Why Do Other Teams Fans Think The Ravens Run A 3-4?

[Cabinny_X]

I seem to remember when Rex took over the D Co position it ended up straying away from that particular distinction. To my understanding and I have heard it described as such it is a hybrid 4-3, it is never the same look really it can be any Distribution possible.

I only bring this up because I have seen so many people try to make comparisons between our D and what Dick Lebeau runs in Pitt (and while I do love his schemes and have always thought his was a genius mind)! I feel that there are too many inherent differences for the two to ever really be compared, though they are set up to do the same thing they do go about it a little differently.

I have also seen some posters making allusions to players from Pitt not being able to start on our D, and vice versa. That is just plain stupid I would take quite a few pitt players and be happy as I am sure Pitt fans would of us ( this I know for a fact since I live in hell I mean Pittsburgh)!

Just wanted to throw all that out and see what my fellow fans thoughts are.

[BloodRaven]

We dont run a 3-4 we run a hybrid defense designed to confuse.

I wouldnt take any of their linemen, not even Hampton (too slow). I would take Polamalu over Landry though.

[akacrow]

Pitt does not run a typical 3/4 they run one 2 gap NT and two 1 gap DT/DEs. The Ravens run a hybrid D yes but it is base 3/4.

A standard 4/3 consists of 4 DL who all have one gap responsibility. A standard 3/4 has 3 DL with 2 gap responsibility. Our DL have 2 gap responsibility.

A 4/3 has 3 LBs who can cover Man vs Man on RBs and TEs even with Suggs hand in the dirt only Ray and Bart are coverage linebackers JJ is not even close. JJ and Suggs are zone coverage LBs.

IMO we are more 3/4 then 4/3 even though we can feign a 4/3 and a 46.

We are kind of a 46, 3/4, 4/3

Oh what the heck it sure is a sweet defense

[Redreed]

[quote name='akacrow' post='65379' date='Sep 11 2008, 02:16 AM']Pitt does not run a typical 3/4 they run one 2 gap NT and two 1 gap DT/DEs. The Ravens run a hybrid D yes but it is base 3/4.

A standard 4/3 consists of 4 DL who all have one gap responsibility. A standard 3/4 has 3 DL with 2 gap responsibility. Our DL have 2 gap responsibility.

A 4/3 has 3 LBs who can cover Man vs Man on RBs and TEs even with Suggs hand in the dirt only Ray and Bart are coverage linebackers JJ is not even close. JJ and Suggs are zone coverage LBs.

IMO we are more 3/4 then 4/3 even though we can feign a 4/3 and a 46.

We are kind of a 46, 3/4, 4/3

Oh what the heck it sure is a sweet defense [/quote]

Some true, if you go to BR.com and watch the 'behind the bench' you can hear Suggs complaining about being confused about his gap responsibility. He very rarely plays in space. JJ actually does end up playing in space, much more often than Suggs, for better or for worse. We do have 2 gap linemen, but it's not like a 3/4 in that Bart will play over Trevor on more than 50% of the snaps, and JJ will cover up an end on over 50% of the snaps, which is much more of a 46 look. 46 also employing a 2 gap NT (KG) and 2 gap DEs (Ngata & Pryce), but the down LBs are single gap, or no gap players. 46 also being the defense invented by Rex's father. It's certainly a hybrid of all defenses. I think even saw Barnes line up 20 yards off of the line last week?

[akacrow]

Trying to pigeon hole the ravens D as one or the other is really difficult. IMHO they are more 3/4 then 4/3 base but also could as you say be viewed as a 46. But the SS is used in coverage and the 46 is all about 8 in the box yet Rex likes to defend the run with 7 in the box. A true 46 uses an in the box SS just like the original #46 Doug Plank. I have seen the D line shift like they were in a 46 with the linebackers overloading the weak side and no safety in the box!

As for Suggs "not being sure of his gap responsibility" I don't blame him. Also Suggs he has been dropping into coverage more often he had 2 passes defended vs Cinci one vs Housyermoma, It was sweet seeing Suggs in H-momas face.

Lets just say its bad ****** or a B/A defense.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Our defense is one of a kind and there is only one name for it...kick***

[Cabinny_X]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='65389' date='Sep 11 2008, 08:00 AM']Our defense is one of a kind and there is only one name for it...kick***[/quote]

Here here, Cheers and any other agreement I could spout! I love our D and love watching the pandemonium it seems to cause even more so.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='65389' date='Sep 11 2008, 03:00 AM']Our defense is one of a kind and there is only one name for it...kick***[/quote]

Our D has also been known as

[b]Organized Chaos[/b]

by other coaches. I like that name better. Besides... You have to be really good to play front 7 on ours because of what you will be doing. After all.... Its going to be a lot of work to know what to do when the D looks like a 3-4, 4-3 or 4-6 depending on what Rex Ryan is wanting to do to the opposing teams offense.

