Are Cary Williams And Jimmy Smith Starting Week 1

[KillaBirdTJ]

The topic title says it all. I know there has been only one preseason game played, but Im basing this off of what I have personally seen over the past few seasons.

I don't know exactly when Raven cb's started giving 10+ yards of cushion to basically every wr, but it looks bad. Whats worse is when they still give up the catch and/or big play.

I love Carey Williams spirit! He is in your face at the line, he is big and physical, and a ball hawk as is Jimmy Smith. I say why not? It's long overdue if you ask me.

Foxworth; In MY opinion he is a #3 corner
Carr; #4 (#3 on a good day)
Webb; potential but needs to develope more physicality and ball hawking skills on the field

[scrock]

I really like Cary Williams, I'm just hoping the coaches let him play some on defense this year. So I seriously doubt he is starting in week 1. Same goes for Jimmy Smith he tweaked his groin and missed a few days of practice, chances are he won't be starting week 1 either. I think he will get on the field and if he picks it up and plays well he could be starting at some point this season.

[Clutch Ravens]

They're the most talented corners on our roster, but I highly doubt either are ready to take over a starting role early this season.

[D_UP]

I would really like to see Williams be given a chance the guy has talent.

[Alexir]

Starters week 1? No. Starting games by the end of the season? Very possible. Especially if Foxworth is still a giant slip and slide and if Carr still plays like poo on the outside.

[KillaBirdTJ]

I think those two being backed up by Chykie Brown and Ladarious Webb would be a bright future for us...

I hate to see Wr's have an easy night, getting off the line with NO bump but a 10 - 15 yard cushion! Then they almost always beat the coverage in spite of the cushion... It makes me want to puke.

[RL52TheGreatest]

That would definitely be interesting to see. As long as Cary gets more of an opportunity this year then I'll be happy even if he doesn't start. He showed some potential last preseason so I was pretty ticked off when he ended up playing mainly on special teams.

[xxhighriser]

that'd be a tall cb tandem, which is a good thing. then have carr at the nickel which he excels. then again, there has to be some reason why williams hasn't seen time, if we have noticed his great play in the preseason the last couple years the coaches had to have too

[jimmysmith3]

I think we're getting a little too carried away on the Cary Williams bandwagon. He has only seem time playing against reserves in preseason games. Although he has played well and I would like to see him get a shot once the season starts, I think we need to see him matched up against 1s in the preseason like Dwayne Bowe this week.

[izvoodoo]

Oh my god Webb got turned around and Carr got beat on a juke. IT HAPPENS! CALM DOWN.

Cary will play and will help, he seems to found his spot.

IT'S 2 PLAYS IN PRESEASON CHILL!

[Gordo52]

Foxworth is definetly starting week 1. Now Carr or Smith is the question. Carr most likely because he has expierence, but Jimmy Smith will by end of year

[arnie_uk]

foxworth is not "definatly" starting week one, he has to show his knee is mended and can handle all the cuts and running that comes with starting against a tough and agressive hines ward. i would say although a rookie, smith would be great on ward, bump him rough him up. He hasnt got the speed or the height to trouble j smith, just experince and great route running... bump him at the line and be physical you could esily shut ward out of the whole game.

I dont think were going to have set starters this year at cb. we have 3 good cbs, weeb carr and fox, we have 1 corner with great shutdown potential in smith and williams has good potential.. i can see all 5 being rotated in and out in different situations, different teams, different wideouts, until 2 people show they are TRUE starters above the other 3.

Right now, they are all about even, but i think smith would be great on ward week one due to his physical assets, while webb/carr no. 2 on wallace. thats just me, but as said if fox is fit he'll start week one due to Exp, no.2 slot is really anybodays to take at the min, we have good depth and competetion at CB

[hawkprey]

Cary might not play CB all year. Reason being he played well last preseason but didn't make the D then. It seems like he's outperformed expectations but hasn't gotten anything from it.

Maybe the coaches see some flaw in his game that we don't?


