The "Uh-O-Line"

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1313260625' post='749932']
He can't be any worse than Cousins. Can he? Is that even possible?
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No one is worse than Cousins. Harewood is a beast and can help out on the left or right. I hope Harewood preforms good enough to get the starting spot. Lets never let Cousins play again.

[scrock]

Harewood's development has been hurt by his injuries last year, he has the physical tools but at this time he's probably not there technique wise...I'm sure things will get better, they have to..

[PeRK82]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' timestamp='1313169711' post='748003']
With an O-line like the one I saw last night, we are one injury away from a very long season. I know its the preseason/still early but I really think the last couple years we have been one player away from a Superbowl....

This year in my opinion we have taken a step back. We lost too many starters and have been too complacent during FA - allbeit a neceessary step to ensure we can lock up our marquee players.

Last years patch work was great with the addition of Josh Wilson - still scratching my head at why we didnt try and bring him back a little harder. But we had a need on the offensive line last year and we still have that same need and then some. Last year we were left in the dark regarding Gaither and held out hope he would return... This year we know Gaither wont return and have no suitable replacement - unless you consider Oher that replacement - I'd like him back at RT persoanlly.

Anyway, I'm not sure who the heck we are going to turn to nor am I confident Ozzie will be able to pull a rabbit out of his hat ala Josh Wilson, but one thing is certain...

In Ozzie we trust or with Ozzie we rust.

/rant
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Your absolutely right, i dont understand why this wasn't addressed in the offseason, in all honesty what did we do to address the O Line, really what did we do. I dont know about you but i dont want Yanda at RT, he is better at G, Im hoping Reid gets more reps and gets up to speed with the Offense if not, we our screwed. Cant throw a deep ball when you only have a second and half to get rid of it. Why isnt Flacco playing shotgun to buy an extra second. We are playing exactly like we were last yr but even worse which i didnt think was possible. The Eagles defense knew we were going to run the ball and stacking the line, in some cases they didnt even need to stack it and were still getting penetration. I know its preseason but is it possible to see some new plays or formations. Its really sad if you ask me.

They need to put Oher to the right side so atleast we arnt weak at both sides, it'll never work, put Oher on the right side and have a FB or TE to block on the left side to help on the weak end. Makes sense to me.

[izvoodoo]

Yanda has back spasms Aiy.

coach John Harbaugh said Yanda is dealing w back spasms and Cody is dealing w an ankle.

[xxhighriser]

The front office is not oblivious to the whooping we took a couple nights ago, and they are most likely trying to work something out. Can we please start being a little more patient on this board? There is a reason why it's called "pre-season." With that said NO ONE on here is a GM and if you think these 5 second thought out ideas haven''t gone through Ozzie's and the coaching staffs head, you're probably wrong. Fortunately building a team takes longer than 5 seconds because by the looks of some of these posts we would be even worst off with the suggestions.

[RL52TheGreatest]

Obviously our O-line has a lot of work to do, but they still have 3 more preseason games to get it ironed out. I don't know who's available in terms of O-line help, but even if we don't sign anyone else then I still have confidence in the players we have. I'm not gonna go into "panic" mode after one preseason game and not to mention, that one game comes after a long off-season with no training camp.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Even if Harewood hasn't seen the field in awhile, I hope he gets to play a few snaps next game. The dude is huge. 6'6" 340 pounds. I've seen a few highlights from him and he didn't look to bad on the college level. And hey, Cousins looked bad, so he can either be at that level or better.

[scrock]

Harbaugh also said they are still looking to add players....so i imagine they would be looking for some OL help

[omar586]

harewood might b a decent OT, he can be any worse than cousins, cousins been with us for 4 yrs now, harewood will take over, no worries

[scrock]

Harewood needs to come off the PUP list and get some work in though, the Ravens still dont know what he's going to be..other than a project

[hawkprey]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1313267552' post='749986']
Your absolutely right,[b] i dont understand why this wasn't addressed in the offseason, in all honesty what did we do to address the O Line, really what did we do.[/b] I dont know about you but i dont want Yanda at RT, he is better at G, Im hoping Reid gets more reps and gets up to speed with the Offense if not, we our screwed. Cant throw a deep ball when you only have a second and half to get rid of it. Why isnt Flacco playing shotgun to buy an extra second. We are playing exactly like we were last yr but even worse which i didnt think was possible. The Eagles defense knew we were going to run the ball and stacking the line, in some cases they didnt even need to stack it and were still getting penetration. I know its preseason but is it possible to see some new plays or formations. Its really sad if you ask me.

They need to put Oher to the right side so atleast we arnt weak at both sides, it'll never work, put Oher on the right side and have a FB or TE to block on the left side to help on the weak end. Makes sense to me.
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We signed Yanda and spent a 3rd (and a 6th to move up) on a tackle.

We also fired our O-line coach and promoted Moeller.

