Chris Johnson Holds Out...

[FerrariFan87]

Per Adam Schefter:

[b]AdamSchefter Adam Schefter[/b]
By not reporting to training camp today, Titans holdout RB Chris Johnson surrendered getting an accrued season toward free agency.

My question is... why? His agents should be fired. What a stupid thing to do!!

[H8R]

He/ his agents are idiots. Plain and SIMPLE.

[PuRock]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1312900063' post='742184']
Per Adam Schefter:

[b]AdamSchefter Adam Schefter[/b]
By not reporting to training camp today, Titans holdout RB Chris Johnson surrendered getting an accrued season toward free agency.

My question is... why? His agents should be fired. What a stupid thing to do!!
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They probably didn't do enough research on the new CBA rules on lockouts. The new agreement was really strict on lockouts.

Sounds like this bit them in the arse.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1312901741' post='742224']
They probably didn't do enough research on the new CBA rules on lockouts. The new agreement was really strict on lockouts.

Sounds like this bit them in the arse.
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$30k per day held out and misses a year acquired towards free agency...super dumb!!

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312902137' post='742227']
$30k per day held out and misses a year acquired towards free agency...super dumb!!
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I'd have to believe everbody knew about the 30k. But agents might not have been informed by the NFLPA about the accrued season bit.

Well this will serve as an example. It looks like we'll have little holdouts for the next 10 years.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1312902507' post='742233']
I'd have to believe everbody knew about the 30k. But agents might not have been informed by the NFLPA about the accrued season bit.

Well this will serve as an example. It looks like we'll have little holdouts for the next 10 years.
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Trust me, they knew what was going on... now he has ZERO leverage. What a buffoon. If I'm the Titans, I don't give in to this guy, I don't care how good he thinks he is.

[Irish Raven]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1312902507' post='742233']
But agents might not have been informed by the NFLPA about the accrued season bit.

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It's common knowledge, I'm just a mere fan on the other side of the Atlantic and knew it.
It was on NFL Network last week

Aren't a lot of these agents lawyers? This one should be banned if they gave such bad advice

[BloodRaven]

If I was Chris I would just retire, he's getting screwed over anyway so he might as well screw over the Titans.

[AsianRice]

He signed 5yr contract worthed $12M and 7M guaranteed from out of the NFL draft. I think that's pretty good deal for a rookie RB. He should honor his contract and when it ends, he can sign elsewhere with much bigger contract. Holding out his contract is not a good idea right now. He'll lose more money than he earns.

If this was Mike Brown, he would let Johnson retires...lol

[ed.s52]

The RB position is the most inury prone position in the NFL. Plus, youth is much more precious now than he ever will be. If I were the Titans, I'd just give this guy a deal. They likely plan on signing him later anyway, plus considering I already lost a year towards FA there is no reason to just give up on the holdout.

If the Titans dont pay him he might actually miss gametime, and we all know that he is their only chance of going to the playoffs, considering Hasslebeck and Kenny Britt would give them much of a spectacular offense. If Johnson persists, then Javon Ringer is the feature back. The Titans dontt want that to happen.


Or, ya know, he could retire (in which case I dont think he would have to pay the fees or have the season added to his contract) and return like Ricky Williams.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I can tell you why he dont like the new coach because the new coach is buines, come in put your time in work as hard as everyone else if you dont you ride the pine

[Gtown Purple]

Just another premadona looking to land a pile of cash. You signed a contract so honor it. What kind of example are you setting for those who look up to you?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1312916439' post='742507']
Just another premadona looking to land a pile of cash. You signed a contract so honor it. What kind of example are you setting for those who look up to you?
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And he's significantly outplayed that contract. He deserves more.

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1312930572' post='742778']
And he's significantly outplayed that contract. He deserves more.
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Ya, I agree. I'm kinda surprised by some of reactions here. Life span of a good RB is til about 30. He's 25 now. He's one of the best RBs in the league and he's only being paid $2.4m/yr (according to AsianRice)???

He's barely getting paid more than Ricky Williams!

C'mon now.

[PuRock]

[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1312983781' post='743270']
Ya, I agree. I'm kinda surprised by some of reactions here. Life span of a good RB is til about 30. He's 25 now. He's one of the best RBs in the league and he's only being paid $2.4m/yr (according to AsianRice)???

He's barely getting paid more than Ricky Williams!

C'mon now.
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Last year it was worse. He was only getting 800k.

[D-Rey]

He deserves way more than he is making imo. He's one of the top HBs in the league and he is making that much, are you kidding me it should be a no brainer.