Then there's [url="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/08/cary_williams_gaining_ground_in_secondary.html"]this[/url]:
[quote]Williams had another good day in training camp on Saturday, intercepting his third pass in two practices. He has gotten work with the first team and excelled to the point that new defensive coordinator Chuck Pagano says the Ravens will find a place for the 6-foot-1 corner.[/quote]

Maybe Mattison was the one holding him down.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1313273233' post='750070']
foxworth is not "definatly" starting week one, he has to show his knee is mended and can handle all the cuts and running that comes with starting against a tough and agressive hines ward. i would say although a rookie, smith would be great on ward, bump him rough him up. He hasnt got the speed or the height to trouble j smith, just experince and great route running... bump him at the line and be physical you could esily shut ward out of the whole game.

I dont think were going to have set starters this year at cb. we have 3 good cbs, weeb carr and fox, we have 1 corner with great shutdown potential in smith and williams has good potential.. i can see all 5 being rotated in and out in different situations, different teams, different wideouts, until 2 people show they are TRUE starters above the other 3.

Right now, they are all about even, but i think smith would be great on ward week one due to his physical assets, while webb/carr no. 2 on wallace. thats just me, but as said if fox is fit he'll start week one due to Exp, no.2 slot is really anybodays to take at the min, we have good depth and competetion at CB
[/quote]

Cary Williams seems like he can play safety on passing downs. Jimmy should start if he looks good in preseason. Would you bench a top 10 pick? Because that's what jimmy can be.

[theFRANCHISE]

Domonique Foxworth is a #1 CB and will be the team's #1 CB -- he just isn't the popular choice because of these reasons:

1) He struggled early in 2009, but people forget how he rebounded once he got acclimated to the defensive playbook
2) He's 5'11", and people are enamored with tall corners
3) He's not a "name" in the traditional sense, so people assume that he's not talented
4) He had been largely under the radar prior to his signing in Baltimore, so the assumption is that he's merely average
5) He's not a shutdown corner, in a league where modern shutdown corners are rare
6) He essentially replaced the beloved Chris McAlister
7) He doesn't have gaudy numbers
8) He's not Nnamdi Asomugha or Darrelle Revis
9) He's "overpaid"
10) He's not as brash or loud as Ray Lewis and Ed Reed

There's probably other reasons, but those are the 10 that stick out in my mind. That said, I believe that those reasons are largely unfounded. Foxworth, unlike Oniel Cousins and other players, has not done anything to lose a game. Even when he struggled, he didn't outright blow a game. We've been spoiled by Chris McAlister for so long, people forget that the value of a starting CB isn't just interceptions and pass deflections, but also whether they can stop plays on crucial downs and avoid penalties -- which, by and large, Foxworth has.

[arnie_uk]

no, im saying he should start, i just think harbs might opt for experince week 1, but i want him on ward, as said bump and be physical with ward he could be shut out, and smith is by far our most physical specimen at corner

[hawkprey]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1313273509' post='750078']
no, im saying he should start, i just think harbs might opt for experince week 1, but i want him on ward, as said bump and be physical with ward he could be shut out, and smith is by far our most physical specimen at corner
[/quote]

We don't need Smith on Ward when Carr pretty much shut him down last year. Hines has been showing his age lately. He's not the threat he once was.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1313273743' post='750082']
We don't need Smith on Ward when Carr pretty much shut him down last year. Hines has been showing his age lately. He's not the threat he once was.
[/quote]
so in answer to the original posters question you would have carr starting and who? maybe having a physical corner like smith on wallace might be more benfical,dont give him a chance to use his speed.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1313273464' post='750077']
Domonique Foxworth is a #1 CB and will be the team's #1 CB -- he just isn't the popular choice because of these reasons:

1) He struggled early in 2009, but people forget how he rebounded once he got acclimated to the defensive playbook
2) He's 5'11", and people are enamored with tall corners
3) He's not a "name" in the traditional sense, so people assume that he's not talented
4) He had been largely under the radar prior to his signing in Baltimore, so the assumption is that he's merely average
5) He's not a shutdown corner, in a league where modern shutdown corners are rare
6) He essentially replaced the beloved Chris McAlister
7) He doesn't have gaudy numbers
8) He's not Nnamdi Asomugha or Darrelle Revis
9) He's "overpaid"
10) He's not as brash or loud as Ray Lewis and Ed Reed

There's probably other reasons, but those are the 10 that stick out in my mind. That said, I believe that those reasons are largely unfounded. Foxworth, unlike Oniel Cousins and other players, has not done anything to lose a game. Even when he struggled, he didn't outright blow a game. We've been spoiled by Chris McAlister for so long, people forget that the value of a starting CB isn't just interceptions and pass deflections, but also whether they can stop plays on crucial downs and avoid penalties -- which, by and large, Foxworth has.
[/quote]

The way the cornerback market has exploded over the past few years, Foxworth's contract isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. It was unlucky that he tore his ACL last season.

