Are Cary Williams And Jimmy Smith Starting Week 1

[flynismo]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313277119' post='750137']<br />How can you not be a Cary Williams fan? He's a big 6'2&quot; corner who makes plays when he's been given playing time. <br /><br />To say you don't like Cary is to say you don't like productive players? haha<br />[/quote]


reminds me of Justin Harper...looks great in the pre-season against second and third stringers. I'm not going to say 'if he was so good the coaches would play him', because well, the coaches have made some real head scratching decisions in the recent past, but I see no way how he ever hits the field on defense when Smith, Foxworth, Carr and Webb are on the roster, unless someone gets hurt. And even then they'll probably sub Haruki in, like they did last year.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313280579' post='750164']
reminds me of Justin Harper...looks great in the pre-season against second and third stringers. I'm not going to say 'if he was so good the coaches would play him', because well, the coaches have made some real head scratching decisions in the recent past, but I see no way how he ever hits the field on defense when Smith, Foxworth, Carr and Webb are on the roster, unless someone gets hurt. And even then they'll probably sub Haruki in, like they did last year.
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[url="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/cary_williams_gaining_ground_in_secondary.html"]My link[/url]

Pagano says they could use him against TEs or underneath guys. And he's also spent time with the 1s in training camp.

[scrock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313280579' post='750164']
reminds me of Justin Harper...looks great in the pre-season against second and third stringers. I'm not going to say 'if he was so good the coaches would play him', because well, the coaches have made some real head scratching decisions in the recent past, but I see no way how he ever hits the field on defense when Smith, Foxworth, Carr and Webb are on the roster, unless someone gets hurt. And even then they'll probably sub Haruki in, like they did last year.
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its unfortunate but true, Harbaugh or whoever really doesnt like to give guys chances, like Ellerbe he got on Harbs bad side once last year for showboating and he sat on the bench most of the year.

I think Haruki is good in coverage but I think Cary WIlliams could do the job

[D-Rey]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313281411' post='750174']
its unfortunate but true, Harbaugh or whoever really doesnt like to give guys chances,[b] like Ellerbe he got on Harbs bad side once last year for showboating and he sat on the bench most of the year. [/b]

I think Haruki is good in coverage but I think Cary WIlliams could do the job
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It was probably more than just that. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

[scrock]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1313281616' post='750178']
It was probably more than just that. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
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I know Ellerbe is probably more skilled than Gooden and McClain although McClain really started to play well last year...Ellerbe is a beast imo and if he can get on the field he can do good...

Our defense has so many options, young talented options

[Blex64]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313282130' post='750192']
I know Ellerbe is probably more skilled than Gooden and McClain although McClain really started to play well last year...Ellerbe is a beast imo and if he can get on the field he can do good...

Our defense has so many options, young talented options
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McClain's reportedly played better in camp.

[flynismo]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1313280909' post='750168']<br /><a href='http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/cary_williams_gaining_ground_in_secondary.html' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>My link</a><br /><br />Pagano says they could use him against TEs or underneath guys. And he's also spent time with the 1s in training camp.<br />[/quote]


cool, he needs to play with the starters if he is going to improve. At least he isn't the Cromartie type who's big but a pansy.

[The Raven]

I think Jimmy has a good chance to start week one, Hines Ward would be a good test to display his physical coverage. Because Hines is aging, and has slowed down, he's not as much of a threat as he used to, and would be a good first assignment for Jimmy.

Cary however, will not be starting week one. do I want to see him on the field more? Yeah, yeah i do. I wouldn't mind seeing play "CB by commitee" For example, playing Jimmy and Cary on big, physical WRs, and Webb and Foxy against the speedsters.

Foxy and Smith will start week one, but Cary will see more action imo.

[KillaBirdTJ]

All I know is im seeing this guy outplay Carr, and Webb in preseason, and in camp he is reportedly had like three interceptions in one practice, but I havent heard much about Fox, or Carr.