[harfordravenfan]

Perhaps contracts need to be shorter, there's something to be said about honoring a contract. By some of the comments above, it sounds like Rice would be thinking of holding out...he's getting next to nothing

[AsianRice]

I think the Titants were smart that signing CJ 5yr deal. They had already known CJ is going to be a big time blockbuster RB. If CJ knew he was going to surpass others' expectation, he should sign 3yr deal.

We signed Jimmy Smith 5yr deal, and if he turned out to be another Nnamdi, how would we feel if he's holding out his contract on his 3rd year?

However, CJ will turn 27 when his contract ends. I think he will still be young for a blockbuster contract from elsewhere. That's when he'll collect his cash.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1312930572' post='742778']
And he's significantly outplayed that contract. He deserves more.
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More like the OL outplayed it for him. The OL deserves more. Give the big guys some credit. I haven't seen his OL holdout, and I'd like to see him try to get 2000 yards without them! He doesn't even have any ground to holdout, his stats decreased from last season, did they not?

shaking my head...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313013376' post='743637']
More like the OL outplayed it for him. The OL deserves more. Give the big guys some credit. I haven't seen his OL holdout, and I'd like to see him try to get 2000 yards without them! He doesn't even have any ground to holdout, his stats decreased from last season, did they not?

shaking my head...
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His statistics decreased partly because the blocking fell off a cliff. The lack of talent around him was also a factor. Regardless, while his o-line obviously deserves a fair amount of credit in his accomplishments, CJ has been the one accelerating past defenders, making people miss and taking the punishment.

How doesn't he have any ground to holdout" when he's missed just one game in three years, and been Tennessee's only consistent playmaker?

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1313014017' post='743654']
His statistics decreased partly because the blocking fell off a cliff. The lack of talent around him was also a factor. Regardless, while his o-line obviously deserves a fair amount of credit in his accomplishments, CJ has been the one accelerating past defenders, making people miss and taking the punishment.

How doesn't he have any ground to holdout" when he's missed just one game in three years, and been Tennessee's only consistent playmaker?
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I agree, I'm just saying the FO can use that against him in negotiations. And I'd like to say, those OL take a fair amount of punishment, blocking Haloti Ngata just might be worse than being tackled by him.

I think it's rediculous that he's holding out when the guys doing the dirty work don't. That's egotistical, and not a good way to build team comraderie.


Also, it could be argued that Rice is our only true "playmaker", why hasn't he held out, afterall he did get over 2000 purpose yards 2 years ago. Just an example...

[ed.s52]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313014488' post='743667']
I agree, I'm just saying the FO can use that against him in negotiations. And I'd like to say, those OL take a fair amount of punishment, blocking Haloti Ngata just might be worse than being tackled by him.

I think it's rediculous that he's holding out when the guys doing the dirty work don't. That's egotistical, and not a good way to build team comraderie.


Also, it could be argued that Rice is our only true "playmaker", why hasn't he held out, afterall he did get over 2000 purpose yards 2 years ago. Just an example...
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Thats different, CJ has been THE top RB in the league (pretty much tied with Peterson). If you outplay your contract, I still think you should honor it and get a bigger deal when it is done, but RBs have a lot less time to make their money AND he didnt just outplay his contract, he DESTROYED his contract.

When you are getting payed like a backup, when you are one of the few to surpass 2000 yards at his age, you deserve to get payed. That said, I'm sure CJ isnt even looking for 2000 yard rusher money. Based on his situation, Im sure he'd aprreciate just Top-7 RB money, or something in that area.

If he got injured next year, what would he have to show for his arguably already HOF career?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1313014488' post='743667']
I agree, I'm just saying the FO can use that against him in negotiations. And I'd like to say, those OL take a fair amount of punishment, blocking Haloti Ngata just might be worse than being tackled by him.

I think it's rediculous that he's holding out when the guys doing the dirty work don't. That's egotistical, and not a good way to build team comraderie.


Also, it could be argued that Rice is our only true "playmaker", why hasn't he held out, afterall he did get over 2000 purpose yards 2 years ago. Just an example...
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Theoretically, they could use the decline in yards as leverage. But I'm sure the Titans know what they have in Johnson, and will lock him up.

What Johnson is doing is no different than the hundreds of players that have held out before. It's a team game, but players routinely want to be compensated fairly(by their standards) in spite of how much the players around make their jobs easier. That's the nature of the beast. A guy like DeAngelo Williams getting the contract he did from the Panthers probably got CJ's attention too.