[scrock]

I don't think we're getting caught up on the Carry Williams bandwagon, I think its just from the guy making plays in training camp for the past two years and making plays in preseason games, basically he's made plays any time he's been given a chance to..I think that's reason enough to be excited about him.

[flynismo]

Not a Cary Williams fan. Doubt he ever starts for us.Smith and Foxy will be our starters, if not week one, shortly thereafter. They're our two most talented CB.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1313274439' post='750097']
so in answer to the original posters question you would have carr starting and who? maybe having a physical corner like smith on wallace might be more benfical,dont give him a chance to use his speed.
[/quote]

Foxworth should start unless he's still feeling the effects of his injury, and Webb should start too. He might be the only one fast enough to consistently keep up with Wallace and Brown. I know he's gotten burned a few times, but remember he did bat 2 deep passes away in the first game vs. Steelers that could have cost us.

I'd like to say that Smith and Williams are good enough to start, but none of us fans know much about them on the field.

[KillaBirdTJ]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313275034' post='750108']
I don't think we're getting caught up on the Carry Williams bandwagon, I think its just from the guy making plays in training camp for the past two years and making plays in preseason games, basically he's made plays any time he's been given a chance to..I think that's reason enough to be excited about him.
[/quote]

Truth. Carey Williams has shown alot of hustle out there breaking up passes, open field tackles, and interceptions. I think he can be as physical as Jimmy Smith, and he seems comfortable playing up in the recievers face...

I hope Foxworth comes in and impresses, all I remember is back in 2009 ALL of our corner's (Fox, Walker, Washington, and Carr) had my blood boiling. lol

Fox did improved alot towards the end of the season (thats about when Webb came in as a rookie and played well).

[scrock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1313276382' post='750131']
Not a Cary Williams fan. Doubt he ever starts for us.Smith and Foxy will be our starters, if not week one, shortly thereafter. They're our two most talented CB.
[/quote]

How can you not be a Cary Williams fan? He's a big 6'2" corner who makes plays when he's been given playing time.

To say you don't like Cary is to say you don't like productive players? haha

[pitchblack_20]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1313275034' post='750108']
I don't think we're getting caught up on the Carry Williams bandwagon, I think its just from the guy making plays in training camp for the past two years and making plays in preseason games, basically he's made plays any time he's been given a chance to..I think that's reason enough to be excited about him.
[/quote]

spoken [written] to perfection

[Blex64]

I don't know why on earth you'd think Williams and Smith would be the starters, they're the 2 least experienced corners.

I'd expect some rotation of Carr/Foxworth/Webb to start, with Smith and possibly Williams being worked in as the season progresses.

[Kwothdaraven]

i think jimmy smith will definitely be starting week one. when ozzie called him from the war room in draft day he told him they drafted him to start day 1. his groin is not a big deal and still has a month to recover which is far more than enough. he looked tight as could be in coverage on thursday and played more physical than all our cbs combined. he will start day 1, trust me. Cornerback is one of the positions in football where a rookie can step in and contribute day 1. he is clearly the better option than carr or webb right now. dont be surprised if hes even the #1 for week 1. we will all see his skills next friday

[RoflDogs]

No chance in hell Cary* starts week 1


Why?

$$$$

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1313278230' post='750146']
No chance in hell Cary* starts week 1


Why?

$$$$
[/quote]
Yea, he'll be our 4th CB at best.

[Kwothdaraven]

Having two starting cbs at 6'2 would be great but smith will be the only one starting. I'm pumped to have jimmy and foxy as our starting corners.

I just know jimmy is going to be a top 5 corner in very little time. Bank it.