[Redreed]

[quote name='akacrow' post='65384' date='Sep 11 2008, 05:37 AM']Trying to pigeon hole the ravens D as one or the other is really difficult. IMHO they are more 3/4 then 4/3 base but also could as you say be viewed as a 46. But the SS is used in coverage and the 46 is all about 8 in the box yet Rex likes to defend the run with 7 in the box. A true 46 uses an in the box SS just like the original #46 Doug Plank. I have seen the D line shift like they were in a 46 with the linebackers overloading the weak side and no safety in the box!

As for Suggs "not being sure of his gap responsibility" I don't blame him. Also Suggs he has been dropping into coverage more often he had 2 passes defended vs Cinci one vs Housyermoma, It was sweet seeing Suggs in H-momas face.

Lets just say its bad ****** or a B/A defense.[/quote]
Times have changed, and so has the 46 Landry doesn't line up in the box, but he will frequently play an 'under' bracket while Eddie plays the 'over' bracket. And that too is signature 46. I know it's impossible to call us any one particular set, but I really think that the basics of our D are a new-age 46. But, that's just my humble opinion. All that stacking the weak side and playing a true 2 gap NT is purely 46 to me.

[Cabinny_X]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='65466' date='Sep 11 2008, 03:10 PM']Our D has also been known as

[b]Organized Chaos[/b]

by other coaches. I like that name better. Besides... You have to be really good to play front 7 on ours because of what you will be doing. After all.... Its going to be a lot of work to know what to do when the D looks like a 3-4, 4-3 or 4-6 depending on what Rex Ryan is wanting to do to the opposing teams offense.[/quote]

Well there is one thing you know he wants to do and that is confuse the life out of the opposing QB, on that more often then not he succeeds famously.

[FerrariFan87]

Yeah, we run a "hybrid" 4-3 which sometimes turns into a 4-6 and other variations along those lines... last week we began in a 3-4 set with Pryce, Ngata, and one other on the line with Suggs, Ray, Bart, and JJ at the LB. That's rather ridiculous! Can you imagine seeing that Front 7? Wow, and Buddy Lee wasn't in there either!

[Eurich]

Suggs normally lines up at DE which is why he argued his franchise tag.

[rayvenfan_52]

which is why when in a 3-4 Suggs could sometimes move from OLB to DE. Which could then look like a 4-3 or if Landry is moved as well as JJ itll then look like a 46.

[akacrow]

NFL network did a piece on 34 defense with Billick explaining the 34 philosophy. Billick used Suggs role in the ravens D as an example of how the 34 works for what it is worth.

[smashmouth]

As it has been stated the Ravens run any and every Defense there is including schemes that QB's and not even head coaches know what it is, But Rex Ryan does and so does the Ravens defensive players. Figured I would find a couple articles on it. Whne Rex was promoted to D-Cord He switched from the 3-4 to the 4-6, although we dont run the typical 4-6, we did alot more back then when we had Will Demps.
"Defensive coordinator Rex Ryan, who was promoted from defensive line coach after Mike Nolan left to coach the San Francisco 49ers, is implementing the 46 defense, which was made famous by his father. Buddy Ryan devised the 46 defense -- in which eight players crowd the line and blitz frequently -- for the Chicago Bears, who won the 1986 Super Bowl."

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/13/AR2005061301547.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5061301547.html[/url]


This artical came out in 06 after we shut out the steelers explaining how we Blitzed from every D package.
"Defensive coordinator Rex Ryan estimated the Ravens blitzed on only 50 percent of the 62 Steelers' offensive plays. It was just the way that they blitz. They occasionally blitzed out of his father Buddy Ryan's fabled 4-6. They blitzed from the 3-4. They blitzed from the 4-3. They moved guys around and the Steelers' linemen had no idea where they were coming from."


[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2676816"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=2676816[/url]

[SickBoy]

[size=2]Go to our depth chart, what defensive alignment do you see???[/size]

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='Cabinny_X' post='65375' date='Sep 11 2008, 01:41 AM']I seem to remember when Rex took over the D Co position it ended up straying away from that particular distinction. To my understanding and I have heard it described as such it is a hybrid 4-3, it is never the same look really it can be any Distribution possible.

I only bring this up because I have seen so many people try to make comparisons between our D and what Dick Lebeau runs in Pitt (and while I do love his schemes and have always thought his was a genius mind)! I feel that there are too many inherent differences for the two to ever really be compared, though they are set up to do the same thing they do go about it a little differently.

I have also seen some posters making allusions to players from Pitt not being able to start on our D, and vice versa. That is just plain stupid I would take quite a few pitt players and be happy as I am sure Pitt fans would of us ( this I know for a fact since I live in hell I mean Pittsburgh)!

