Alternative WR Options

[ed.s52]

To was a legit #1 for Cincy last year, and he hasnt caused much drama in either Buffalo or Cincy besides their losing ways.

Definitely worth a look and at this point I'd rather have him than Mason assuming he passes a physical and comes for cheap.


Also, Antonio Bryant coming off injury would be interesting. The dude was a baller in Tampa Bay, and I really wanted him that year we traded for Anquan (thank God we didnt because we got Q for dirt cheap and Bryant was injured).

I also love the Lee Evans idea, or picking up Steve Smith.

[ed.s52]

Another thought, with the acquisition of Braylon Edwards maybe we can get Josh Morgan from the Niners?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1312592450' post='737685']
To was a legit #1 for Cincy last year, and he hasnt caused much drama in either Buffalo or Cincy besides their losing ways.

Definitely worth a look and at this point I'd rather have him than Mason assuming he passes a physical and comes for cheap.


Also, Antonio Bryant coming off injury would be interesting. The dude was a baller in Tampa Bay, and I really wanted him that year we traded for Anquan (thank God we didnt because we got Q for dirt cheap and Bryant was injured).

I also love the Lee Evans idea, or picking up Steve Smith.
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TO just had surgery....he will slower from age and injury now. No thanks!!

[Ravensfan23]

For me it's always been Mason. I didn't think he would stay unsigned this long. I thought bay Thursday's first official practice that Mason would be back, and it'd be like nothing happen.

Now I will say that Floyd would have brought something to this offense that Mason just can't, and no other player on our team has proven to be able to in the NFL, but not signing Floyd isn't that big of a deal for the Ravens.

Mason would come in and help Q with the teaching aspect of the game, for the young guys. Which Mason and Q already started with the player organized workouts.

It's funny how, 3 weeks ago, while the NFL was still in a Lockout, if someone on national TV would have said that Mason needs to be cut, because he's holding the offense back, Ravens fans would have been pissed.

However now Mason has been cut and people are starting to wrap their minds around the younger guys being thrust into larger roles, and nobody seems to want Mason anymore.

Funny how things can change in a couple weeks.

Imo there is no downfall to bring Mason back. None whatsoever. Even if Doss and Reed don't have the amount of targets they would have if Mason stayed gone, they'll still benefit from him being here. Those guys have talent, but it's still a learning process, and Mason could be huge for them in that area for one more year.

People act like if the young guys don't play this year, then they'll never play.

I'll say the same thing about Mason as I said about Floyd, the young guys will still get a great amount of exposure this season with Mason at #2. Those guys will play and learn a lot from Mason.

Mason has said that he's retiring if and when the Ravens win the Super Bowl this year, so lets get it.

[Ronthekeys]

We pretty much don't have a choice but to bring mason back. He's the only thing that's left out there. Unless yall want Housh back..

[ed.s52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312593138' post='737701']
TO just had surgery....he will slower from age and injury now. No thanks!!
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If he isn't good in camp, we'll just get rid of him. Still, the major knock on TO has been in the locker room, and the last 2 years he hasnt seemed to be much of a cancer for either of his teams, if anything he enhanced them. He's definitely worth giving a shot imo, although I'd certainly understand if the FO prefered Mase.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1312593244' post='737706']<br />For me it's always been Mason. I didn't think he would stay unsigned this long. I thought bay Thursday's first official practice that Mason would be back, and it'd be like nothing happen. <br /><br />Now I will say that Floyd would have brought something to this offense that Mason just can't, and no other player on our team has proven to be able to in the NFL, but not signing Floyd isn't that big of a deal for the Ravens. <br /><br />Mason would come in and help Q with the teaching aspect of the game, for the young guys. Which Mason and Q already started with the player organized workouts. <br /><br />It's funny how, 3 weeks ago, while the NFL was still in a Lockout, if someone on national TV would have said that Mason needs to be cut, because he's holding the offense back, Ravens fans would have been pissed. <br /><br />However now Mason has been cut and people are starting to wrap their minds around the younger guys being thrust into larger roles, and nobody seems to want Mason anymore. <br /><br />Funny how things can change in a couple weeks. <br /><br />Imo there is no downfall to bring Mason back. None whatsoever. Even if Doss and Reed don't have the amount of targets they would have if Mason stayed gone, they'll still benefit from him being here. Those guys have talent, but it's still a learning process, and Mason could be huge for them in that area for one more year. <br /><br />People act like if the young guys don't play this year, then they'll never play. <br /><br />I'll say the same thing about Mason as I said about Floyd, the young guys will still get a great amount of exposure this season with Mason at #2. Those guys will play and learn a lot from Mason. <br /><br />Mason has said that he's retiring if and when the Ravens win the Super Bowl this year, so lets get it.<br />[/quote]<br />



no doubt in my mind that Mase is coming home, where he belongs. I( ratherhave him than Floyd any day of the week.

[uhhhh]

I don't think owens will ever be a Raven. Oz and owens had a fallout when the Raven tried to trade for him. He even talked trash/lied about Oz in his book. He claimed that Ozzie used a racially offensive remark when dealing with him.