I guess all he (Carey Williams) can ask for at this point, is an opportunity...

[Ravensfan23]

I really like Cary. Even from last year at camp before preseason. He just seemed to move well and be around the ball alot.

His technique wasn't strong last year, but his long arms, speed and good hands made up for it. So far this year, his technique has improves greatly imo.

He'll definitely be a major part of this secondary for years to come. Maybe even starting this year, depending on how things go.

However with that said, I don't see him starting game one.

As for Jimmy Smith. That guys is huge, he looked like a LB at times on the field. I saw him come up to support the run one time and I was like man who's that guy. Then I saw the number and was like wow, that's Jimmy. He's huge

I have no doubts that Jimmy will start Week 1.

Both Jimmy and Cary(Jim Carey's a funny guy) are physical guys, and I think that fits the Ravens really well. They both are aggressive and that's something that Chuck will love about those 2 young guys. Because of their long arms and make up speed, they'll be able to sit on more routes and make plays off of Pagano's aggressive attacking style defense.

Although we didn't draft him, Cary is another gem that you just have to tip your cap to Ozzie and say job well done. He was a 7th round pick by the Titans and Ozzie snatched him off their PS. Cary has been balling every since(mainly on Special Teams).

The possibilities of those 2 starting together on the outside with Brown and Webb work the slots is a great thought. I'll say this, our secondary went from a major problem to a potential strength in the period of one season.

And one could it be a strength this year, it could be a dominant unit for the very near future. You got Jimmy at 23, Williams at 26, Webb at 25, Brown at 24, Haruki at 25, Zibby at 26 and Pollard at 26. I think the only person that can look at that group and say the Ravens are old is Warren Sapp.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1313279116' post='750155']
Having two starting cbs at 6'2 would be great but smith will be the only one starting. I'm pumped to have jimmy and foxy as our starting corners.

I just know jimmy is going to be a top 5 corner in very little time. Bank it.
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Yeah, the Jimmy is going to rule. He will win DROY and make All Pro
Carey has a chance to be a good solid corner, not a shutdown one like Jimmy though.

[wayne]

I say give Cary a shot along side Jimmy or atleast have him heavily in the rotation b/c it starts in training camp then it goes to preseason and if that player is still performing highly, he deserves a chance to start seeing some action in the regular season. He's been here for 4 years, politics to the side, let's see what he can do. Foxworth knee is giving him problems, the verdict is still out on Webb and Carr is a good slot CB.

[flynismo]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1313289805' post='750312']<br />I say give Cary a shot along side Jimmy or atleast have him heavily in the rotation b/c it starts in training camp then it goes to preseason and if that player is still performing highly, he deserves a chance to start seeing some action in the regular season. He's been here for 4 years, politics to the side, let's see what he can do. Foxworth knee is giving him problems, the verdict is still out on Webb and Carr is a good slot CB.<br />[/quote]


what politics lol? Carey is already 26 and been with us a little bit. I know we all have our favorite 'sleepers' .... Every year guys hype up players like Harper, Riley, Lawrence and Williams, and every year they never contribute...I'm just saying lets slow the hype train down til they actually do a little something.

[True]

I really like Jimmy Smith and Ladarius Webb on the outside with Chris Carr playing as the nickelback. The Jimmy would provide that good press corner on one side that disrupts the WRs route and causes the QB to avoid his side of the field. I really like Webb's speed and he has shown flashes of play making ability with ability to pick off passes and in PR/KR situations.

If Smith can lock down the other side and force the QB to look to pass to the other side than you can have Webb jump routes and pick off the Quarterback. Since this is a passing league you always want to have a good 3rd corner in nickel packages and Carr is very good at that role and usually keeps the WR he's defending in check.

I don't expect this to happen from the get go, but ideally that is how I'd expect the starting DB situation to look like. Also I excluded Dominique Foxworth because he hasn't even stepped on the field yet so I can't gauge how good/bad he will be in 2011.