Just wanted to throw all that out and see what my fellow fans thoughts are.[/quote]

i would say a 3-4 defense starting in the afc north would consist of all pitt or bal players

DE Aaron Smith(plz dont pretend ngata is better)
DT Casey Hampton(plz dont pretend gregg is better)
DE Trevor Pryce

OLB James Harrison
MLB Ray Lewis
MLB Bart Scott
OLB Terell Suggs

CB Chris McAllister
CB Samuri Rolle
SS Dawan Landry(yes better than troy,troy is overrated)
FS Ed Reed

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='mcgaheewillrunyourassover' post='66246' date='Sep 14 2008, 09:22 AM']i would say a 3-4 defense starting in the afc north would consist of all pitt or bal players

[b]DE Aaron Smith(plz dont pretend ngata is better)
DT Casey Hampton(plz dont pretend gregg is better)[/b][/quote]

#1: Haloti Ngata is NOT a DE lol so you can't compare him with Aaron Smith; Ngata IS better than him anyway. #2: Kelly Gregg is THE most underrated player in the NFL, Casey Hampton is the most overweight and overrated. You would have been better served comparing Ngata with Hampton, and of course there is NO comparison, I will take Ngata every day of the week over Hampton...

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='66247' date='Sep 14 2008, 10:41 AM']#1: Haloti Ngata is NOT a DE lol so you can't compare him with Aaron Smith; Ngata IS better than him anyway. #2: Kelly Gregg is THE most underrated player in the NFL, Casey Hampton is the most overweight and overrated. You would have been better served comparing Ngata with Hampton, and of course there is NO comparison, I will take Ngata every day of the week over Hampton...[/quote]

[url="http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/depth-chart/BAL...lol"]http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/depth-chart/BAL...lol[/url] yes he is
and no hes not better than aaron smith

hampton is not overrated...and well if hes overweight and still does great id take it

smith and hampton are 2 of the best run stuffers in the NFL

[bossman419]

[quote name='mcgaheewillrunyourassover' post='66248' date='Sep 14 2008, 10:48 AM']smith and hampton are 2 of the best run stuffers in the NFL[/quote]
well ngata and gregg better
put that in your pipe and smoke it

when your that big and out of shape ie casey hampton its hard to move like they do for a full game

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='bossman419' post='66250' date='Sep 14 2008, 10:06 AM']well ngata and gregg better
put that in your pipe and smoke it

when your that big and out of shape ie casey hampton its hard to move like they do for a full game[/quote]

i dont smoke and neither should you its bad for you
ofcourse you must be smoking a joint,not a pipe because your dilusional

casey hampton has been one of the best run stuffers in the league the last 6 years and going on 7
players who get all the attention like polamalu get injured...the steelers defense is still top notch...we now know porter was made by those 2

and they get taken apart when hampton or smith go out...figure it out

[bossman419]

whats with your love affair with the stoolers all the sudden? Ngata is younger and Gregg is a bigger, faster load

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='bossman419' post='66253' date='Sep 14 2008, 10:38 AM']whats with your love affair with the stoolers all the sudden? Ngata is younger and Gregg is a bigger, faster load[/quote]

love affair with the squeelers?haha...lmfao

i said landry>polamalu...im only speaking by what ive seen

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='mcgaheewillrunyourassover' post='66248' date='Sep 14 2008, 10:48 AM'][url="http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/depth-chart/BAL...lol"]http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/depth-chart/BAL...lol[/url] yes he is
and no hes not better than aaron smith

hampton is not overrated...and well if hes overweight and still does great id take it

smith and hampton are 2 of the best run stuffers in the NFL[/quote]

OK, technically Ngata is charted as a "DE" but he is not one in the traditional sense, he IS a Defensive/Nose Tackle... Ngata is a beast, no matter where he plays (heck, he plays at LB sometimes too!)

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Players/Active/Haloti_Ngata.aspx"]http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Play...loti_Ngata.aspx[/url]

[Raven07]

i think that Our defense and the type of schemes this Ryan and this defense runs, only adds to the overall complexity of our defense, we (i think..im not 100 percent sure) run a base 4-3 defense scheme but due to the amount of athletism and athletic ability/talent, really gives us alot more options to go and run with. we've all seen throughout the course of the past few seasons (this season so far also included) that Ryan is really trying to mix it up, really make the offense one thing, only to turn around and do something that is completely the opposite.

The simple fact that we have the luxury of being able to use so so much talent and technique to our advantage, really has alot of our opponents second guessing themselves, even triple guessing themselves because, of the complexity that our defense throws right at them. Confusing the opposition into thinking one thing, meanwhile doing something completely different is something that really has this defense set apart from the opposition. we have a combination effect of multiple blitz packages, meanwhile the outside linebackers and secondary could drop back into coverage, or vice versus with the linebackers and the Safeties...the Possibilities are seemingly endless with what we want/try to do out there on the football field. This defense prides itself on its ability to confuse the opposition into believing one thing, then just do something completely different, thus is why there is almost always some sort of confusion out there on the field, and in which is a huge contributing factor in our defenses ability to make a jump on the football and either knock it down, away from the potential/intended reciever OR creating a opportunity for themselves for creating turnovers.