Also Harbaugh was coaching in philly when T.O. ripped that lockerroom.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

I think Mases heart really is with Baltimore. Housh would seem to be a mid season type pick up because of an injury type and not just for us. Moss has to be tempting, but I don't get the feeling he really wants to be here,or the FO wants to go that route.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='uhhhh' timestamp='1312594575' post='737732']
I don't think owens will ever be a Raven. Oz and owens had a fallout when the Raven tried to trade for him. He even talked trash/lied about Oz in his book. He claimed that Ozzie used a racially offensive remark when dealing with him.

Also Harbaugh was coaching in philly when T.O. ripped that lockerroom.
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Point taken, and Im not even suggesting we take that route but I'm just pointing out its an option. Mase already knows the offense, isnt injured, and has a history here, so I could see us taking Mase, and there is always the possibility we drag Moss our of retirement.

[uhhhh]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1312594802' post='737738']
Point taken, and Im not even suggesting we take that route but I'm just pointing out its an option. Mase already knows the offense, isnt injured, and has a history here, so I could see us taking Mase, and there is always the possibility we drag Moss our of retirement.
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Mase is probably the best option. Like you said he knows the system. As for Randy, God I hope so. I still believe that he wants to prove to people that he can still play well, but his antics might not sit well with the fans or the team.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='uhhhh' timestamp='1312595080' post='737742']
Mase is probably the best option. Like you said he knows the system. As for Randy, God I hope so. I still believe that he wants to prove to people that he can still play well, but his antics might not sit well with the fans or the team.
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I don't think he is as much of a cancer as peopel say he is, although he wasnt the nicest guy in Minnesota this year.

At this point I think all of us would love to see Moss in Purple and Black, except the few clinging on to the "he is a cancer" notion. We can just cut him if thats the case.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1312594199' post='737725']
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no doubt in my mind that Mase is coming home, where he belongs. I( ratherhave him than Floyd any day of the week.
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I actually thought if signed that Floyd would have had a larger impact on the offense this year then Mason. With his down field presence.

However Mason will have a larger impact for the Ravens as a team, and it'll last longer then 2011.

The wisdom and hands on lessons that Mason will be able to give these young guys will be priceless. Take a David Reed for example. He's in pretty much the same position as Mason when he came into the league.

Late Round draft pick, with tons of potential but forced to be more of a Kick Returner then a WR early on. Almost like the forget man. There is so much that Mason can give Reed, from a mental standpoint that a guy like Q or the coaches couldn't because they haven't been there, but Mason has.

Who better to teach these young WRs what it truly means to play like a Raven, then the guy who embodies that term, probably better then any other offensive guy we've had in history?

Who better to help develop Smith's and Reed's route running then one of the best in the NFL.

People say that Mason is Flacco's security blanket. Well guess what, with as reliable and easy to throw to as Doss sounds, he might very well feel that role for many years to come. So who better for him to learn from?

[uhhhh]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1312595305' post='737751']
I don't think he is as much of a cancer as peopel say he is, although he wasnt the nicest guy in Minnesota this year.

At this point I think all of us would love to see Moss in Purple and Black, except the few clinging on to the "he is a cancer" notion. [b]We can just cut him if thats the case.
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Well that depends on how big his contract will be and how much guaranteed money he will get. Correct me if I'm wrong. If we cut him before we payout his guaranteed part, we would be stuck with dead cap.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1312595306' post='737752']<br />I actually thought if signed that Floyd would have had a larger impact on the offense this year then Mason. With his down field presence. <br /><br />However Mason will have a larger impact for the Ravens as a team, and it'll last longer then 2011. <br /><br />The wisdom and hands on lessons that Mason will be able to give these young guys will be priceless. Take a David Reed for example. He's in pretty much the same position as Mason when he came into the league. <br /><br />Late Round draft pick, with tons of potential but forced to be more of a Kick Returner then a WR early on. Almost like the forget man. There is so much that Mason can give Reed, from a mental standpoint that a guy like Q or the coaches couldn't because they haven't been there, but Mason has. <br /><br />Who better to teach these young WRs what it truly means to play like a Raven, then the guy who embodies that term, probably better then any other offensive guy we've had in history?<br /><br />Who better to help develop Smith's and Reed's route running then one of the best in the NFL. <br /><br />People say that Mason is Flacco's security blanket. Well guess what, with as reliable and easy to throw to as Doss sounds, he might very well feel that role for many years to come. So who better for him to learn from?<br />[/quote]


i compared Reed style to Mase in his prime before, but never thought to make the connection of how Mase started out his career. Good stuff!

[ed.s52]

[quote name='uhhhh' timestamp='1312595563' post='737758']
Well that depends on how big his contract will be and how much guaranteed money he will get. Correct me if I'm wrong. If we cut him before we payout his guaranteed part, we would be stuck with dead cap.
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Based on the situation Moss is in, I doubt he'd expect much guaranteed money. If anything, I think he'd expect a smaller contract with a lot of incentives, like 1000 yards, Pro-Bowl, etc.

