Are Cary Williams And Jimmy Smith Starting Week 1

[KillaBirdTJ]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' timestamp='1313374025' post='751154']
We are paying foxworth too much to not be a starter...
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Nothing against Fox, but he's just not impressed me at all. I say trade him, along with a pick to get a solid LT (or RT)... I'd rather see Oher on the RT but what can you do? I just hope if they continue to give Oher more chances (He's had a full season @ LT, and played LT since H.S.) he really tightens up. I dont like seeing him get used/abused because he's out of position...

[xxhighriser]

looks like we are making some trade bait (foxworth and carr)
no way if our young guys keep producing that we dont try to trade one of these vets, this could help to bring in a piece for our o-line. after that this team would look almost flawless

[BMORElegacy]

Don't count Cary out, he could be our Brent Grimes. As the coaches have said repeatedly, the best players will get on the field. If Cary outperforms the likes of Foxworth, Carr, and Webb then he will get his opportunity.

I haven't been low key about my concerns when it comes to Foxworth. Sure, he could play great like he never got injured, but I just don't see that as likely. Trust me, if Foxworth comes out and plays to impress, I will be the first to get in line to bow at his feet; it's just that at this point in time I don't feel comfortable with Foxworth lining up against number one receivers... There are just too many "ifs."

[scrock]

I think you guys are taking Cary practicing with the first team a little too far, its not some signal that we are trading foxworth. We have good CB depth right now, trading someone away is not a good idea.

[KillaBirdTJ]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313375610' post='751187']
I think you guys are taking Cary practicing with the first team a little too far, its not some signal that we are trading foxworth. We have good CB depth right now, trading someone away is not a good idea.
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Good point my friend, Im just saying there just may be a cb hungry team out there (Giants) who may have the answer to our LT or C problem...

[neoi78]

Could Webb be converted to saftey? I know he played that in college. Someone said he tends to play off like a saftey so.. its an idea (that has been talked about over and over, I know)

BTW I love a Smith/Williams tandem. The 1st round pick with the rise-from-botton Williams.. they would likely motivate each other

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1313369623' post='751112']
Also, and this isn't a knock on you, just a general question.

Why is it when there is a player that certain fans are fond of, when they do well, they say hold up on the hype train. However when a seemingly fan favorite like Pitta or Art Jones does well, we say what their potential for the season could be.
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Well the reverse is true isn't it? Not all of us hold opinions that flip from one to the next, but it is still relative. Personally I'm not sold on Jones or Pitta being starters either, neither has ideal experience and like CB there is servicable depth on the DL. Cary has been in the league longer so the question remains on why a guy with 1st round measurables was drafted in the 7th round and bounced around practice squads?

[PurpleReign92]

They are to young of acquisitions to be starting against the Steelers...

[flynismo]

[quote name='KillaBirdTJ' timestamp='1313374466' post='751161']<br />Nothing against Fox, but he's just not impressed me at all. I say trade him, along with a pick to get a solid LT (or RT)... I'd rather see Oher on the RT but what can you do? I just hope if they continue to give Oher more chances (He's had a full season @ LT, and played LT since H.S.) he really tightens up. I dont like seeing him get used/abused because he's out of position...<br />[/quote]


i like the idea of trading Foxworth for a good LT (if Cary were to pan out --- if not, we need Foxy), but a CB doesn't have nearly as much trade value as a LT, so whatever we got for Foxy would probably not be a guy we want to rely on at tackle.

[MIkepoly]

foxworth will not be ready until mid season..A knee injury needs to heal all the way before rushing on the field.Words out of fox mouth was his knee doesn't feel comfortable about his knee..speaking as a former corner them words says a lot..and for jimmy he's going to give it a try with his gorin injury witch is another hard injury coming off the edge..webb and jimmy will be starting week one..or possible carr who knows the system..

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1313380132' post='751258']
Well the reverse is true isn't it? Not all of us hold opinions that flip from one to the next, but it is still relative. Personally I'm not sold on Jones or Pitta being starters either, neither has ideal experience and like CB there is servicable depth on the DL. Cary has been in the league longer so the question remains on why a guy with 1st round measurables was drafted in the 7th round and bounced around practice squads?
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Yea the same can be said on the other side.

As for Williams, 1st round measurables don't make you a first round pick. That's why most guys bust because of their measurables.

Cary was viewed as a developmental player who needed to get stronger and it's nothing wrong with that.

The Titans drafted him and basically gave up on his too soon, we picked him up and we're watching him develop. Isn't that what it's all about?

Every guy, while talented, just isn't NFL ready coming out of college. Cary is entering his 4th year and seems to be putting it all together.