[TrueRaven1327]

i would love to seee these two guys team up and lock down receivers.carey is also great on special teams

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313280579' post='750164']
reminds me of Justin Harper...looks great in the pre-season against second and third stringers. I'm not going to say 'if he was so good the coaches would play him', because well, the coaches have made some real head scratching decisions in the recent past, but I see no way how he ever hits the field on defense when Smith, Foxworth, Carr and Webb are on the roster, unless someone gets hurt. And even then they'll probably sub Haruki in, like they did last year.
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Tbh, Harper never looked good to me. His hands are pretty bad

Cary, on the other hand, always shows physicality and length when he's in playing CB

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313290273' post='750320']
what politics lol? Carey is already 26 and been with us a little bit. I know we all have our favorite 'sleepers' .... Every year guys hype up players like Harper, Riley, Lawrence and Williams, and every year they never contribute...I'm just saying lets slow the hype train down til they actually do a little something.
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Harper never did much in pre season in my opinion. Always dropped easy balls. Eron Riley, I never understood people's fascination with him. Glad he is gone. Williams looked like a nice PS player, maybe he will be better with a year under his belt.

But who the hell ever hyped up Lawrence?!

Carey Williams isn't being hyped up. His performance in camp and in the game versus Eagles is factual. People hyped up Riley and Harper from what they did in College. Carey is actually producing. Will he start week 1? No, but I think he will make the team and prove his case for a decent chunk of playing time. Especially in the Red Zone where Carr just lets people collect 6.

[ellicottraven]

I personally think Cary is ready to be a starter. Jimmy should be worked in with 3-4 games. I do believe Foxworth (if his knee holds up) should start till Jimmy is ready to take on the mantle of starting CB.... Carr as the 3rd with Webb and Chykee fighting it out for the back ups...

Webb has been disappointing. He simply lacks speed. I was high on Webb till the Philly game. Where he took the presumed fumble to the house, I saw Nakamura gain substantially on him trying to lead block for him. This was when Webb was running full speed ahead...

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1313296405' post='750403']<br />Harper never did much in pre season in my opinion. Always dropped easy balls. Eron Riley, I never understood people's fascination with him. Glad he is gone. Williams looked like a nice PS player, maybe he will be better with a year under his belt.<br /><br />But who the hell ever hyped up Lawrence?!<br /><br />Carey Williams isn't being hyped up. His performance in camp and in the game versus Eagles is factual. People hyped up Riley and Harper from what they did in College. Carey is actually producing. Will he start week 1? No, but I think he will make the team and prove his case for a decent chunk of playing time. Especially in the Red Zone where Carr just lets people collect 6.<br />[/quote]


I got a laugh outta the Lawrence comment...but maybe 'hyped up' was too strong a term, since there were only a few people who thought he should be on the roster etc.


I'll just say this, because I dont really want to make what I think a bigger deal than what I actually mean. I can see why people hype up Williams -- big, physical, made some plays. A stark contrast to what we have had to endure the last couple years, so that is also appealing. But he's a guy I want to see us take baby steps with, especially with the guys we already have aboard.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Sometimes I wonder if the guys that do get hyped up just push it to hard. You can't completely rule out the mental factor which can really mess up physical talent as well. Someone, and I don't remember too said "I don't want you to give me 110% you could rush it and make a mistake, 100 is more than enough".

[scrock]

Seems like Cary Williams has a lot of fan support but its up to the coaches to give him a chance because he can make the plays, he does it every day in practice..and in the limited game time he has seen

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313290273' post='750320']
what politics lol? Carey is already 26 and been with us a little bit. I know we all have our favorite 'sleepers' .... Every year guys hype up players like Harper, Riley, Lawrence and Williams, and every year they never contribute...I'm just saying lets slow the hype train down til they actually do a little something.
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I have to agree, theres a reason why he never plays and nobody knows who he is.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1313329932' post='750562']
I have to agree, theres a reason why he never plays and nobody knows who he is.
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you have 3 pages dedicated to whether this guy can be a starter or not and nobody knows who he is?