[PurpleReign92]

What I don't understand is every year on any team Cam orchestrated an offense that had great pass protection and great blocking except for Baltimore. I don't understand why we have [u][b]unguarded blocking assignments[/b][/u] every year? I mean Cam is our offensive coordinator something has to give!

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313278515' post='750150']
What I don't understand is every year on any team Cam orchestrated an offense that had great pass protection and great blocking except for Baltimore. I don't understand why we have [u][b]unguarded blocking assignments[/b][/u] every year? I mean Cam is our offensive coordinator something has to give!
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First off, other than San Diego, what offense has he coordinated, that had success???

i'd really like to hear you elaborate on that... Idon't think he would run a play (at the NFL level) with unblocked players, that aren't DBs. So, could you provide me with an example of a play in which we just left aguy unblocked? I'm pretty certain though, that would just be a missed assignment.

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313283270' post='750214']
First off, other than San Diego, what offense has he coordinated, that had success???

i'd really like to hear you elaborate on that... Idon't think he would run a play (at the NFL level) with unblocked players, that aren't DBs. So, could you provide me with an example of a play in which we just left aguy unblocked? I'm pretty certain though, that would just be a missed assignment.
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Who was guarding Troy P when he lined up to sack Qb Joe Flacco # 5 this happened last year second series!!!!!

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313287040' post='750269']
Who was guarding Troy P when he lined up to sack Qb Joe Flacco # 5 this happened last year second series!!!!!
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That's not on Cam... That's on Flacco and the RBs my friend. Flacco has to audible, and the backs gotta pick him up. It's simple football knowledge really. Cam can't call an audible for him, he's not on the field.

Do you expect Cam to call a play, completely expecting Polamalu to be on that blitz? Good try.

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313288722' post='750298']
That's not on Cam... That's on Flacco and the RBs my friend. Flacco has to audible, and the backs gotta pick him up. It's simple football knowledge really. Cam can't call an audible for him, he's not on the field.

Do you expect Cam to call a play, completely expecting Polamalu to be on that blitz? Good try.
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If I was the OC and saw Palamalu lined up on the line you know something is going on I would call time out. He is a safety he plays off the ball! Hopefully now with Vonte Leach we won't let that happen any longer..

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313289608' post='750308']
If I was the OC and saw Palamalu lined up on the line you know something is going on I would call time out. He is a safety he plays off the ball! Hopefully now with Vonte Leach we won't let that happen any longer..
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That would be a COMPLETE waste of a timeout. Why would you call a timeout, just because Troy showed pressure? If we called a timeout everytime a player showed pressure, the Steelers would run us out of timeouts by our 2nd possession. There's no logic in that.

The claim that "He is a safety, he plays off the ball" is irrelevant, because it's common knowledge that Troy [i]excels[/i] at playing close to the LOS. I am positive that there are some sort of blocking adjustments that could have been made to pick up the blitz, but ultimately, its up to Flacco to call the audible, and the backs to pick him up. I agree with you, that with Leach, it will be prevented in the future, he's a great FB in pass pro and run blocking.

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313288722' post='750298']
That's not on Cam... That's on Flacco and the RBs my friend. Flacco has to audible, and the backs gotta pick him up. It's simple football knowledge really. Cam can't call an audible for him, he's not on the field.

Do you expect Cam to call a play, completely expecting Polamalu to be on that blitz? Good try.
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When Cam Cameron was a head coach for the dolphins they had a very high pick in the draft after a terrible season who did they select?

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313323747' post='750518']
When Cam Cameron was a head coach for the dolphins they had a very high pick in the draft after a terrible season who did they select?
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Jake Long, but that question is entirely incoherent... In fact, Cam was already fired by the time the draft rolled around. What does that have to do with the topic??

[Clutch Ravens]

There are much better Guards on the Market just now than there are tackles so, working with that: I'd want us to sign Leonard Davis (Cowboy Cap Casualty), slide him into Right Guard (Mauler in the run game, not the best pass protector) and kick Yanda back out to tackle.

What people don't seem to realise is that Yanda was, infact, one of the best Right Tackles in the NFL last year. The problem was Chris Chester playing right guard - he doesn't get any push in the run game and is mediocre in pass protection.

Yanda is twice the Right Tackle Jah Reid/Oniel Cousins/Ramon Harewood is.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1313329002' post='750549']
There are much better Guards on the Market just now than there are tackles so, working with that: I'd want us to sign Leonard Davis (Cowboy Cap Casualty), slide him into Right Guard (Mauler in the run game, not the best pass protector) and kick Yanda back out to tackle.

What people don't seem to realise is that Yanda was, infact, one of the best Right Tackles in the NFL last year. The problem was Chris Chester playing right guard - he doesn't get any push in the run game and is mediocre in pass protection.

Yanda is twice the Right Tackle Jah Reid/Oniel Cousins/Ramon Harewood is.
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No. No no no no no! Have you not read the countless times Harbaugh and Ozzie said they're keeping Yanda at RG this year? Yanda will be playing RG this year. Simple. As. That.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313289608' post='750308']
If I was the OC and saw Palamalu lined up on the line you know something is going on I would call time out. He is a safety he plays off the ball! Hopefully now with Vonte Leach we won't let that happen any longer..
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well the only problem with that is, Troy wasn't lined up at the LOS. Harrison was.