I don't think he should be knocked for that. Because he didn't play much in his first 3 years.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313280579' post='750164']
reminds me of Justin Harper...looks great in the pre-season against second and third stringers. I'm not going to say 'if he was so good the coaches would play him', because well, the coaches have made some real head scratching decisions in the recent past, but I see no way how he ever hits the field on defense when Smith, Foxworth, Carr and Webb are on the roster, unless someone gets hurt. And even then they'll probably sub Haruki in, like they did last year.
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Williams looked great in pre-season last year but the reason he did not see playing time was an early injury. By then, the CB position had been solidified with some good play from Carr/Wilson/Webb. Foxworth is coming off a serious injury and has not seen playing time in over a year. IMO he was not all that great prior to his injury. Yes he improved towards the end of '09 but he was not stellar. I see no reason to believe that Williams cannot win a starting spot here.

[Gtown Purple]

Foxworth and Carr make to much to not be starting and Carr made it clear he only wanted to come back if he played a big role.I want to see more from Smith and Williams against starting caliber nfl talent before I anoint them starters. Not sure how a rookie and a career backup get vaunted to starters in peoples eyes even after one preseason game, especially over experienced nfl talent. I guess people think a couple weeks of practice after months off is enough time to get back into football shape.

[FerrariFan87]

I'd love to see Williams and Smith go up against Bowe and Breaston on Friday night

[Yurtle]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1313411895' post='751377']
I'd love to see Williams and Smith go up against Bowe and Breaston on Friday night
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Don't forget about Baldwin.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Yurtle' timestamp='1313412511' post='751378']
Don't forget about Baldwin.
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Reports on him haven't been very complimentary, especially when going against man-on-man coverage... but yeah, that would be a nice matchup to see as well.

[harfordravenfan]

Been a Williams fan since last preseason, hope to see him in Regualr season. Having two 6' corners able to press... sweet!!

[Corvus]

I've said it before and I'll say it yet again: Too much emphasis is put on the two starting corner positions throughout the league. With as many multi-receiver sets teams run out there anymore, any given team needs at least 3 starting quality corners to keep up anymore and I think we are set there with Webb, Foxworth, Smith, and Carr with Williams and Brown backing them up. It doesn't really matter who is starting because those top 4 will be seeing the field enough. Its why I didn't understand all the fuss the media was making about the Eagles having three starting corners and "only" two starting spots.

[TrueRaven1327]

cary has been running with the 1st team reently .maybe this is a sign of things to come.i really do hope so

[The King]

Looks like they're having Cary Williams and Jimmy Smith play with the first team pretty often. If Williams continues to perform well in the preseason then there's no reason why he shouldn't be the starting CB come game day. As for Jimmy Smith, he was drafted to be a starting. The idea in mind when the Ravens picked him was that he would go out and shut down the other team's number 1 WR. This wasn't unknown on draft day to anyone here, so it shouldn't surprise anyone if he's the starter.

I think the argument that Carr and Foxworth should be the starters considering their salaries is one that is not very well thought out. If they're a liability on the field, or just not the player who works best for a certain defense, then there's no reason to play them over someone who would work better. I expected Smith-Foxworth to be our starting tandem, with Carr our main nickel corner and Webb the next guy up. But Cary Williams has been pretty impressive so far, and if he can win the job I'll cheer for him as hard as any other player.

[dontbnvus]

I do not care who makes what..... I would hope the coaches would put the BEST PLAYER on the field. We do not get to see how these guys are practicing. All we get are random reports from camp and what we saw in the pre-season game. All we can do is rely on the coaches to make the decision that will be the best thing for the team.

Frankly .... I think they will. Regardles of who has what contract.

[flynismo]

Hey, they had no problem benching Willis and his contract in favor of Rice; and no problem paying Bulger more than Flacco....if Williams isnt out on the field, it wont be because of anyone's salary.

[The Raven]

I'd love to see these guys start across from each other. We could have a very talented CB tandem here. I'll wait and see after Friday. Here's hopin they both get to start Friday...

[Flacco2Mason]

Hope so

[Kwothdaraven]

Any word on how jimmy did today in practice?

[sup?]

[quote name='Flacco2Mason' timestamp='1313455963' post='752013']
Hope so
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Time for a name change?

[sup?]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1313456015' post='752014']
Any word on how jimmy did today in practice?
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They said he looked strong. He's apparently very fluid which is awesome given his size.

[Ravenskid2085]

Hope so, their size is awesome, but I just want to see them against the Chiefs 1's first. They're both great players, and are great prospects at the position.
I want to see Foxy too though, I think he was a solid corner in '09, and with him back I think we have one of the deepest secondaries we've had in a long time.

[OrganizedChaos11]

This is Pagano's D now and he came from coaching the secondary, so lets pray that Cary makes the 53, I would love to see it (another big corner to pair with Jimmy)

Keep Carr and Webb on the inside, Chykie will make the team for ST, and Foxworth for?

Tough to say if we keep 6 corners when we also have 4 safeties too...

[JohnnyTsunami10]

I like Williams but I'd prefer Smith and Webb starting because I think Webb was our best corner when healthy and Smith has dominate size and coverage skills and we need to put Webb on Wallace week one because he always does well against him and we need to put Smith on Ward because there's no way Ward will be bullying 6'2 Jimmy Smith lol and Carr in the nickel is his best spot so we would look pretty good I think.