If you are talking from a national standpoint, they only know the big time players anyway.

Williams started seeing more and more time on defense towards the end of the season, so where the statement that he never plays comes from, is beyond me.

Last year Cary Williams was a 3rd year player, who was a 7th round pick and picked up off of the Titans PS. Maybe that's why he didn't play much. Missing the first 2 games of the season didn't help either.

Guys like that have to earn their strips on Special Teams, and then take advantage of the opportunities they are given to make plays. Williams has done just that.

Guys who are blessed enough to make it past their 2-3 years in the NFL, usually start to reach their prime in year 4-5. This being Williams' forth year in the NFL, 2nd (full) season with the Ravens, he's right in line with those numbers.

Cary Williams fits Chuck Pagano's aggressive style defense much better then Mattison's more conservative one. I think Chuck will get Cary on the field a lot this year and if he proves worthy, he'll play even more.

[Kwothdaraven]

The extra pass rush this year is only going to make jimmy even better.

Its hard for cbs to win droy unless they get a ton of picks like mccourtey did lasf year.I think qbs will be throwing elsewhere rather than at jimmy

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1313340549' post='750722']
The extra pass rush this year is only going to make jimmy even better.

Its hard for cbs to win droy unless they get a ton of picks like mccourtey did lasf year.I think qbs will be throwing elsewhere rather than at jimmy
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If our pass rush is improved and we are as aggressive as we were in the preseason, then QB won't have much of a choice.

And the thing about that is, Chuck said, we weren't showing much in the first game defensively.

Well we look more aggressive against Philly did we didn't at any point last year. So if that was showing nothing, then some offenses will be in for long days against us.

[jdynamite]

Cary Williams played very well last year in the preseason, I felt that if he didn't get suspended for those first regular season maybe he could have gotten in the rotation. He should be given a chance to get on the field with the defense....

If the packers let an undrafted cb in sam shields get significant time in the playoffs and superbowl as a rookie. Then Cary Williams can at least get in a regular season game for us... I mean we have played guys like Frank Walker.

[FerrariFan87]

Cary Williams has the size and speed necessary to be a solid corner. He has a real good chance to see the field a lot if he continues to improve.

[scrock]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1313354587' post='750957']
Cary Williams has the size and speed necessary to be a solid corner. He has a real good chance to see the field a lot if he continues to improve.
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Yeah Cary and Jimmy are both over 6ft tall, long arms, speed

Those two along with Webb...the Ravens have quality depth for sure and at some point they could be starters...Webb may be the starter week 1 along with foxworth as long as his knee is feeling better

[izvoodoo]

If we put Fabian washington on the field, I'm sure we can find a spot for Cary. it's not like he's ever looked bad.


BUT HE IS NOT STARTING! seriously, guy looks good against 2nd stringers and everyone wants to put him on mike wallace.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1313357210' post='750998']
If we put Fabian washington on the field, I'm sure we can find a spot for Cary. it's not like he's ever looked bad.
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BUT HE IS NOT STARTING! seriously, guy looks good against 2nd stringers and everyone wants to put him on mike wallace.[/b]
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I'll agree he's not starting week 1. However, It can be said, that Williams can only perform against the players he's allowed to perform against.

In the Redskins game last year, Cary was playing with the first team defense, and against the Redskins 1s.

He showed good awareness not to bite on the playaction, stuck to Santana Moss like glue, and baited McNabb to throw the ball. All Cary had to do was finish the play and he did.

So I wouldn't say he has looked good soley against 2nd string guys.

Now you might say, it was McNabb and Moss, both are washed up, but nevertheless they were starts for an NFL team and Cary Williams pretty much single handedly beat them on one play.

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