, they *do* have the ability to put up points and that's pretty much how they won 10 games last year; they damn sure didn't do it with defensive play.

Jurevicus is badly missed IMO, he was a great slot WR that always found a way to get the ball and get the 1st down. Braylon of course is an excellent receiver but for some reason he just has lapses in concentration or something cause he loves to drop the easy passes. Lewis' hamstring was a concern to me but last week he looked pretty good in his limited contribution. Anderson while being pressured a bit had good zip on a lot of his passes and I think he'll be fine.

It's still early of course and Pittsburgh is the next focus for Cleveland but tonight's outcome could also have a significant impact. I think most Cleveland fans alike just hoped for a 1-1 start with the majority thinking Pittsburgh could be the one to beat but we'll see.

I also am psyched about the game no matter the outcome since it's my one game a year I'll be in attendance for.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='mhead66' post='66218' date='Sep 13 2008, 10:55 PM']Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but consider this:

1. Without Flacco's 38 yard rush and Clayton's 42 yard rush, the Ravens ran for 149 yards on 44 rushes. This is 3.4 yards per carry, which would be 27th in the league. It also would have been 31st in the NFL last year.

2. In the passing game, the Ravens averaged 4.45 yards/attempt last week, 31st in the NFL. That would have been 32nd in the league last year.

3. This was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Ravens need to pick it up on offense...[/quote]

Whatever way you look at it, rushing yards are rushing yards. Flacco had 38 rushing yards and so did Clayton w/ 42. They are considered rushing yards, so that's the way I look at it. And don't even talk about passing yards, because the game plan was to rush the ball, not pass. Plus, those stats don't take into account all of the dropped passes that could've easily been caught.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='mhead66' post='66218' date='Sep 13 2008, 11:55 PM']Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but consider this:

1. Without Flacco's 38 yard rush and Clayton's 42 yard rush, the Ravens ran for 149 yards on 44 rushes. This is 3.4 yards per carry, which would be 27th in the league. It also would have been 31st in the NFL last year.

2. In the passing game, the Ravens averaged 4.45 yards/attempt last week, 31st in the NFL. That would have been 32nd in the league last year.

3. This was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Ravens need to pick it up on offense...[/quote]
Consider this. If Ravens receivers had not dropped, what at least five passes, what would the score have been?

[Ravens52]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' post='66299' date='Sep 14 2008, 07:20 PM']Consider this. If Ravens receivers had not dropped, what at least five passes, what would the score have been?[/quote]

THAT!!!!!!

[FerrariFan87]

After the Browns' first two "performances" I will be SHOCKED if we don't win by at least 2 TDs on Sunday... Oh, and we, the Ravens, have scored more points in 1 week than the Browns have in 2. Thought I would throw that little nugget of information out there

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

To be honest, I think the Brown's season last year was a fluke. Don't get me wrong, Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards, and Winslow are good players, not to mention Stallworth and Jerevicous, but I don't think they have a leginimate shot this year.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='66386' date='Sep 15 2008, 08:47 AM']To be honest, I think the Brown's season last year was a fluke. Don't get me wrong, Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards, and Winslow are good players, not to mention Stallworth and Jerevicous, but I don't think they have a leginimate shot this year.[/quote]

We beat up on bad teams last year and lost to really good ones. I don't think that's a fluke by any means as we won the games that for the most part we should of won; but I've said from day one that people (mainly analysts and such) really don't have a damn clue what they're talking about when they say we'll go 10-6 again. The schedule from last year compared to this year is IMMENSELY different.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='66386' date='Sep 15 2008, 07:47 AM']To be honest, I think the Brown's season last year was a fluke. Don't get me wrong, Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards, and Winslow are good players, not to mention Stallworth and Jerevicous, but I don't think they have a leginimate shot this year.[/quote]

I don't mind the Browns too much. But I am a believer in trends and if they are real or not. The Browns had a good season last year and I do not dismiss that. But I have to see successfull consecutive items to buy into something. One season is hardly enough for me to believe that the Browns offense will be an offensive juggernaut this year.

Now if they can repeat this year what they did do last year. Than I will become a believer in the Browns offensive capability to be dominant. So far I have seen this yet.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BrownsFan' post='66388' date='Sep 15 2008, 08:34 AM']We beat up on bad teams last year and lost to really good ones. I don't think that's a fluke by any means as we won the games that for the most part we should of won; but I've said from day one that people (mainly analysts and such) really don't have a damn clue what they're talking about when they say we'll go 10-6 again. The schedule from last year compared to this year is IMMENSELY different.[/quote]

You're exactly right. Browns won the games that they were suppose to win "on paper". Which merited them a 10-6 record last year. Now if the Browns are a serious team they need to win those extra games and take it to the next level. Games like Dallas or Pittsburgh. So far they have not done that.

They did what they were suppose to during the offseason. They sured up their defense a little. Brought in another WR. etc. In hopes of joining the ranks of the top teams.

At 0-2, Now they are back to a point in time - where they need to win the games they are suppose to. Which is what they are thinking going into the game against us on Sunday.

[Rav3nsRul3]

[quote name='PuRock' post='66393' date='Sep 15 2008, 09:49 AM']You're exactly right. Browns [b]won the games that they were suppose to win "on paper". [/b]Which merited them a 10-6 record last year. Now if the Browns are a serious team they need to win those extra games and take it to the next level. Games like Dallas or Pittsburgh. So far they have not done that.

They did what they were suppose to during the offseason. They sured up their defense a little. Brought in another WR. etc. In hopes of joining the ranks of the top teams.

At 0-2, Now they are back to a point in time - where they need to win the games they are suppose to. Which is what they are thinking going into the game against us on Sunday.[/quote]

That is exactly what we need to do in order to be successful and it is kind of funny that the Browns have become a team we are supposed to beat, especially at home! No one is giving us any credit, well we will see about that!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='mhead66' post='66218' date='Sep 13 2008, 11:55 PM']Not to be Johnny Raincloud, but consider this:

1. Without Flacco's 38 yard rush and Clayton's 42 yard rush, the Ravens ran for 149 yards on 44 rushes. This is 3.4 yards per carry, which would be 27th in the league. It also would have been 31st in the NFL last year.

2. In the passing game, the Ravens averaged 4.45 yards/attempt last week, 31st in the NFL. That would have been 32nd in the league last year.

3. This was against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Ravens need to pick it up on offense...[/quote]

If your gonna consider factors consider this one as well...The play calling was based off of how the game was playing out. If we were down the play calling would have called for more passes and we would have had more passing yards resulting in better stats per attempt but we were up so we ran as much as possible to control the clock. And in doing so we had more rushing attempts which will always diminish yrs per carry. Play calling is based off of what game situation we're in at that particular time. Clayton gets stopped on the reverse whose to say that we wouldnt have rushed it 10 more times that series and scored regardless? Flacco connects with Clayton on the deep route instead of overthrowing him by a matter of inches stats go up.

The job of the offense is to win, keep our defense off the field, score and pick up 1st downs. And if you grade our offense off of that...then we dominated. they did their job. Stats are for WR's, RB's, and fans. Ask Payton Manning about their rushing yrd p/attempt yesterday and see if he cares. Betcha that W made him sleep good last night.