[uhhhh]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1312597104' post='737782']
Based on the situation Moss is in, I doubt he'd expect much guaranteed money. If anything, I think he'd expect a smaller contract with a lot of incentives, like 1000 yards, Pro-Bowl, etc.
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Sounds like a win-win situation.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='uhhhh' timestamp='1312597767' post='737794']
Sounds like a win-win situation.
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I'd be all for a Moss signing (said it even before all of this Floyd crap), but I do honestly think hes done with the game.

[Kwothdaraven]

Steve smith from the giants would be great. Injured or not he's worth it. Even if he misses a few games

[jimmysmith3]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1312592741' post='737690']
Another thought, with the acquisition of Braylon Edwards maybe we can get Josh Morgan from the Niners?
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Josh Morgan is a very interesting player because he never really lived up to his expectations in SF and he would certainly be available for cheap with the addition of Braylon. However Michael Crabtree just went down with an injury and will be out for 4-6 weeks I believe so I don't think they would be willing to deal a receiver atm. I think that would be a very good pickup because he is still young and has potential.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Definately worth watching. I still think he has alot left in the tank and an incentive ladened contract would work good for the Ravens cap space. I guess it's up to him.

[jimmysmith3]

Moss also sounds like a great option and I was hoping that we would sign him before his retirement, but Jamison Hensley reported that the Ravens have no interest in Moss. So I think that pretty much rules him out. For now at least.

[1/28/01]

I don't believe anything until LaCanfora or Schefter report it! Everyone else has been wrong too many times in the last 2-3 weeks.

[Romo Ravens]

If I was Hensley I would lay low for a while lol. Moss or nobody.

[uhhhh]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1312597937' post='737795']
I'd be all for a Moss signing (said it even before all of this Floyd crap), but I do honestly think hes done with the game.
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I still hope not, but if that's the case we will sign Mase. He has just too much of a connection with this team and Joe. Plus he wil be our nr. 2 WR, instead of being the nr. 3 for the jets.

This will be his last year, I believe. It's just not logical going to another team and start over again, learning their system, getting in sync with their qb etc.

[Purple Punishment]

You know, alot of teams start their rookies. Percy Harvin, Pierre Garcon, Steve Smith, are just a few to name. We need to rid ourselves of this fear of putting our rookies out there and making them work. These kids have played football for more than one day in their lives. Let them take their stumbles. Besides, I think we are going to a more balanced or almost balanced offense concentrating on the run. That will give our young guys an advantage on play action pass because teams are going to be looking for us to pound the rock

[Ravens24WBey]

I can't understand why the all-pro/hall of fame receivers don't want to play in Baltimore. Years ago, it was T.O.....Now, Randy Moss would rather retire than come to our team and have a shot at the SuperBowl. Hmmm....I find it interesting that no one has mentioned us making a move for Randy. Hall of Fame numbers and touchdown production alone should have us starting a Moss Watch in Bmore. I love D.Mason and think he's great, but we haven't beat Pittsburgh when it counted with him. I think Randy would come here and give Flacco an excellent target opposite of Anquan, but like any other position issue....it's just a matter of $$$$$! I say let's persuade Randy out of retirement...we beat Pittsburgh and win a SuperBowl.

[scrock]

I haven't read through this entire thread but I'll go ahead and say ideally we sign Mason back and the young guys step up. We have speed now so its not going to be like last year when no one could get separation. At the same time if Mason doesn't come back there are still ways to acquire a veteran WR, like make a trade as we did for Josh Wilson last year for a fifth round pick.

Obviously we will pick up another WR, I think Harbaugh made that clear today, even though he likes what he's seen from the young guys.

Doss is impressing as is Torrey, and once David Reed is off PUP with his wrist injury I think he's going to be a playmaker, he just seems like a football player to me. Last year in the run game he showed once he gets the ball he can make things happen.

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravens24WBey' timestamp='1312599029' post='737818']
I can't understand why the all-pro/hall of fame receivers don't want to play in Baltimore. Years ago, it was T.O.....Now, Randy Moss would rather retire than come to our team and have a shot at the SuperBowl. Hmmm....I find it interesting that no one has mentioned us making a move for Randy. Hall of Fame numbers and touchdown production alone should have us starting a Moss Watch in Bmore. I love D.Mason and think he's great, but we haven't beat Pittsburgh when it counted with him. I think Randy would come here and give Flacco an excellent target opposite of Anquan, but like any other position issue....it's just a matter of $$$$$! I say let's persuade Randy out of retirement...we beat Pittsburgh and win a SuperBowl.
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Did you watch Moss last year? The only team he cares about is New England and once they shipped him out he looked like crap. He's not the young Randy anymore, he's not going to blow past any good CB anymore.

Let him retire

[1/28/01]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1312599238' post='737820']
Did you watch Moss last year? The only team he cares about is New England and once they shipped him out he looked like crap. He's not the young Randy anymore, he's not going to blow past any good CB anymore.

Let him retire
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In all fairness, he smoked Revis last year!