Just before the snap of the ball, Harrison slide down and Troy moved up to the LOS.

Also, based of that same logic, the Ravens game winning TD against Pit wouldn't have happened because Troy was at the LOS and you would have called a TO instead of allowing your players to block him.

[Ravensfan23]

After re-watching the game, our starting unit didn't do as poorly as it seemed. Now before I continue, I don't count Cousins as apart of our starting unit anymore.

Harbs has suggested that he'll be moved to Guard and I think it's long over do.

Now back to the game. The Eagles actually game planned for the Ravens that. There plan appeared to be, run blitz us on first and second downs. The Ravens really didn't have an answer for it, because didn't game plan for them. We just had a few plays we wanted to see executed.

On the second drive of the game, our running game started to move, because the Eagles didn't run blitz us, so we were able to just iso block and have Leach get to the second level.

Brain Mattison did a much better job with combo blocks and getting to the second level then I thought he would. I actually really like our interior, Grubbs, Mattison and Yanda.

Oher struggled at times, but I think that had as much to do with the lack of OTAs, more so then an indication of what to expect from him this season. I expect to see Oher improve week to week, actually practice to practice. I think we'll be just fine there.

I think Jah Reid will be more then fin at RT, but we'll still attempt to add a vet. We'll definitely need the depth. I'm really interested in seeing how Harewood has improved from last year.

I know most of us have been saying how we need a veteran OG/C, but I'll tell you what. I was really impressed with Bartholomew, Barnes, and Boren. Boren is a nasty dude man, I really like him. Add those guys to Mattison, and although unproven, the Ravens might have some strong depth in the interior of the line.

I'd actually go as far as to say, that one of those guys might push Cousins off the team this year. But they'll have to play really well in preseason, being rookies and all.

Bartholomew, Barnes and Boren, really worked well together in the interior when they were out there at the same time. It was our tackle play that failed us, with Tyrod on the field, mainly Cousins.

I think the more we get to see this oline, the more we'll be impressed with them. Especially the young guys.

For people that say Ozzie has completely ignored the Oline, think again. Once the timing and spacing of the oline gets worked out, I think they'll actually go back to a strength for us. In 2008 and 2009 our oline was viewed as one of the best young groups in the NFL. You don't just lose that during the course of one season.

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313328431' post='750545']
Jake Long, but that question is entirely incoherent... In fact, Cam was already fired by the time the draft rolled around. What does that have to do with the topic??
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hence my original thought was Cam's emphasis on blocking and with the 1st pick in 2008 NFL draft Miami Dolphins select the best tackle in the draft...

[berad]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313336506' post='750646']
hence my original thought was Cam's emphasis on blocking and with the 1st pick in 2008 NFL draft Miami Dolphins select the best tackle in the draft...
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But he said Cam was already fired

[PurpleReign92]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1313336666' post='750652']
But he said Cam was already fired
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If you are saying that Cam had nothing to do with the drafting of Jake Long..
Then this disproves my whole argument to say the least..

[hawkprey]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313338942' post='750684']
If you are saying that Cam had nothing to do with the drafting of Jake Long..
Then this disproves my whole argument to say the least..
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Yes. In fact, Cam must've done such a bad job with Miami's offense that they said "Well damn, we better spend our 1st pick on a tackle!"

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1313338942' post='750684']
If you are saying that Cam had nothing to do with the drafting of Jake Long..
Then this disproves my whole argument to say the least..
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Sorry man, Cam was fired long before the draft happened, he had very little, to nothing to do with the drafting of Jake Long.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313329292' post='750551']
No. No no no no no! Have you not read the countless times Harbaugh and Ozzie said they're keeping Yanda at RG this year? Yanda will be playing RG this year. Simple. As. That.
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That's funny, because there's an article on the home page stating Yanda at Right Tackle is a "possibility".

Want to know why? Top remaining FA Guard/Yanda is better than any combination of Yanda/Cousins, Yanda/Reid or Yanda/Harewood.

Yanda's a top 5 NFL right tackle and having him play there gives us much better options to sort out the offensive line.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1313477216' post='752274']
That's funny, because there's an article on the home page stating Yanda at Right Tackle is a "possibility".

Want to know why? Top remaining FA Guard/Yanda is better than any combination of Yanda/Cousins, Yanda/Reid or Yanda/Harewood.

[b]Yanda's a top 5 NFL right tackle[/b] and having him play there gives us much better options to sort out the offensive line.
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You think Yanda's a top 5 RT? He's definitely good but I don't think he's that good. I agree that right now that combination you mentioned of top remaining FA Guard/Yanda would probably be best for us but if Yanda was that good then we'd have kept him there. I remember him having his fair share of issues in pass pro last year.