I'd imagine Rice is sensible. I'm unaware of Tennessee's cap situation, but I doubt they're up against the cap like the Ravens are. Rice likely knows if he can produce a third big season in 2011, he'll maximize his contract.

[Gtown Purple]

If I significantly outperform my co-workers does that entitle me to a raise? if I overpay on my mortgage does that entitle me to a lower rate? In theory yes, but in reality someone else holds the cards. This is the downfall of signing a long term contract, if you outperform then you are still bound to it in terms of years.

Do I think he deserves more money, yes i do. What I have a problem with is the way he is doing it. Drawing attention to yourself is not the way I think it should be done. Things like salary should be discussed behind closed doors and not in the media. He isn't endearing himself by not being at practice either. If you want to get something out of someone you make them your friend not your enemy. He's also getting docked 30k each day he holds out and that's another day he isn't getting professional grade training and treatment. he should report to camp, get his work in and prove he is a person deserving of a big contract both as a player and a man.



[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1312930572' post='742778']
And he's significantly outplayed that contract. He deserves more.
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[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1313067856' post='744036']
If I significantly outperform my co-workers does that entitle me to a raise? if I overpay on my mortgage does that entitle me to a lower rate? In theory yes, but in reality someone else holds the cards. This is the downfall of signing a long term contract, if you outperform then you are still bound to it in terms of years.

Do I think he deserves more money, yes i do. What I have a problem with is the way he is doing it. Drawing attention to yourself is not the way I think it should be done. Things like salary should be discussed behind closed doors and not in the media. He isn't endearing himself by not being at practice either. If you want to get something out of someone you make them your friend not your enemy. He's also getting docked 30k each day he holds out and that's another day he isn't getting professional grade training and treatment. he should report to camp, get his work in and prove he is a person deserving of a big contract both as a player and a man.
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A holdout is a protest so there's really only one way of doing it, and "silently" isn't really an option.

I personally believe the Titans are a garbage organization, with every employee (even the owner) apparently doing their best impression of Steve Austin. They've got garbage personalities like Finnegan, garbage fans mouthing off as if they actually have the right, and they've got no future as a franchise.

That being said, if CJ isn't gonna win in Tennessee, he might as well get paid a bunch. Just sayin.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1313067856' post='744036']
If I significantly outperform my co-workers does that entitle me to a raise? if I overpay on my mortgage does that entitle me to a lower rate? In theory yes, but in reality someone else holds the cards. This is the downfall of signing a long term contract, if you outperform then you are still bound to it in terms of years.

Do I think he deserves more money, yes i do. What I have a problem with is the way he is doing it. Drawing attention to yourself is not the way I think it should be done. Things like salary should be discussed behind closed doors and not in the media. He isn't endearing himself by not being at practice either. If you want to get something out of someone you make them your friend not your enemy. He's also getting docked 30k each day he holds out and that's another day he isn't getting professional grade training and treatment. he should report to camp, get his work in and prove he is a person deserving of a big contract both as a player and a man.
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Johnson is still on his rookie contract, a deal he and his agent had little-to-no leverage at the negotiating table. It had to be five-year deal. At the time, signing the contract was about financial security. Now, he's demanding what he rightfully deserves.

Going about it the way you suggested would be great in a vacuum. But the reality he faces if he went that route would be getting hurt this year, and having zero leverage to negotiate a big deal in his prime.

With him turning 26 this year, this is likely the only monster contract he'll see in his NFL career. I can't blame him for playing hardball, especially when you take into account what he's done on the field up until this point.

[AsianRice]

Here is the most recent quote from Bud Adams to Chris Johnson's contract[indent]"I'm not gonna make any offer with the way he's acting. Life's too short."[/indent]
It seems to me C. Johnson might sit out for this season cuz with Fitzgerald's contract, it's tough for Chris not to compare with. Bud is hard headed man i guess so it won't be easy.


I think it is sort of big news for FF players. I might pass on him....shrug

[PuRock]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1314031668' post='759812']
Here is the most recent quote from Bud Adams to Chris Johnson's contract[indent]"I'm not gonna make any offer with the way he's acting. Life's too short."[/indent]
It seems to me C. Johnson might sit out for this season cuz with Fitzgerald's contract, it's tough for Chris not to compare with. Bud is hard headed man i guess so it won't be easy.


I think it is sort of big news for FF players. I might pass on him....shrug
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30K a day fine. Adds up quickly. Plus the Titans had rookie RBs tearing it up on the field. Advantage: Titans. Chris is going to come to his senses and have to make sacrifices.